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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,563 Views)
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suzieghirl10
8 Jul 2018, 11:23 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 09:55 PM
Surely they had a fee agreed before he arranged a 80k a week deal....
This. And they don't keep playing the guy in friendlies. File under shampooe.
Players and their agents agree deals with clubs before a fee is agreed all the time these days.
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All that matters is that he is staying and if Brown is out he will get the armband tomorrow.
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I have absolutely no specific knowledge of the Tierney situation, but I was chatting to a friend over the weekend who has had plenty of dealings with transfers. His take on it was the situation was entirely driven by agents looking to make money. He explained that it probably unfolded as follows:

1. Agent approaches potential buyer (ie club looking for a LB) and establishes interest and likely outline personal terms.
2. Buying club leaks interest to media to unsettle player.
3. Agent informs current club of likely terms and that player is unsettled and interested in moving.
4. Agent tells player there is interest and club are willing to sell.

Essentially, the agent plays club off against player.

Could be rubbish in this scenario of course, but it seems plausible. My friend suggests the reason it didn’t go anywhere here is that neither Tierney or Celtic blinked.
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corsica1968
9 Jul 2018, 09:12 AM
I have absolutely no specific knowledge of the Tierney situation, but I was chatting to a friend over the weekend who has had plenty of dealings with transfers. His take on it was the situation was entirely driven by agents looking to make money. He explained that it probably unfolded as follows:

1. Agent approaches potential buyer (ie club looking for a LB) and establishes interest and likely outline personal terms.
2. Buying club leaks interest to media to unsettle player.
3. Agent informs current club of likely terms and that player is unsettled and interested in moving.
4. Agent tells player there is interest and club are willing to sell.

Essentially, the agent plays club off against player.

Could be rubbish in this scenario of course, but it seems plausible. My friend suggests the reason it didn’t go anywhere here is that neither Tierney or Celtic blinked.
Sounds about right
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9 Jul 2018, 09:14 AM
corsica1968
9 Jul 2018, 09:12 AM
I have absolutely no specific knowledge of the Tierney situation, but I was chatting to a friend over the weekend who has had plenty of dealings with transfers. His take on it was the situation was entirely driven by agents looking to make money. He explained that it probably unfolded as follows:

1. Agent approaches potential buyer (ie club looking for a LB) and establishes interest and likely outline personal terms.
2. Buying club leaks interest to media to unsettle player.
3. Agent informs current club of likely terms and that player is unsettled and interested in moving.
4. Agent tells player there is interest and club are willing to sell.

Essentially, the agent plays club off against player.

Could be rubbish in this scenario of course, but it seems plausible. My friend suggests the reason it didn’t go anywhere here is that neither Tierney or Celtic blinked.
Sounds about right
I like this :)

Poster back up on the wall.
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If Everton made an offer of £25m it seems we are holding out for a bid circa of £30m minimum, not to mention I’d imagine a hefty sell on clause, but regardless of the fee I’d rather keep him.
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corsica1968
9 Jul 2018, 09:12 AM
I have absolutely no specific knowledge of the Tierney situation, but I was chatting to a friend over the weekend who has had plenty of dealings with transfers. His take on it was the situation was entirely driven by agents looking to make money. He explained that it probably unfolded as follows:

1. Agent approaches potential buyer (ie club looking for a LB) and establishes interest and likely outline personal terms.
2. Buying club leaks interest to media to unsettle player.
3. Agent informs current club of likely terms and that player is unsettled and interested in moving.
4. Agent tells player there is interest and club are willing to sell.

Essentially, the agent plays club off against player.

Could be rubbish in this scenario of course, but it seems plausible. My friend suggests the reason it didn’t go anywhere here is that neither Tierney or Celtic blinked.
This seems the most likely scenario :thumbsup:
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Rodgers said he expects this to rumble on for the rest of the transfer window.

Just because Everton have seemingly decided against making a bid just now doesn't mean they wont be back in next week. Clubs will try all sorts of tactics to drive the price down.

If posters wanted to make up a transfer rumour to appear ITK then it makes no sense to pick Tierney.
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You could make up a rumour about Jozo and you wouldn't get the same reaction though.

Players have to take more responsibility over their agents as well.

If you want an agent remember he works for you and the way he best gets paid isn't necessarily by looking after your interests.

