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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
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Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
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I can also guarantee that I'd be absolutely satisfied with £2m a year. Until someone else offered me £5m a year.

It's no really pish. What percentage of professional football players earn the same money as pundits/coaches etc that they did as players?

Fitba players are almost constantly moving clubs to get more money, even though the money they're already earning is "effing obscene". What makes you think Tierney should/would be any different? Please don't say it's cos he loves Celtic.

Why is Scott Brown still at Celtic?
Brown was the next big thing about 10 years ago. The football world has significantly changed since then.
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6 Jul 2018, 01:49 PM
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6 Jul 2018, 01:02 PM
Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
Bang on,.
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I can also guarantee that I'd be absolutely satisfied with £2m a year. Until someone else offered me £5m a year.

It's no really pish. What percentage of professional football players earn the same money as pundits/coaches etc that they did as players?

Fitba players are almost constantly moving clubs to get more money, even though the money they're already earning is "effing obscene". What makes you think Tierney should/would be any different? Please don't say it's cos he loves Celtic.

Would you, why? Is stockpiling cash your primary motivation in life?

Because 2m a year is more than enough to live a very comfortable live style while playing for the club you love.
So your answer is "cos he loves Celtic". Great stuff.
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Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
People should never say 'he'll never leave'.

Players come and go it's the name of the game.

Playing week in week out in a more competitive league is a lot more more testing than playing in the SPFL.

That's not to say playing for Celtic doesn't come with it's own challenges but realistically it's not the same as what you get in the top league's.




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6 Jul 2018, 01:25 PM

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How much money in wages is 4 £7m players costing us?

We got from having 1 player on a decent wage to 4 players who will probably each want more than what that 1 player is on. Over 4 year deals, that's a lot of money.
Hypothetical.

KT goes for £30m, up front. That's 4x players at £7m each, at the level of say Eduaord, Ntcham, with £2m used on wages. Assuming absolutely no increase on the £30m fee in bonuses, etc, as well as having KT's wage to spend, that's just breaking even. I'd be surprised if we didn't have plenty of scope to spend another £10m of our current budget on wages for these four hypothetical players.

Edited for maths.
£10m per year I assume? So roughly an extra £36m over 4 years? (assuming we're paying Tierney around £25k pw just now.) That's a lot of money.
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How much money in wages is 4 £7m players costing us?

We got from having 1 player on a decent wage to 4 players who will probably each want more than what that 1 player is on. Over 4 year deals, that's a lot of money.
But if two of those £7 million players become worth double or treble that, think of the profits to be made. That is the Porto and Benfica model of buying high and selling even higher.
Porto and Benfica aren't good examples as they don't own the player outright. They only own a smaller percentage of the player.
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Would you, why? Is stockpiling cash your primary motivation in life?

Because 2m a year is more than enough to live a very comfortable live style while playing for the club you love.
So your answer is "cos he loves Celtic". Great stuff.
It's not unheard of for people to stay in jobs that offer lower salaries but provide more satisfaction overall. I left a well-paid job that I hated for something that makes me less money but leaves me feeling like a much happier person. Obviously, not everyone sees the world in those terms but money isn't always everything.
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Hypothetical.

KT goes for £30m, up front. That's 4x players at £7m each, at the level of say Eduaord, Ntcham, with £2m used on wages. Assuming absolutely no increase on the £30m fee in bonuses, etc, as well as having KT's wage to spend, that's just breaking even. I'd be surprised if we didn't have plenty of scope to spend another £10m of our current budget on wages for these four hypothetical players.

Edited for maths.
£10m per year I assume? So roughly an extra £36m over 4 years? (assuming we're paying Tierney around £25k pw just now.) That's a lot of money.
It's really not, if we're making the CL in each of those seasons, which with an improved squad should be a target we are able to hit.

It's all hypothetical. :thumbsup:
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6 Jul 2018, 01:02 PM
Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
This is bang on.

A lot of people are being quite disingenuous in punting the money line. I'm not naive about players leaving Celtic, for more money, for more 'glamour', whatever, but Tierney felt different and and even the most cynical felt he wouldn't be going anywhere for a couple of years.
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6 Jul 2018, 01:02 PM
Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
People should never say 'he'll never leave'.

Players come and go it's the name of the game.

Playing week in week out in a more competitive league is a lot more more testing than playing in the SPFL.

That's not to say playing for Celtic doesn't come with it's own challenges but realistically it's not the same as what you get in the top league's.




Well maybe he shouldn't say he'd sign a 10 year contract if he could.

Players do come and go, everyone is familiar with that. With Tierney it's just felt a bit different, I don't see how anyone could deny that.

