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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,383 Views)
adammce
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Welcome to Brendan Rodgers btw.
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Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
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jezmos
13 Jul 2016, 04:21 AM
Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
Mibee he knows he has better players on the bench
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13 Jul 2016, 12:26 AM
After Jock Stein took over as manager on 10th March 1965 our results included a 1-0 defeat at home to St Johnstone, 4-2 loss at home to Hibs, 6-2 loss away to Falkirk & 2-1 defeat at home to Thistle. I think I'll leave the knee-jerk reactions for now. He did of course win the Scottish Cup against Dunfermline. If we qualify for the Champions League, Brendan will have won his Scottish Cup.
7 players who played against StJohnstone went on to win the European cup under the big man ,
he got his message into them and they bought into his way of football ,do yo honestly see 7 of
that team last night buying into Brendan's way of playing ,for me he has to be ruthless and start his cull now,this mob have already seen off RD it will be no skin off their noses if they did the same to Brendan.
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Didn't attempt to change anything. The subs were straight swaps.

I don't blame him for bringing on Forrest or starting with Ambrose because that's the squad he's got but he needs to realise these players need a kick up the arse not a confidence boost, or some nice man telling them it'll all be ok.

EDIT: most important of all though, if he wants to play Dembele, he needs to find a way of playing both him and Griffiths together not with one wide. Which means going two up top. I don't career if it's 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 or if faiths can't play wide. He's just score 40 goals in a season ffs!
Edited by Hagi Bhoy, 13 Jul 2016, 06:29 AM.
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His team selection next week will dictate his strength of mind and purpose. Regardless of the result next week if he plays Brown, Bitton and Ambrose he's weak and the players will know it.

We don't have the players for 433. For someone who showed as much tactical flexibility as he did at Liverpool this surprises me.

If you're not going to accommodate Roberts, who must have got on Brendan's bad side real quick, then there is no need to even attempt it as we don't have anyone capable of playing wide left at all without getting into the idiocy of taking Griffiths from up top to play out right (Roberts spot - he's lost Roberts by doing so and I'm sure the players smell shampooe when Griffiths is pushed out to make way for Dembele. More system before players actual abilities a la Diela)

Play either a diamond 442 like he did with Liverpool or a 352 and get Griffiths and Dembele up top playing together.

Ambrose can be replaced with Ajer, he seemed composed enough on tour and has the ability to step forward into midfield and make a forward pass.

Bitton's holding role goes to either Allan or Armstrong. We need someone who wants to effing play football and can show a burst of pace to skip past one player and make an angle for a pass.

Brown you replace with MacGregor. He's done.
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Early stages, but Rodgers could be a Delia MK 2.
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jezmos
13 Jul 2016, 04:21 AM
Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
Yet we hit the bar twice, their goalie pulled off a couple of good saves, the pitch was horrendous and the weather didn't suit.
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13 Jul 2016, 06:58 AM
jezmos
13 Jul 2016, 04:21 AM
Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
Yet we hit the bar twice, their goalie pulled off a couple of good saves, the pitch was horrendous and the weather didn't suit.
Lennoxtown has an artificial pitch. They've all been abroad for a fortnight. They were playing literal amateurs in some cases.
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13 Jul 2016, 07:00 AM
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13 Jul 2016, 06:58 AM
jezmos
13 Jul 2016, 04:21 AM
Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
Yet we hit the bar twice, their goalie pulled off a couple of good saves, the pitch was horrendous and the weather didn't suit.
Lennoxtown has an artificial pitch. They've all been abroad for a fortnight. They were playing literal amateurs in some cases.
The pitch looked in far worse nick than Toryglen, never mind Lennoxtown. Can't argue with the rest.

If he persists with Brown/Bitton, he's going to have a rotten time.

It was fun trying to explain to the burd just how bad a result it was :lol:
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13 Jul 2016, 07:00 AM
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13 Jul 2016, 06:58 AM
jezmos
13 Jul 2016, 04:21 AM
Really don't see how he can say he's 'seen enough' to know that we'll go through. We saw no quality in that game whatsoever.
Yet we hit the bar twice, their goalie pulled off a couple of good saves, the pitch was horrendous and the weather didn't suit.
Lennoxtown has an artificial pitch. They've all been abroad for a fortnight. They were playing literal amateurs in some cases.
All artificial pictures aren't the same and this one seemed to be particularly bad.

Not making excuses for a terrible performance but I expect (hope) it will be different in the return.
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powerbhoy
13 Jul 2016, 06:53 AM
His team selection next week will dictate his strength of mind and purpose. Regardless of the result next week if he plays Brown, Bitton and Ambrose he's weak and the players will know it.

We don't have the players for 433. For someone who showed as much tactical flexibility as he did at Liverpool this surprises me.