Fecking scourge on the game doing nothing but taking money out of football.
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corsica1968
9 Jul 2018, 09:12 AM
I have absolutely no specific knowledge of the Tierney situation, but I was chatting to a friend over the weekend who has had plenty of dealings with transfers. His take on it was the situation was entirely driven by agents looking to make money. He explained that it probably unfolded as follows:

1. Agent approaches potential buyer (ie club looking for a LB) and establishes interest and likely outline personal terms.
2. Buying club leaks interest to media to unsettle player.
3. Agent informs current club of likely terms and that player is unsettled and interested in moving.
4. Agent tells player there is interest and club are willing to sell.

Essentially, the agent plays club off against player.

Could be rubbish in this scenario of course, but it seems plausible. My friend suggests the reason it didn’t go anywhere here is that neither Tierney or Celtic blinked.
I met my pal on the train this morning who also knows a leading agent and he said the exact same thing.'......

He also said though that Celtic have lined up 4 players, 2 of whom from his mates "stable" on the back of the fee. Celtic are holding off as they're waiting for CL qualification but if they sell Tierney then they'll buy earlier.
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8 Jul 2018, 09:29 PM
The InTheKnowers is a new Channel 4 comedy series about 4 online KDS Celtic Da's, who ain't quite cool enough for the Huddleboard, but not quite sad enough for CQN*. The characters are

- Sean: comes from a middle class background. He's less intelligent than he likes to think and spends most of his time wittering on about UEFA coefficients, pointless statistics, and various other bits and pieces that no one else gives a shampoo about.

- Thomas: the 'know it all' of the group, or so he thinks. Constantly invents transfer rumours so that people think he's got contacts at the club. Pretends he's there home and away, week in, week out - when his posting history suggests he's always just at home in front of his computer. Once had a trial with Celtic, but was asked by Henrik Larsson not to come back as he was showing everyone up.

- Peter: The social media addict. Posts relentlessly on Twitter, Facebook, the Forums, everywhere - but usually about Rangers. Obsessed with one particular celtic supporting twitter babe, Bernadette, who he stalks follows closely online.

- Michael: Not the sharpest tool in the box, Michael is the only one who believes Thomas' transfer rumours, and will defend them well beyond the point that the player signs a 10 year contract with Juventus. Constantly teased that he's so slow and gullible that he should be a Rangers fan. Still has a freezer full of ice cream.

Tune in to episode 1 - much hilarity ensues when the Da's travel to Easter Road for a game and Michael forgets the tickets. The Da's suggest to Thomas that he uses his friendship with Neil Lennon to get them into the stadium. But did Thomas really teach Neil Lennon everything he knows about football management through co-op games of Football Manager, as he claims?

*note: no offence to CQN. I just needed another celtic site, and since it couldn't be the prawn sandwich loving KDS, I went for you.
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9 Jul 2018, 12:01 AM
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8 Jul 2018, 11:36 PM

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Aye, well terms weren’t agreed with Celtic. So if Everton thought they “had” KT, they’re pretty stupid.
Agents are well aware of the numbers. They have an idea of what the club wants and what their client wants. They inform the potential buyer of what those are. The buyer checks with the accountants, good to go, they approach the selling club and its higher than what they had expected. No deal.
If that's what happened here, then the agent wasn't well aware of the numbers.

My point is simply that if Everton thought they "had Tierney" (according to ballbhoy) but had not agreed a fee with Celtic, then Everton are pretty stupid.
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Agents are well aware of the numbers. They have an idea of what the club wants and what their client wants. They inform the potential buyer of what those are. The buyer checks with the accountants, good to go, they approach the selling club and its higher than what they had expected. No deal.
If that's what happened here, then the agent wasn't well aware of the numbers.

My point is simply that if Everton thought they "had Tierney" (according to ballbhoy) but had not agreed a fee with Celtic, then Everton are pretty stupid.
They probably thought we'd crumble at anything over 20m.
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Agents are well aware of the numbers. They have an idea of what the club wants and what their client wants. They inform the potential buyer of what those are. The buyer checks with the accountants, good to go, they approach the selling club and its higher than what they had expected. No deal.
If that's what happened here, then the agent wasn't well aware of the numbers.

