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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,594 Views)
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The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:09 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM
I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.

If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
Why does he need to manage his exit carefully
If he goes he goes.
I CGAF how its done or where he goes, he's a big boy now.

Hope he isnt planning too much on coming back on a Bosman.
Thats pretty arrogant thinking

Only issue for me is getting as much money as possible.

Shaun Maloney didn't manage his exit very well, and then wanted back up the road sharpish.


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murphio
4 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM
The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
Think Shinnie only has a year left.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:34 AM
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.

1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.

2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.

3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
I can’t understand how any Celtic fan is ok about KT leaving.When Dalglish left us I understood 100% why he left,but i wasn’t ok about it.My first game was in 71 the day after Tommy Gemmell left and KT is the best left back i’ve seen in my 47 yrs going to see celtic.Financially we can easily knock back £25M.By showing a bit of ambition appointing Brendan we reaped the rewards on and off the pitch.Reaching 2 CL group stages plus winning back to back trebles resulting in season ticket waiting lists is the way to make money.Why jeopardise this for a quick financial fix which we don’t need?You can say he might get injured or lose form but he could get better and help us reach CL group stages the next 3 or 4 yrs. and then we might get £50M.If we are to reach the CL group stages we’ve got to strengthen our team not weaken it.Celtic should say he is not for sale at any price and the ball is in KT court.If he asked for a transfer then we would have to sell but not before.
"I can’t understand how any Celtic fan is ok about KT leaving."

Because we're not talking about Dalglish or Larsson or McStay or even Broony here.

We're talking about a young left back, albeit a very good one, but not without flaws.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:31 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 11:10 AM
£25m for a left back? Yes please. He’s a very good player with a bright future, but we can’t turn down a deal like that, and nor should we, regardless of how much of a mad mental tim he is. I’ll be more upset when Dembele or Ntcham go.
What good is £25m if you go into the CL qualifiers with a couple of scarecrows in jerseys hoping no one will notice and we get dumped out on our arses, losing £40m?

We'd also still have to buy a left back from the £25m.

No guarantee of qualification, but we'd have a better chance if he stayed. If his heart is set on going, he can wait until January or until we have another left back signed.
I doubt if the fee is £25m that we would get that in one payment, transfer fees are usually spread out over the term of the contact, if we get it in a lump sum Lawwell is a genius
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4 Jul 2018, 11:58 AM
murphio
4 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM
The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
Think Shinnie only has a year left.
I can’t see that being a goer anymore. Fud.

We need better than him also.
Edited by SuperHans67, 4 Jul 2018, 12:05 PM.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:38 AM
Dembele is more likely to want to leave if he sees KT going because he sees a lack of ambition
That’s cobblers though. Footballers understand that other players leave. Dembele has also seen us break our transfer record to sign Edouard.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:58 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM
The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
Think Shinnie only has a year left.
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murphio
4 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM
The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
Think Shinnie only has a year left.
:lol:
If Tierney stays, we need cover for him. If he goes, we need two left backs.

I wouldn't mind taking Shinnie for cover if we can get him cheap. I'd be hoping we would be looking for a nailed on starter left back in addition to that.
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murphio
4 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM
The major fear, of course, is that the lottery of the Champions League qualifiers throws us a real curve ball and we end up using the Tierney money to essentially close the gap in lost revenue. That would be very hard to stomach. If the club are willing to sell they absolutely must have a replacement lined up. That in inself throws up a problem in that selling clubs know we are both desperate AND have money to spend.
They don't factor in CL money into their projected revenue though.
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If Tierney stays, we need cover for him. If he goes, we need two left backs.

I wouldn't mind taking Shinnie for cover if we can get him cheap. I'd be hoping we would be looking for a nailed on starter left back in addition to that.
You cant be serious ? Graham Shinnie :lol: Deary me , this KT stuff is getting to everyone's head !
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.

1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.

2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.