If you're not going to accommodate Roberts, who must have got on Brendan's bad side real quick, then there is no need to even attempt it as we don't have anyone capable of playing wide left at all without getting into the idiocy of taking Griffiths from up top to play out right (Roberts spot - he's lost Roberts by doing so and I'm sure the players smell shampooe when Griffiths is pushed out to make way for Dembele. More system before players actual abilities a la Diela)

Play either a diamond 442 like he did with Liverpool or a 352 and get Griffiths and Dembele up top playing together.

Ambrose can be replaced with Ajer, he seemed composed enough on tour and has the ability to step forward into midfield and make a forward pass.

Bitton's holding role goes to either Allan or Armstrong. We need someone who wants to effing play football and can show a burst of pace to skip past one player and make an angle for a pass.

Brown you replace with MacGregor. He's done.
Nail on head.

Diamond 4-4-2 suits what we have at our disposal for the time being.

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Lustig-----Ajer------Sviatchenko----Tierney

---------------------McGregor

------Armstrong--------------Henderson

-----------------------Rogic

----------------Dembele-------Griffiths


Janko isn't good enough get Lustig in as he's only one we have.
Ambrose shouldn't play so Ajer will have to do for now.
McGregor, Henderson & Armstrong are at least mobile.
Two strikers give you a chance of scoring goals.

If he wants to sign wide players and change the formation then so be it but for time being guys like Ambrose, Bitton, Brown, Johansen etc should be dropped.
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All this chat about - "When Jock Stein started his Celtic career" - FFS! Rodgers isn't Jock Stein. He's never likely to be Jock Stein. We aren't playing in the 1960s where 14 local laddies became a legendary group of players. We are playing in a horrendously poor league, at a club with (relative to any other league in the world) zero inward investment on the playing stock and a squad that is 85% made up of journeymen and ne'er do wells. Can someone actually tell me who they'd keep from the current squad?

I'd take Tierney, Griff, Lustig, (maybe) Rogic and Roberts and he's ours for 6 months. Everyone else is wholly dispensable.
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Celticbhoy_07
13 Jul 2016, 07:12 AM
powerbhoy
13 Jul 2016, 06:53 AM
His team selection next week will dictate his strength of mind and purpose. Regardless of the result next week if he plays Brown, Bitton and Ambrose he's weak and the players will know it.

We don't have the players for 433. For someone who showed as much tactical flexibility as he did at Liverpool this surprises me.

If you're not going to accommodate Roberts, who must have got on Brendan's bad side real quick, then there is no need to even attempt it as we don't have anyone capable of playing wide left at all without getting into the idiocy of taking Griffiths from up top to play out right (Roberts spot - he's lost Roberts by doing so and I'm sure the players smell shampooe when Griffiths is pushed out to make way for Dembele. More system before players actual abilities a la Diela)

Play either a diamond 442 like he did with Liverpool or a 352 and get Griffiths and Dembele up top playing together.

Ambrose can be replaced with Ajer, he seemed composed enough on tour and has the ability to step forward into midfield and make a forward pass.

Bitton's holding role goes to either Allan or Armstrong. We need someone who wants to effing play football and can show a burst of pace to skip past one player and make an angle for a pass.

Brown you replace with MacGregor. He's done.
Nail on head.

Diamond 4-4-2 suits what we have at our disposal for the time being.

-------------------Gordon

Lustig-----Ajer------Sviatchenko----Tierney

---------------------McGregor

------Armstrong--------------Henderson

-----------------------Rogic

----------------Dembele-------Griffiths


Janko isn't good enough get Lustig in as he's only one we have.
Ambrose shouldn't play so Ajer will have to do for now.
McGregor, Henderson & Armstrong are at least mobile.
Two strikers give you a chance of scoring goals.

If he wants to sign wide players and change the formation then so be it but for time being guys like Ambrose, Bitton, Brown, Johansen etc should be dropped.
That midfield is shocking.
What's worse is that it is probably not the worst we could field.

We need signings.
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13 Jul 2016, 07:17 AM
All this chat about - "When Jock Stein started his Celtic career" - FFS! Rodgers isn't Jock Stein. He's never likely to be Jock Stein. We aren't playing in the 1960s where 14 local laddies became a legendary group of players. We are playing in a horrendously poor league, at a club with (relative to any other league in the world) zero inward investment on the playing stock and a squad that is 85% made up of journeymen and ne'er do wells. Can someone actually tell me who they'd keep from the current squad?

I'd take Tierney, Griff, Lustig, (maybe) Rogic and Roberts and he's ours for 6 months. Everyone else is wholly dispensable.
Roberts is here till the summer.
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Needs to show some balls.

Get rid of Ambrose, Bitton,Brown, Johansen, Forrest.

Start to play players in their right positions or drop them.
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Right, Brendan.

Last night I was angry. Having slept on it I'm still a little pissed off but I'm fairly certain you know what needs to be done. We all do, it's painfully obvious.