My point is simply that if Everton thought they "had Tierney" (according to ballbhoy) but had not agreed a fee with Celtic, then Everton are pretty stupid.
I think you're splitting hairs. If a players agent has no idea what his client is worth in transfer fees he shouldn't be an agent.

That a selling club either ramps that up or burdens the deal with extraneous add-ons can't be predicted.
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8 Jul 2018, 09:29 PM
The InTheKnowers is a new Channel 4 comedy series about 4 online KDS Celtic Da's, who ain't quite cool enough for the Huddleboard, but not quite sad enough for CQN*. The characters are

- Sean: comes from a middle class background. He's less intelligent than he likes to think and spends most of his time wittering on about UEFA coefficients, pointless statistics, and various other bits and pieces that no one else gives a shampoo about.

- Thomas: the 'know it all' of the group, or so he thinks. Constantly invents transfer rumours so that people think he's got contacts at the club. Pretends he's there home and away, week in, week out - when his posting history suggests he's always just at home in front of his computer. Once had a trial with Celtic, but was asked by Henrik Larsson not to come back as he was showing everyone up.

- Peter: The social media addict. Posts relentlessly on Twitter, Facebook, the Forums, everywhere - but usually about Rangers. Obsessed with one particular celtic supporting twitter babe, Bernadette, who he stalks follows closely online.

- Michael: Not the sharpest tool in the box, Michael is the only one who believes Thomas' transfer rumours, and will defend them well beyond the point that the player signs a 10 year contract with Juventus. Constantly teased that he's so slow and gullible that he should be a Rangers fan. Still has a freezer full of ice cream.

Tune in to episode 1 - much hilarity ensues when the Da's travel to Easter Road for a game and Michael forgets the tickets. The Da's suggest to Thomas that he uses his friendship with Neil Lennon to get them into the stadium. But did Thomas really teach Neil Lennon everything he knows about football management through co-op games of Football Manager, as he claims?

*note: no offence to CQN. I just needed another celtic site, and since it couldn't be the prawn sandwich loving KDS, I went for you.
:angry: I didn't say I taught Lenny all he knows about management (although I might have offered him some invaluable insight one night in Tennents :ph43r: )
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The question we have to ask ourselves, irrespective of KT's affection for the club and bearing in mind where we play and what our realistic ambitions are.....do we need a £30m left back?
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9 Jul 2018, 02:13 PM
The question we have to ask ourselves, irrespective of KT's affection for the club and bearing in mind where we play and what our realistic ambitions are.....do we need a £30m left back?
This is a ridiculous way of looking at it.

We don't need a £25m striker, or even a £9m one, so punt Moussa and Eddie too. Griffiths has proven he's good enough to see us through the CL qualifiers.

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9 Jul 2018, 04:13 PM
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9 Jul 2018, 02:13 PM
The question we have to ask ourselves, irrespective of KT's affection for the club and bearing in mind where we play and what our realistic ambitions are.....do we need a £30m left back?
This is a ridiculous way of looking at it.

We don't need a £25m striker, or even a £9m one, so punt Moussa and Eddie too. Griffiths has proven he's good enough to see us through the CL qualifiers.

My point is it's arguably more important for instance to have a class striker than it is a class left back but it's how you want to look at things I suppose. If we sell a left back for£30m we should be able to obtain a perfectly good replacement for far less and have money available to strengthen the areas of the team that require attention. There is no guarantee of course that the club would do that. In any case I would not want to see KT sold at the moment just before vital European qualifiers.
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If that's what happened here, then the agent wasn't well aware of the numbers.

My point is simply that if Everton thought they "had Tierney" (according to ballbhoy) but had not agreed a fee with Celtic, then Everton are pretty stupid.
I think you're splitting hairs. If a players agent has no idea what his client is worth in transfer fees he shouldn't be an agent.

That a selling club either ramps that up or burdens the deal with extraneous add-ons can't be predicted.
I'm not splitting hairs.

It's a really simple point. Ballbhoy is saying that Everton thought they "had Tierney" even though they hadn't agreed a fee with Celtic. I am saying that, if that is indeed the case, Everton are thick as eff.

You can't be confident the deal will be done until you've negotiated terms with the buyer. If you're taking a player's agent's word for what the selling club will demand, then you're a mug. That's all I'm saying.
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