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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
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Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,585 Views)
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4 Jul 2018, 10:07 PM
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
That's a trippy as eff quote
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4 Jul 2018, 10:09 PM
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
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seems to be a pretty reasonable discussion about a rumoured transfer.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:11 PM
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CQN - “no bid received or wanted”
As relevant as Kieran’s current ( “6 year, I wish it was 10” ) deal.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:41 PM
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CQN - “no bid received or wanted”
As relevant as Kieran’s current ( “6 year, I wish it was 10” ) deal. KT signed the longest deal a player has ever signed at Celtic. I assume you're at it Frank
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4 Jul 2018, 10:43 PM
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White text, while obviously hilarious and in no way childish, is a pish way to upset guys who are already close to complete breakdown in this thread. We’d prefer it not be used thanks. ya bunch a effin loonies
The Mods. Well said
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4 Jul 2018, 11:27 PM
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42 minutes since the last post.
Everybody clamped ?
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4 Jul 2018, 11:30 PM
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Bid has still not gone in apparently
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4 Jul 2018, 11:38 PM
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Bid has still not gone in apparently My E-mail is down as well, they might do it by twitter or that facebook thing or fax.
Won't believe it till I see it on Teletext.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:01 AM
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This is all about money. PL and KT's agent trying to call each others bluff. Hooefully gets resolved asap.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:11 AM
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- 4 Jul 2018, 07:33 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I'm sure KT would love to play in a CL final, but he is being poorly advised if he makes a decision based on the good fortune of Robertson. Three are no guarantees in football. I suspect that when Michael Owen moved to Real Madrid he thought he had just greatly increased his chance to play in a CL final. And how did that work out.
I don’t really get the analogy here. Because Michael Owen joined Real Madrid in 2005 and never played for them in a CL Final, all other players for the rest of time should be wary about trying to better themselves because there are no guarantees? He joined in 2004. Who won CL in 2005?
My point is that just cos Robertson had the good fortune to play in a CL final does not mean that if KT chased the dollar he would get that chance.
If he does go I wish him every success. But I hope he appreciates what he has here and stays for the ten.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:13 AM
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This is all about money. PL and KT's agent trying to call each others bluff. Hooefully gets resolved asap. if true there is only one winner in that fight
goodbye kt you wonderful bastard
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5 Jul 2018, 12:57 AM
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Poured into the trough for the Das to sup.
Paul67, the High Sparrow of the Sellick Da's.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:57 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 06:58 AM
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This is all about money. PL and KT's agent trying to call each others bluff. Hooefully gets resolved asap. We don't have many players rated at 25M. So if that's his value his wage should reflect it. If, say, Dembele is getting more, when we were willing to accept 20m, then that wouldn't sit right with an agent I'm sure. And, who knows, maybe Eddie is on a tidy whack. They're all round about the same age too.
All hypothetic I guess. Might be Scott Sinclair who's the top earner. It's all a bit unseemly but if he wants to stay on that basis, while the manager wants to keep him, we're being foolish if we don't try to resolve this.
If he wants to burst the wage structure and set a precedent that will see everyone else banging at the door, he's as well just getting real.
Should be a compromise though, as we saw with Jackie McNama...oh.
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5 Jul 2018, 08:03 AM
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This is all about money. PL and KT's agent trying to call each others bluff. Hooefully gets resolved asap.
We don't have many players rated at 25M. So if that's his value his wage should reflect it. If, say, Dembele is getting more, when we were willing to accept 20m, then that wouldn't sit right with an agent I'm sure. And, who knows, maybe Eddie is on a tidy whack. They're all round about the same age too. All hypothetic I guess. Might be Scott Sinclair who's the top earner. It's all a bit unseemly but if he wants to stay on that basis, while the manager wants to keep him, we're being foolish if we don't try to resolve this. If he wants to burst the wage structure and set a precedent that will see everyone else banging at the door, he's as well just getting real. Should be a compromise though, as we saw with Jackie McNama...oh. Just out of interest, who was it that rated him at £25m? Us? Everton? Media?
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5 Jul 2018, 08:10 AM
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This is all about money. PL and KT's agent trying to call each others bluff. Hooefully gets resolved asap.
We don't have many players rated at 25M. So if that's his value his wage should reflect it. If, say, Dembele is getting more, when we were willing to accept 20m, then that wouldn't sit right with an agent I'm sure. And, who knows, maybe Eddie is on a tidy whack. They're all round about the same age too. All hypothetic I guess. Might be Scott Sinclair who's the top earner. It's all a bit unseemly but if he wants to stay on that basis, while the manager wants to keep him, we're being foolish if we don't try to resolve this. If he wants to burst the wage structure and set a precedent that will see everyone else banging at the door, he's as well just getting real. Should be a compromise though, as we saw with Jackie McNama...oh. As previous he has already had 2 recent pay rises and his pay is level with those at the highest end of the scale.
Of course the club and manager do not want to lose him but there's not much we can do if his agent is playing games.
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5 Jul 2018, 08:14 AM
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If what was said earlier in the thread about Broony sorting out his last pay rise is true KT's immediate priority should be getting shot of his new agents.
