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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
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Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,596 Views)
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4 Jul 2018, 10:28 AM
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.
1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.
2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.
3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
Thats exactly how I see it. I want him to stay, but sometimes best decision for club and player if bid is so great. I'd like more than £25m and he can do better than Everton but if the board are comfortable with that. (only point I'd disagree with you is that I don't have faith in Celtic's current recruitment set-up beyond the big buys and I'm not confident we'd spend £7m on a left back). And now we have a supposed bid that smashes Celtic's outward transfer record, the SPFL transfer record and the transfer record for a Scottish player ever. The type of transfer the Celtic board have been working towards since this policy started in the late 2000s. And now its 'wee bastard forcing a move when the board want him to stay'
I wouldn’t normally give the board the benefit of the doubt either, but the rumour that he’s leaving originated from the player’s side. He’s now getting pelters, so it’s understandable if they then try to blame the club. Granted, it could be entirely the other way round, but the player is in a much stronger position than the club.
As said, he knows how he’s seen by the support. If the club tried to force a move and he came out and said he didn’t want to go because 10IAR, there’d be effin riots in the car park supporting him. If he tries to force a move and the club say no, they’re left with a pissed off player who wants to go, presumably with everything that normally entails.
Weighing things up, I think it’s more likely that the player has made the decision to go and the club are accommodating it.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:29 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 10:30 AM
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Yet exonerating Tory agents and those listening in the same stroke.
Exonerating no Tory carrot. Get a grip of yourself man. You're part of a pathetic pile-on to KT based on a supposedly ITK internet rumours. I'm passing on rumours from Wishy from those who know him. It's how message boards work If it isn't the board, it's KT and agents - his employees, in essence - yet you're brushing that off on account of the board being Tories. So will they be. - that's what I'm getting at. The noises from everywhere bar Wishy are that this is the case. The board aren't stupid - they know he'll get better/more valuable and is one of their main marketing tools.
He's covered by contract law and would have the weight of the support behind him, so it is as simple as him saying no if he doesn't want to go. We're minted, so the big fee doesn't wash. We don't need it - we need a settled team to qualify for the CL where we will make double that. The apparent strategy now according to Mikey, iirc, is to be bypassing these middling feckers and punting our best to elite teams. This also goes against that. They also pissed Dembele and his agent off in the winter - why would they then try to eff about their manager's and prize as set's agency a few months later? Just doesn't make sense. They're daft, but come on tae.
I was probably more annoyed at Watt making a carrot of it than I am about this, just feel that he's being afforded far more goodwill than others before him, and that is because of the image he's been building, when it looks like he's just on the make like the rest. It's amusing.
Economic decisions are one thing, but we all know football is about far more than money - and what was refreshing about KT was that he didn't appear to be your modern wee footballer. C'est la vie and all that.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:34 AM
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.
1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.
2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.
3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
Thats exactly how I see it. I want him to stay, but sometimes best decision for club and player if bid is so great. I'd like more than £25m and he can do better than Everton but if the board are comfortable with that. (only point I'd disagree with you is that I don't have faith in Celtic's current recruitment set-up beyond the big buys and I'm not confident we'd spend £7m on a left back). And now we have a supposed bid that smashes Celtic's outward transfer record, the SPFL transfer record and the transfer record for a Scottish player ever. The type of transfer the Celtic board have been working towards since this policy started in the late 2000s. And now its 'wee bastard forcing a move when the board want him to stay' I wouldn’t normally give the board the benefit of the doubt either, but the rumour that he’s leaving originated from the player’s side. He’s now getting pelters, so it’s understandable if they then try to blame the club. Granted, it could be entirely the other way round, but the player is in a much stronger position than the club. As said, he knows how he’s seen by the support. If the club tried to force a move and he came out and said he didn’t want to go because 10IAR, there’d be effin riots in the car park supporting him. If he tries to force a move and the club say no, they’re left with a pissed off player who wants to go, presumably with everything that normally entails. Weighing things up, I think it’s more likely that the player has made the decision to go and the club are accommodating it. I agree the middle position is likely to be closer to the truth.
Everton ask a question, Celtic, KT and agent all receptive.
Take your pick who initiated the move.
