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Kristoffer Ajer; Signs new 4 year contract.
Topic Started: 15 Feb 2016, 05:48 PM (243,408 Views)
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23 Jan 2018, 11:24 PM
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23 Jan 2018, 11:19 PM
Ajer will improve with Compper, a double whammy.
do you think boyata is going to be dropped? pretty clear he is brendans first pick and hes said it often enough no matter what any of us thinks
To make the Club's strategy & Brendan's also stated often enough approach worthwhile, he needs to play beside an experienced CB, who can bring him on & talk him through games.
Compper is clearly being brought in to do that, by my view.

Ajer was scouted & brought in, when other club's were also interested. If we are going to be able to get young guys of his quality in, then we need to develop & bring them on.
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remy mcswain
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23 Jan 2018, 11:26 PM
Still improving. He will become a class CB during the next 2 seasons.
You are asking fans on a message board to curtail their need to lambast for two whole seasons ? Are you mental ?
He is too slow to be a quality centre half.

That moment when Sammon ran him down the line said every thing.

He’s not too bad facing the ball but turn him and he’s toast.
It doesn't really say it all because positioning and intelligence can prevent a defender getting done.We all know examples of top class defenders who haven't been inherently quick so writing him off on the basis of that variable which can be remedied with experience doesn't really work for me.
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23 Jan 2018, 11:42 PM
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Hairytoes
23 Jan 2018, 11:19 PM
Ajer will improve with Compper, a double whammy.
do you think boyata is going to be dropped? pretty clear he is brendans first pick and hes said it often enough no matter what any of us thinks
To make the Club's strategy & Brendan's also stated often enough approach worthwhile, he needs to play beside an experienced CB, who can bring him on & talk him through games.
Compper is clearly being brought in to do that, by my view.

Ajer was scouted & brought in, when other club's were also interested. If we are going to be able to get young guys of his quality in, then we need to develop & bring them on.
just dont see boyata being dropped though. maybe later in the season if he keeps refusing a new deal
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Pace is his major downfall but for 19/20year old he is doing well.

Positioning is pretty good and confidence seems high...can only get better with games.

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He is too slow to be a quality centre half.

That moment when Sammon ran him down the line said every thing.

He’s not too bad facing the ball but turn him and he’s toast.
It doesn't really say it all because positioning and intelligence can prevent a defender getting done.We all know examples of top class defenders who haven't been inherently quick so writing him off on the basis of that variable which can be remedied with experience doesn't really work for me.
He is too slow to get that experience in that position though. How many times do you take him getting burned before he gets the hang of it?
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To make the Club's strategy & Brendan's also stated often enough approach worthwhile, he needs to play beside an experienced CB, who can bring him on & talk him through games.
Compper is clearly being brought in to do that, by my view.

Ajer was scouted & brought in, when other club's were also interested. If we are going to be able to get young guys of his quality in, then we need to develop & bring them on.
just dont see boyata being dropped though. maybe later in the season if he keeps refusing a new deal
I know mate, really hard to tell - especially with Moussa just now.

If we want this strategy to work out, we really need to work it in the right way & that's obviously really hard.

Ajer/Compper makes the most sense to me anyway - especially when considering the bigger picture of Boyata not re-signing & Ajer needing to develop.

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It doesn't really say it all because positioning and intelligence can prevent a defender getting done.We all know examples of top class defenders who haven't been inherently quick so writing him off on the basis of that variable which can be remedied with experience doesn't really work for me.
He is too slow to get that experience in that position though. How many times do you take him getting burned before he gets the hang of it?
And as we all know, you can't coach pace...
Especially when you're a dedicated athlete, who's clearly spent ages in the gym working on his Club's specific programme.
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Had a stinker. Lost most of his headers until the second half. Lost the ball a few times and seemed to go into his shell for a while. Beaten for pace by Connor Sammon.
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He is too slow to get that experience in that position though. How many times do you take him getting burned before he gets the hang of it?
And as we all know, you can't coach pace...
Especially when you're a dedicated athlete, who's clearly spent ages in the gym working on his Club's specific programme.
If you are referring to what I posted a couple of weeks ago; that was taken completely out of context and I was given a holiday with no right of reply. At no point did I say pace couldn't be improved. Of course it can. But you will never coach pace into someone who doesn't have any. You will never make a slow player fast. Improvements are always going to be marginal. That was what I said and I stand by that a million per cent.
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23 Jan 2018, 11:24 PM
Bullied, out jumped and out paced by Connor Sammon. Worrying.

Passing in first half wasn’t great either.

If he’s going to be a centre half, he needs to learn quickly.
This. One point early in the second half Sammon easily outpaced him then bullies him off the ball.

Though he did look more secure in a back three.