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5 Jul 2018, 08:38 AM
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Green Brigade Cheerleader or no, £80,000+ weekly reasons not to stay would make us all shove the megaphone up our own arses to get to wherever it is that pays that much.
Pro fitba' players? Wit ur they like? Play? For nothing? Ok well.
So what your saying is professional footballers are quite right to play for a club that pays them more money like Judas did That's exactly what they do.
Circumstances dictate their choices but the price of betrayal is alienation. (Or emigration/transportation)
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5 Jul 2018, 09:14 AM
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CQN - “no bid received or wanted”
As relevant as Kieran’s current ( “6 year, I wish it was 10” ) deal.
KT signed the longest deal a player has ever signed at Celtic. I assume you're at it Frank And it means nothing in the context of KT’s tenure at Celtic Park.
If he wants to go now he’ll go regardless of the length of his deal even if he had signed a 10 year deal as he claimed in an interview he wanted.
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Read this online earlier. A little long so stuck it in a spoiler.
Spoiler: click to toggle Kieran Tierney: A transfer that impacts far more than just Celtic's homegrown wonderkid Yeah, but for one of us, it will be different! We won’t sell and they won’t want to go. Until this week, this has been the credo of followers of the glorious and unique team called Glasgow Celtic. The Kieran Tierney saga - media reports suggest Everton want the full-back - will test that faith to the limits. And may have consequences well beyond Balance Sheets and bragging rights. This is a moment of serious reflection for all rational Celtic fans. Celtic, to its internal credit, has defined the sustainable modern playing-trading strategy of a big club from a small league. It’s common to Sporting Lisbon, Anderlecht, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, but none has done it better than Celtic. In execution and communication to the brethren. It goes like this: you attract exciting young talent globally with a simple elevator pitch: you can growth hack your career with us by getting Champions League exposure now. You also play domestically in front of 60k each fortnight, and you’re pretty much guaranteed three major honors each Spring. You will stay for us only for two years, at which point we will actively market you to the Premier League (or Southampton as fact would have it). You will reach your nirvana, and become rich. And as a bonus, you will play for two years in front of the greatest fans in the world. It’s a win/win. Where do I sign? This is the Glasgow Celtic business model, no more no less. Add in a top class coach in need of a CV polishing, and a CEO of excellent ruthlessness, and you have a fantastic club, delivering much more than it should, trapped as it has been, in the cage of a small TV market. Not to be underestimated is how they have “sold” this reality to the massive fan base of the club through a very astute communications strategy and inside bloggers preparing the message like John the Baptist. Wanyama, Van Dijk, Forster, and sundry others have taken this road. Others like Moussa Dembele have had their path entangled by bad injury at exactly the wrong moment. It’s an industrial process by now. It’s not opportunistic. And thus, each loss of a top player, incredibly, has been accepted. For two specific reasons, this author would suggest: Local dominance of Rangers is always the main objective. Honour and bragging rights make for a filling meal. And that stranglehold has only increased in the last 10 years. What does one player less make? It’s a turkey shoot in Scotland anyway.
There was a belief that the “Celtic men” would never leave, with the New Testament belief that perhaps one day a competitive team of die-for-the-cause Bhoys will return in righteous glory, in a kind of 300-esque mixture of altruism and defiance. “Yeah, but for one of us, it will be different!” If a young man called Kieran Tierney leaves Celtic in the coming weeks, it will put a dent in that second narrative in a way similar to the Gnostic Gospels. Yes, it's that fundamental. Let’s be disarmingly honest here; Celtic isn’t like any other club. “One of us” isn’t a cliche. It’s a brotherhood borne of a common background and upbringing; a people swimming valiantly against the same tide. This shouldn’t be seen as overdramatic or saccharine pathetic. Told from the old ones, it was exactly in that struggle against prejudice, poverty, and rejection, with horror stories to make your eyes weep, where Paradise was a sanctuary. Those of us descended from that culture all have a similar upbringing; the stories from the grandparents, often with bitterness in their eyes, the clubbing together for protection, the songs. Even 4 generations in, you are instantly recognizable to each other, regardless of the progress of your kith and kin over the 100 years. Some are politicians, some run the media, some employ thousands, some run football leagues. Some still dig the roads. But we are all “Celtic minded”. Kieran knows this. He is this. Intensely so. Perhaps the natural heir to the favorite son called Tommy Burns. With more profound routes than Macari, Hay, Dalglish, Nicholas. Certainly more than Maurice Johnston. All of those departures were traumatic for the teenager of those eras. This author never got over the loss of Nicholas in the early 80s, representing as it did a cold shower moment of realization that Celtic weren’t ever going to win the European Cup again if they sold all the “talent”. We were too low in the food chain, and football was changing. It’s been a generation and a half since a serious local talent has emerged in the east end of Glasgow. In those 35 years, many excellent Celtic players have left the club, including Henrik Larsson, but none were ever proper “Celtic minded”. So there’s a lot of people about to get the shock of their lives, in earnest conversations over breakfast, dinner, and tea.: “ I