3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
I can’t understand how any Celtic fan is ok about KT leaving.When Dalglish left us I understood 100% why he left,but i wasn’t ok about it.My first game was in 71 the day after Tommy Gemmell left and KT is the best left back i’ve seen in my 47 yrs going to see celtic.Financially we can easily knock back £25M.By showing a bit of ambition appointing Brendan we reaped the rewards on and off the pitch.Reaching 2 CL group stages plus winning back to back trebles resulting in season ticket waiting lists is the way to make money.Why jeopardise this for a quick financial fix which we don’t need?You can say he might get injured or lose form but he could get better and help us reach CL group stages the next 3 or 4 yrs. and then we might get £50M.If we are to reach the CL group stages we’ve got to strengthen our team not weaken it.Celtic should say he is not for sale at any price and the ball is in KT court.If he asked for a transfer then we would have to sell but not before.
"I can’t understand how any Celtic fan is ok about KT leaving."

Because we're not talking about Dalglish or Larsson or McStay or even Broony here.

We're talking about a young left back, albeit a very good one, but not without flaws.
We don’t need the money and by selling him we’ll weaken our team which will make it more difficult to qualify for the CL group stages.So why is that ok to fans?
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If Tierney stays, we need cover for him. If he goes, we need two left backs.

I wouldn't mind taking Shinnie for cover if we can get him cheap. I'd be hoping we would be looking for a nailed on starter left back in addition to that.
Agreed. Shinnie would be the replacement for Izzy rather than Tierney. I'd be happy enough with that. He doesn't have a year left though. They'd want more than they got for Hayes I'd imagine.
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Shinnie, the guy our captain basically said was effing useless about 6 weeks ago.

Get him to absolute eff.

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Are people taking the pish?

Shinnie the 'left back' hasn't been played at left back in about 3 seasons
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4 Jul 2018, 12:13 PM
Shinnie, the guy our captain basically said was effing useless about 6 weeks ago.

Get him to absolute eff.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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4 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM
I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.

If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
And to be honest, if he were to return fit and well but with no career changing injury setbacks, that would be a superb master plan.
Timing isn't great - but a Tierney who was to leave - get some other experience at a half decent EPL side (I'd rather not Everton - but maybe he stands a chance of actually getting a regular start there).
4 or 5 years of top whack earning - and he returns, in theory at the peak of his potential.
Sounds great - I'm fairly sure (all being well) he'd return as a phenomenal footballer (which he isn't just now btw - though he probably is by SPFL standards).

The problem though might be that it turns out to be longer than 4 or 5 years.
I'd rather he were to return and really offer something rather than be a hasbeen...

Ultimately - our model means that we need to be realistic when selling players.
Of course we want to get to the CL to watch us compete - but from a club development perspective, it's imperative to get there to use the revenue generated in ways that will keep us at the top of Scottish football.
And that doesn't mean just players.
Selling Tierney for £25m is (I'm guessing) like getting a years CL revenue after expenses an bonus paid out etc.
It pays for a screwed up campaign this year, god forbid that were to happen.
If we don't keep getting that sort of cash coming in, we regress.
And even with Tierney in the squad, there's no guarantee we'd get into the CL.

That being said, if a deal was to be made, I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to keep him for the CL qualifiers anyway - unless Everton are involved in europe?
Could be factored in as part of the deal...

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He’s got nothing left to achieve at us. If he doesn’t go and make the money available elsewhere he’s very naive.

We just better invest the fee into the team.
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He’s got nothing left to achieve at us. If he doesn’t go and make the money available elsewhere he’s very naive.

We just better invest the fee into the team.
Aye, it's no like we're on track to win 10 titles in row or anything.
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He’s got nothing left to achieve at us. If he doesn’t go and make the money available elsewhere he’s very naive.

We just better invest the fee into the team.
He's got 10 in a row to achieve and plenty of other opportunities to earn loads of money. He's only 21 ffs
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