There a very long road for him still to go but there are positive signs. But we should not be putting the responsibility of Zenit on his shoulders just yet.
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And as we all know, you can't coach pace...
Especially when you're a dedicated athlete, who's clearly spent ages in the gym working on his Club's specific programme.
If you are referring to what I posted a couple of weeks ago; that was taken completely out of context and I was given a holiday with no right of reply. At no point did I say pace couldn't be improved. Of course it can. But you will never coach pace into someone who doesn't have any. You will never make a slow player fast. Improvements are always going to be marginal. That was what I said and I stand by that a million per cent.
He'll never be fast, but he can get faster.
He seems to listen to coaches very well & has his own programme which he works his arse on.

People holding his pace against him are unfair, he's a big lad & has a great future.
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If you are referring to what I posted a couple of weeks ago; that was taken completely out of context and I was given a holiday with no right of reply. At no point did I say pace couldn't be improved. Of course it can. But you will never coach pace into someone who doesn't have any. You will never make a slow player fast. Improvements are always going to be marginal. That was what I said and I stand by that a million per cent.
He'll never be fast, but he can get faster.
He seems to listen to coaches very well & has his own programme which he works his arse on.

People holding his pace against him are unfair, he's a big lad & has a great future.
I agree. I honestly never said any different. I explained this in two subsequent posts which were binned. I'm not daft enough to believe you can do nothing with pace, full stop. Of course you can. Even top sprinters have coaches. All I was saying is that all the coaching in the world can not make a slow player quick. Improvements in this area are going to be minor. I think Ajer lacks pace over a couple of yards. With that frame he is going to. But I also think he can make up for this in time with experience and know how.
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He'll never be fast, but he can get faster.
He seems to listen to coaches very well & has his own programme which he works his arse on.

People holding his pace against him are unfair, he's a big lad & has a great future.
I agree. I honestly never said any different. I explained this in two subsequent posts which were binned. I'm not daft enough to believe you can do nothing with pace, full stop. Of course you can. Even top sprinters have coaches. All I was saying is that all the coaching in the world can not make a slow player quick. Improvements in this area are going to be minor. I think Ajer lacks pace over a couple of yards. With that frame he is going to. But I also think he can make up for this in time with experience and know how.
Absolutely, he has the dedication & attitude to back up all the coaching too.

I hope we stick with him, he's only going to learn quicker & the other 2 seem to want away allegedly :ph43r: .
Compper should bring him on even quicker, going by comments from himself & Brendan.
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If he can learn the positional aspects of the game and pick up experience at dealing in these situations his lack of pace isn't that big a deal; Van Buyten didn't do too badly. I'd still have him ahead of Jozo and Boyata right now.
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He'll never be fast, but he can get faster.
He seems to listen to coaches very well & has his own programme which he works his arse on.

People holding his pace against him are unfair, he's a big lad & has a great future.
I agree. I honestly never said any different. I explained this in two subsequent posts which were binned. I'm not daft enough to believe you can do nothing with pace, full stop. Of course you can. Even top sprinters have coaches. All I was saying is that all the coaching in the world can not make a slow player quick. Improvements in this area are going to be minor. I think Ajer lacks pace over a couple of yards. With that frame he is going to. But I also think he can make up for this in time with experience and know how.
Aye ye did. "You will never develop pace."
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Since signing Compper, a lefty, Boyata has played every game on the right side after playing on the other since re-breaking in to the side. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't those two for the rest of this season anyway.
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I agree. I honestly never said any different. I explained this in two subsequent posts which were binned. I'm not daft enough to believe you can do nothing with pace, full stop. Of course you can. Even top sprinters have coaches. All I was saying is that all the coaching in the world can not make a slow player quick. Improvements in this area are going to be minor. I think Ajer lacks pace over a couple of yards. With that frame he is going to. But I also think he can make up for this in time with experience and know how.
Aye ye did. "You will never develop pace."
Yes. And 'develop' was taken completely out of context. :thumbsup: By develop I meant pace could not be coached into someone who didn't have any; not the perfectly obvious statement that pace can be improved. It's really simple. Slow players can not be turned into quick players no matter how long you spend on coaching. You can make marginal improvements but that is all they will ever be. In Anthony Ralston's case (who was the player under discussion) a lack of pace is always going to be an issue. It can't be coached out of him. Improved slightly, yes. Eradicated - never. :thumbsup:
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We should persist with this kid, there's a player in there and it could take a season or two to come out. He's still learning and will make mistakes but he has the bottle to take players on and set up moves. I like him and we should give him our backing and support.
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It doesn't really say it all because positioning and intelligence can prevent a defender getting done.We all know examples of top class defenders who haven't been inherently quick so writing him off on the basis of that variable which can be remedied with experience doesn't really work for me.
He is too slow to get that experience in that position though. How many times do you take him getting burned before he gets the hang of it?
I remember Derek Whyte,he was quick but got more pish with experience.Not as long as that.
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Had a stinker today but the boy is still learning and will make mistakes. Hope compper beside him will help eventually.
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