know he said he never wanted to leave us, I know he just signed a very long contract, I know he loves the badge, but son, he’s gone”. The Kieran Tierney saga is unfathomable to many. A father will need all the advantages of the older and wiser man to explain the unexplainable. The main advantage is called perspective. There was an under-rated movie from a few years ago called Vantage Point, showing the events of a traumatic day from the differing viewpoints of the protagonists. Only with all this data did the plot make sense. Here goes then for our traumatic day...... From the perspective of the club, it's ruthless pragmatism. Tierney, their best player, has expressed no desire to leave, and is a future captain and talisman. A key marketing asset in all commercial collaterals. He will improve and surely generate an even richer treasure in 2 years. He would be the rightful captain to capture 10-in-a-row. So why consider this if you are Peter Lawwell? Celtic have realized and publicly confirmed that their annual participation in the group stages of the UCL (with its super-profit reward) is less probable with every year that passes. Celtic have also dropped the ball on the expected Dembele windfall, when he should have been sold in the transfer window after the Man City game. Regret generates anxiety. Selling Tierney now for £30m should easily guarantee and maintain clear blue water between them and the best a Gerrard-aspired Rangers could achieve. It’s a trade that locks in 10-in-row, in a moment when UEFA monies may longer hit the Balance Sheet. And after all, they have a decent young replacement in Calvin Miller. Ruthless pragmatism? You decide. From the perspective of the player, or better, the human, he is torn. He is deeply “Celtic minded” but also an elite athlete, susceptible to whisperings in the ear of a song called Ambition. The lad has recently changed agent, to a boutique very focused on the practical matters in life. Coincidence? He now, they will say, has the chance to secure his family’s financial future. No doubt there would be a promise of a golden hello incentive to his family. And enough money for three generations down the line. It will also be suggested to him that he can’t wait for the 10th record title. At best, one more year at Celtic, before he is undeniably treading water. Another treble doesn’t advance his legacy, the SPFL doesn’t push his progression, and getting skelped for 5 or 6 in the Champions League doesn’t look good for a defender. And what if you get an injury, Kieran? Those soft seductive tunes played by top agents are a winning argument for any young man. Throw in the classic, “you’ll come back one day“, and it’s overwhelming. He leaves, albeit reluctantly. And rightly so. Whether Everton, Spurs or Man United is another argument, not for today.
From the perspective of the manager, it’s a blow. But he’d be a hypocrite if he used his best Irish silver tongue to push back. He himself likely tosses and turns each night on the horns of the same dilemma. Legacy and timing. Can he still win the treble without Tierney? Most certainly yes, and Miller is an excellent prospect. Will his chances in the UCL group stage be significantly downgraded by the loss of his star left back? Of course they will. But does going from a 20% to a 15% chance really represent a paradigm shift? It’s not at the margins. He will come to peace with the loss soon enough and reflect on investing that cash in quality central defenders and a goalie. And he will not be far behind the boy. From the perspective of the fans it is a tragedy. There are 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Those brave hacks currently opining the whole saga are already subjected to the denial and anger part. “He is Celtic. He won’t leave”. The bargaining phase will begin soon with the bragging rights about how good the fee was, and how it cements the Celtic dominance. That in Glasgow is called whittabootery. The more interesting phases are depression and acceptance. It raises more questions than answers. Will fans of a huge club like Celtic accept the reality that all, yes everyone, with international class, MUST leave? Will they accept their club actively marketing “Celtic minded” local idols for the wedge? Will they join the dots and see that there is thus a de facto quality ceiling on a Celtic player; where any exception appearing, like Kieran Tierney, is doomed to be fleeting? Will the younger fans, not already having experienced the pain of Dalglish and Nicholas, accept this? That last question is the key one. The modern Gen Z fan is in no way as bought-in to local fare as we were. His (and increasingly her) choices are now infinite in the world of Twitch, with mega-star players projected to global celeb status. Will the club loyalty hold? Will the Christmas Celtic pajamas guarantee a lifetime season ticket customer? Will Dad’s tears at Walk On still resonate?
Or. Will a moody, ballsy teenager turn to the old man and say “Dad, I’m not watching this anymore. It’s mediocre at best. Any talent we discover is off as soon as.....by definition, we are watching players who can’t get into a big league”? And what does Dad say? Now, undoubtedly the Celtic brand loyalty is infinitely stronger than almost any club. And whether the bloggers like to or not, much, if not all of that, is due to a to-the-death rivalry with Rangers. Yes, if you know the history you see that we were borne as a reaction to them, and are still defined by our desire to dominate them. They are NOT the peopel!!!! So whilst that rivalry/hatred continues, and any drop in player quality is evenly balanced, interest in the club, Glasgow Celtic, should persist. But do not make the mistake of thinking that the departure of Tierney can be intellectualised like Van Dijk. And that the impact will be manageable as easily. This transfer will be an epiphany moment for many, especially those under 25. For me, remembering Charlie, my heart goes out to the kids.
https://www.givemesport.com/1346798-kieran-tierney-a-transfer-that-impacts-far-more-than-just-celtics-homegrown-wonderkid
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