We have a very good influx of young talented players at the club. As the 7-0 thrashing of Motherwell at the end of last season proved. (Fisher; McCart; Ajer; Tierney; Henderson; Christie; McGregor; Roberts; Rogic; Aitchison. Here's what you need to do Brendan, play them.

Build the squad around them, give the armband to Sviatchenko who along with Armstromg, Griffiths and Dembele are the only senior players I would keep around. Maybe Simunovic as he is still unproven and cost a lot of money.

All the aforementioned players along with 3 or 4 new bodies who can come in and make a difference straight away.

For the love of god stop playing Bitton Brown Johansen and Ambrose ahead of these guys.

Stop giving wasters like Forrest and Ciftci game time when we know they aren't good enough.

Look to sell as many of these guys as possible. Be ruthless.

I'm sure you know this is what you have to do Brendan. You've came in and we all have put our faith in you. Please re-pay us and work your magic with this squad.
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13 Jul 2016, 07:54 AM
Right, Brendan.

Last night I was angry. Having slept on it I'm still a little pissed off but I'm fairly certain you know what needs to be done. We all do, it's painfully obvious.

We have a very good influx of young talented players at the club. As the 7-0 thrashing of Motherwell at the end of last season proved. (Fisher; McCart; Ajer; Tierney; Henderson; Christie; McGregor; Roberts; Rogic; Aitchison. Here's what you need to do Brendan, play them.

Build the squad around them, give the armband to Sviatchenko who along with Armstromg, Griffiths and Dembele are the only senior players I would keep around. Maybe Simunovic as he is still unproven and cost a lot of money.

All the aforementioned players along with 3 or 4 new bodies who can come in and make a difference straight away.

For the love of god stop playing Bitton Brown Johansen and Ambrose ahead of these guys.

Stop giving wasters like Forrest and Ciftci game time when we know they aren't good enough.

Look to sell as many of these guys as possible. Be ruthless.

I'm sure you know this is what you have to do Brendan. You've came in and we all have put our faith in you. Please re-pay us and work your magic with this squad.
Fisher wasn't a guaranteed starter at St Johnstone, and when he has featured for us has looked decidedly average.
Has McCart ever played for us?
Having a 16 year old in your side on a regular basis isn't a great idea.

That Motherwell game was Armstrong's only decent performance in the last 12 months.

We need to sign proven talents.
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13 Jul 2016, 08:02 AM
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13 Jul 2016, 07:54 AM
Right, Brendan.

Last night I was angry. Having slept on it I'm still a little pissed off but I'm fairly certain you know what needs to be done. We all do, it's painfully obvious.

We have a very good influx of young talented players at the club. As the 7-0 thrashing of Motherwell at the end of last season proved. (Fisher; McCart; Ajer; Tierney; Henderson; Christie; McGregor; Roberts; Rogic; Aitchison. Here's what you need to do Brendan, play them.

Build the squad around them, give the armband to Sviatchenko who along with Armstromg, Griffiths and Dembele are the only senior players I would keep around. Maybe Simunovic as he is still unproven and cost a lot of money.

All the aforementioned players along with 3 or 4 new bodies who can come in and make a difference straight away.

For the love of god stop playing Bitton Brown Johansen and Ambrose ahead of these guys.

Stop giving wasters like Forrest and Ciftci game time when we know they aren't good enough.

Look to sell as many of these guys as possible. Be ruthless.

I'm sure you know this is what you have to do Brendan. You've came in and we all have put our faith in you. Please re-pay us and work your magic with this squad.
Fisher wasn't a guaranteed starter at St Johnstone, and when he has featured for us has looked decidedly average.
Has McCart ever played for us?
Having a 16 year old in your side on a regular basis isn't a great idea.

That Motherwell game was Armstrong's only decent performance in the last 12 months.

We need to sign proven talents.
Although I'm sure not many would complain, it's not feasible to literally punt our entire squad.

The players you singled out at least have the chance of salvaging a career at Celtic. I think the time has passed for Brown Ambrose Bitton Forrest & Johansen etc to do the same.'

Completely agree with your last sentence, we need guys to come in and work alongside the younger players.
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I'm hoping the lack of activity has been down to Rodgers being out of the country for 3 weeks and now they are back he'll properly put the pressure on Lawwell and Desmond.

The squad badly needs investment, but we should have been skooshing that last night. Rodgers is supposed to be able to adapt to conditions, but why were we playing tippy tappy pish on a pitch that resembled a school playground? I remember way back to MON at Dunfermline, we went there for the first time and the ball barely touched the deck and we scored 4 goals. We should have been crossing the ball into Dembele constantly, but he barely saw it.

He must know by now the guys he needs rid of and we need at least 3 in by the end of the month, with another couple in time (hopefully) for the final qualifier. Hopefully now with the travelling done for at least a fortnight we will see that movement.
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