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM
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I’ve instructed ma boy to go up and just ask him about KT
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4 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM
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Exonerating no Tory carrot. Get a grip of yourself man. You're part of a pathetic pile-on to KT based on a supposedly ITK internet rumours. I'm passing on rumours from Wishy from those who know him. It's how message boards work
If it isn't the board, it's KT and agents - his employees, in essence - yet you're brushing that off on account of the board being Tories. So will they be. - that's what I'm getting at. The noises from everywhere bar Wishy are that this is the case. The board aren't stupid - they know he'll get better/more valuable and is one of their main marketing tools. He's covered by contract law and would have the weight of the support behind him, so it is as simple as him saying no if he doesn't want to go. We're minted, so the big fee doesn't wash. We don't need it - we need a settled team to qualify for the CL where we will make double that. The apparent strategy now according to Mikey, iirc, is to be bypassing these middling feckers and punting our best to elite teams. This also goes against that. They also pissed Dembele and his agent off in the winter - why would they then try to eff about their manager's and prize as set's agency a few months later? Just doesn't make sense. They're daft, but come on tae. I was probably more annoyed at Watt making a carrot of it than I am about this, just feel that he's being afforded far more goodwill than others before him, and that is because of the image he's been building, when it looks like he's just on the make like the rest. It's amusing. Economic decisions are one thing, but we all know football is about far more than money - and what was refreshing about KT was that he didn't appear to be your modern wee footballer. C'est la vie and all that. Thats all very fine lad but I didnt exonerate Tory agents
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4 Jul 2018, 10:37 AM
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If it isn't the board, it's KT and agents - his employees, in essence - yet you're brushing that off on account of the board being Tories. So will they be. - that's what I'm getting at. The noises from everywhere bar Wishy are that this is the case. The board aren't stupid - they know he'll get better/more valuable and is one of their main marketing tools. He's covered by contract law and would have the weight of the support behind him, so it is as simple as him saying no if he doesn't want to go. We're minted, so the big fee doesn't wash. We don't need it - we need a settled team to qualify for the CL where we will make double that. The apparent strategy now according to Mikey, iirc, is to be bypassing these middling feckers and punting our best to elite teams. This also goes against that. They also pissed Dembele and his agent off in the winter - why would they then try to eff about their manager's and prize as set's agency a few months later? Just doesn't make sense. They're daft, but come on tae. I was probably more annoyed at Watt making a carrot of it than I am about this, just feel that he's being afforded far more goodwill than others before him, and that is because of the image he's been building, when it looks like he's just on the make like the rest. It's amusing. Economic decisions are one thing, but we all know football is about far more than money - and what was refreshing about KT was that he didn't appear to be your modern wee footballer. C'est la vie and all that.
Thats all very fine lad but I didnt exonerate Tory agents
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4 Jul 2018, 10:39 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully. He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there.
And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it.
He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:41 AM
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Story from those who know him in Wishy is Celtic are holding out for £30m - if met, he's been told he's going (unwillingly).
Unwillingly?????? Nobody can make him go if he doesn’t want to. If he goes it’s because he wants to.
Why would celtic want to sell him now?It doesn’t make financial sense.He’s just signed a 6 year contract so he could stay for another 3 or 4 yrs and we could then sell him.Everyone knows a lot of foreign players use celtic as a stepping stone to the epl but it would be a lot harder to stomach if we’re losing Tierney so early in his career.Its a vicious circle.Pre Brendan we were playing into front of about 3o-35k fans at Celtic Park then lost in the cup to sevco and this jolted the board into showing ambition by appointing Brendan.We gain the rewards by qualifying for the CL group stages and winning back to back trebles then as ,we do,we get complacent and want to weaken our team for short term financial gain?Surely not! It would make financial sense - we would get a similar amount for KT that CL qualification earns. No dodgy away performances, or red cards, or bombscares to worry over.
But we'd be a weaker team for it. Teams like Celtic can't buy European "success", so we have to develop. We have had a team of young players that are hopefully better and wiser for the last two CL campaigns. BR looked to be building them towards something a bit more successful (hopefully).
KT going would possibly open the door two or three quality players- not projects - that might overall improve our CL chances.
All purely conjecture of course...
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4 Jul 2018, 10:42 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there. And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it. He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice. You know that most people who are happy to leave Scotland for a few years, generally want to come back. Especially the die hard tims
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4 Jul 2018, 10:45 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there. And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it. He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice. Eh...pretty sure most folk will remember him in 12 years...
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4 Jul 2018, 10:48 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there. And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it. He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice.
Eh...pretty sure most folk will remember him in 12 years... And if he goes now we will remember him in 12 yrs time with a lump in our throats.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM
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FFS this thread jumped about 30 pages since I last checked yesterday. Worth the catch up? Anybody turned on KT yet?
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4 Jul 2018, 10:52 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there. And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it. He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice.
Eh...pretty sure most folk will remember him in 12 years... Aye, we'll sting be singing, That's why we sing this song, for Kieran... ah, getting him mixed up with that other Celtic legend.
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4 Jul 2018, 10:55 AM
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully.
He'll not come back on a Bosman if he's been used to earning 100k a week, going up to £200k with the increasing madness down there. And if a bigger club did come sniffing around Everton, it doesn't look like he'd be willing to miss out on his slice of a transfer and the pay rise that would go with it. He'd come back at about 33, if anyone still remembered him and wanted him, a Keane-style signing when he's running out of juice.
You know that most people who are happy to leave Scotland for a few years, generally want to come back. Especially the die hard tims Hmm, I know what you're getting at but I think each individual is different and 'want to come back' might be stretching it, in some cases anyway.
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4 Jul 2018, 11:07 AM
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I think he'll stay . My first neck on the line kds prediction based on nothing
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I'm no fan of Lawwell. I don't see this one as down to him. We certainly don't need to sell. It's his job now to get the best money we can for Tierney. If that's Everton or Wolves or whoever, I CGAF. The bulk of the money needs to be reinvested in the team sharpish. The two players we are after, if Wilson is true, don't help solve our defensive problems. We need to address our weaknesses very quickly.
If I was Tierney, I'd go, take the loot and come back on a Bosman in 4 or 5 years. He needs to manage his exit very carefully. Why does he need to manage his exit carefully If he goes he goes. I CGAF how its done or where he goes, he's a big boy now.
Hope he isnt planning too much on coming back on a Bosman. Thats pretty arrogant thinking
Only issue for me is getting as much money as possible.
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