Of course the EPL is a better standard, but there's some unique challenges to be had here. We're 3 years away from 10IAR ffs!! Anyone telling me they'd leave Celtic at the age of 21 to play for effing Everton at this stage is at it. Or seriously lacking in Uber Tim points.
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Celtic twitter asked kt a short while ago who will win the world cup and he said Belgium or Sweden

wanting Roberto martinez to win because he is the ex everton manager
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People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.
The EPL is vastly superior to Scottish football and offers players a chance to test themselves week in, week in against much better players. That is a far better development opportunity than a few games getting absolutely humped by PSG or whoever.

Of course money is a massive part of the decision but I don't think it's fair to say that players don't want to test them at a higher level rather than play against a very poor standard of opposition for 90% of their season playing in some pretty poor facilities in front of small crowds.
Edited by Bagheera, 6 Jul 2018, 02:23 PM.
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Would you, why? Is stockpiling cash your primary motivation in life?

Because 2m a year is more than enough to live a very comfortable live style while playing for the club you love.
So your answer is "cos he loves Celtic". Great stuff.
No, I never mentioned Tierney, it was you that said were it you in that position you'd be happy with 2m till someone offered you 5m.

Therefore I asked you if you were already earning 2m a year and you loved your job, would you jack it in? Just to earn more money when you are in effect already a millionaire?

Is stacking cash that important to you?
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Amazed that any follower of professional sport seriously believes that a professional would turn down the opportunity to earn 4 or 5 times as much money as he/ she currently does :lol:

KT has signed a new improved contract so unless the club gets an offer that they accept he stays put.
Personally I think that another season or two with us might be better for him in the long term. However should he continue to develop then he would be bonkers not to consider moving at that stage. Especially since we have already seen several hatchet men having a go at him without any real sanction

I don’t know enough about his family bacmkground but the difference in money could be life changing, not only for him but possibly for them too!

As in most cases the club will call most of the shots, so let’s leave the lad alone :thumbsup:
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People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.
The EPL is vastly superior to Scottish football and offers players a chance to test themselves week in, week in against much better players. That is a far better development opportunity than a few games getting absolutely humped by PSG or whoever.

Of course money is a massive part of the decision but I don't think it's fair to say that players don't want to test them at a higher level week in week out rather than play against a very poor standard of opposition for 90% of their season playing in some pretty poor facilities in front of small crowds.
The voice of Andy Walker.

Eff the EPL. Eff Everton. Eff an extra few bob.

Kieran Tierney has the potential to win 10IAR (possibly as captain). Personally, I wouldn't give that up for all the tea in China.

Some things in life are more important than money and personal development.
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Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
Amen :popepiusx2:
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People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.
The EPL is vastly superior to Scottish football and offers players a chance to test themselves week in, week in against much better players. That is a far better development opportunity than a few games getting absolutely humped by PSG or whoever.

Of course money is a massive part of the decision but I don't think it's fair to say that players don't want to test them at a higher level week in week out rather than play against a very poor standard of opposition for 90% of their season playing in some pretty poor facilities in front of small crowds.
The voice of Andy Walker.

Eff the EPL. Eff Everton. Eff an extra few bob.

Kieran Tierney has the potential to win 10IAR (possibly as captain). Personally, I wouldn't give that up for all the tea in China.

Some things in life are more important than money and personal development.
Exactly :thumbsup:
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Tierney aside, it’s interesting to see how many people seem to think that a 21-year-old should make their career decisions based purely on money.
Likewise. Must be the Tory da's.

People are deluding themselves here about wishing him well and seeing him test himself at a higher level. There aren't many bigger tests in European football than lining up in a Brendan Rodgers side in the CL as a left back beside Boyata against PSG. Certainly a lot more challenging than playing against Crystal Palace. If he leaves, he's leaving for money. Yes, he probably sees Everton as a stepping stone to something bigger, but the timing just seems utterly bizarre. Why now? Why leave before the 10? As has been pointed out a million times, he'll only be 24 that summer and, to Celtic fans anyway, it seems the perfect time to challenge himself elsewhere.

I love Tierney. I really hope he stays. He embodies something intangible that's lost from the game and it felt (feels) like a unique connection between player and fans that we've not seen for many years and, with my average knowledge of European football, isn't particularly common anywhere.

I don't think anything he's said or done has been an act to endear himself. But I do think people have every right to feel extremely disappointed if he jumped so early. There's also the factor of slight embarrassment; "he's one of our own", telling fans of other clubs he'll never leave etc. These things turn to anger for the fickle football fan. He knows this. It's our right as fans and it's something he'll need to live with.
Sums it up for me - excellent post
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6 Jul 2018, 12:30 PM
Let's be honest though, it's not all about money. If as a fan you can become sick to the back teeth of seeing the same shampooe teams playing at the same shampooeholes four times a season, then it would hardly be a surprise to find out a player might fancy trying something else and pushing himself a bit more, either.

Love KT, but would love to see him test himself at a higher level (and then run down his contract before rejoining on a free :ph43r: ).
Bizarre.
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