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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,597 Views)
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oneillsrevolution
4 Jul 2018, 08:32 AM
Story from those who know him in Wishy is Celtic are holding out for £30m - if met, he's been told he's going (unwillingly).
Unwillingly??????

Nobody can make him go if he doesn’t want to. If he goes it’s because he wants to.
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4 Jul 2018, 09:32 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 09:26 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 08:45 AM

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Yes, two contrasting stories.

Ways and means to force a player out without dropping him from the team. Aiden McGeady is on record discussing the pressure put on him by Lennon to take the Spartak move (which he didnt want). Lennon with a calculator showing him signing on fees, having already spent the money and letting him know Celtic needed to accept the bid.

Lot of posters quick to exonerate the Celtic's board and a bandwagon has built up around that. I'm naturally uncomfortable with that given their track record.
He has a six year contract. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't need to.

If Celtic were behind it, their only option would then be to petulantly put him in the 21s - he'd have all the backing in the world and would be a PR disaster. Only way this makes sense is that he's instigated it, and rather than floof about, we're just dealing with it.
In theory, aye. In practice, more complex than that.

If he's told he's taking one for the team. Most important transfer in modernhistory of the club. blah blah blah.

In this matter, I'm naturally uncomfortable exonerating a Tory Celtic board.
Edited by oneillsrevolution, 4 Jul 2018, 09:38 AM.
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If Kieran goes then so be it. He'll go with my best wishes and I'm sure the majority of the support, well the sensible ones anyway.

Between 25-30 million is a lot of money and can pretty much pay for our youth structure of which Kieran came through for the next 10 years. However we're not daft enough to realise that we pretty much couldn't replace him unless we got very lucky somehow and that's the issue most have. It'll obviously weaken the team and this is a massive year all round for Celtic not just in Europe but domestically and the more homegrown quality players we have the better.

I've seen some people jump to conclusions on KT, Celtic, the media etc but the fact is none of us know the exact truth and it's all speculation right now.

One last thing that got me was everyone commenting on Everton being some sort of small club. The sign of the modern day football fan. Everton up until around the early to mid 70s were more than likely one of the 2-3 biggest clubs in England, historically, fanbase, trophies and so on. Though times have changed they are certainly no small club but more of a sleeping giant on a scale even more so than Manchester City were, in fact much bigger in all honesty.
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oneillsrevolution
4 Jul 2018, 09:35 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 09:32 AM
oneillsrevolution
4 Jul 2018, 09:26 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepneeded to accept the bid.

Lot of posters quick to exonerate the Celtic's board and a bandwagon has built up around that. I'm naturally uncomfortable with that given their track record.
He has a six year contract. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't need to.

If Celtic were behind it, their only option would then be to petulantly put him in the 21s - he'd have all the backing in the world and would be a PR disaster. Only way this makes sense is that he's instigated it, and rather than floof about, we're just dealing with it.
In theory, aye. In practice, more complex than that.

If he's told he's taking one for the team. Most important transfer in modernhistory of the club. blah blah blah.

In this matter, I'm naturally uncomfortable exonerating a Tory Celtic board who get a 10 minute hard on at £ signs on a laptop.
If it is true, that it's the board forcing this it's a total disgrace.

I also agree that in practice it's not just as simple as Tierney telling them he's not going.

How good is your source on this? What you've been told goes against lots of other folk's information.
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I really can't see this being the board this time. They better react effing properly though.

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4 Jul 2018, 09:32 AM
oneillsrevolution
4 Jul 2018, 09:26 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepneeded to accept the bid.

Lot of posters quick to exonerate the Celtic's board and a bandwagon has built up around that. I'm naturally uncomfortable with that given their track record.
He has a six year contract. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't need to.

If Celtic were behind it, their only option would then be to petulantly put him in the 21s - he'd have all the backing in the world and would be a PR disaster. Only way this makes sense is that he's instigated it, and rather than floof about, we're just dealing with it.
In theory, aye. In practice, more complex than that.

If he's told he's taking one for the team. Most important transfer in modernhistory of the club. blah blah blah.

In this matter, I'm naturally uncomfortable exonerating a Tory Celtic board.
Yet exonerating Tory agents and those listening in the same stroke.
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4 Jul 2018, 09:27 AM
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4 Jul 2018, 09:18 AM
Maybe yon state aid fella that blogged a couple of weeks ago that we were skint was right after all...

Aye right, effing hun walloper
We aren't. Our accounts are there for anyone who can bothered to take 5 minutes to find. :thumbsup:
I know mate, to be honest I was hoping for more of a bite as the white text shows...
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4 Jul 2018, 09:44 AM
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In theory, aye. In practice, more complex than that.

If he's told he's taking one for the team. Most important transfer in modernhistory of the club. blah blah blah.

In this matter, I'm naturally uncomfortable exonerating a Tory Celtic board.
Yet exonerating Tory agents and those listening in the same stroke.
Exonerating no Tory carrot. Get a grip of yourself man.

You're part of a pathetic pile-on to KT based on a supposedly ITK internet rumours. I'm passing on rumours from Wishy from those who know him. It's how message boards work :thumbsup:
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4 Jul 2018, 09:19 AM
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oneillsrevolution
4 Jul 2018, 08:32 AM
Story from those who know him in Wishy is Celtic are holding out for £30m - if met, he's been told he's going (unwillingly).
That's rubbish.
If Tierney doesn't want to go, he can't be forced.
Same scenario as Jimmy McGrory back in the 1930's.
Yeah man. I can see why a football player who was paid £8 a week almost a century ago is relevant to this discussion.
What's so hard to understand there?
He has a contract, cannot be forced to move if he doesn't want to. Wage doesn't come into it.

Your information is rubbish.
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.

1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.

2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.

3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
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Yeah man. I can see why a football player who was paid £8 a week almost a century ago is relevant to this discussion.
What's so hard to understand there?
He has a contract, cannot be forced to move if he doesn't want to. Wage doesn't come into it.

Your information is rubbish.
Thanks for enlightening us :thumbsup:
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4 Jul 2018, 10:06 AM
I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.

1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.

2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.

3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
Very good post.

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I'm ok with him going, it's the state of the defence that he leaves behind that worries me more than anything.

If he does go, then the defence we'll be going into the CL qualifiers with is arguably no better than the one Deila left behind two years ago, in fact you could probably make a case for saying it's worse.

I don't get or understand our lack of movement at this point in the season year in year out. Seemed to take ages to get Ntcham in last year, and we then arsed about in the middle qualifiers with no fit strikers or centre backs. The year before it was no fit or capable defenders for Astana away.

No qualms about us getting money in for Tierney, but anyone who has watched Celtic over the last few years expecting the £25m to be reinvested in quality straight away, or even at all, is probably in for a shock.
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I'm okay with Kieran Tierney leaving. Here are my reasons.

1. Being offered this much money for a player playing in Scotland doesn't happen and he could be an injury or a season loss of form away from ever getting to this value again. Celtic are not in the position economically or geographically to absorb that risk.

2. He's a left back. The club won't fall apart if we lose a left back. We could probably reinvest 20% of the £25m+ fee on someone with at least 80% of Tierney's ability. I have faith in our scouting.

3. Let's face it, Celtic's policy is to buy low, develop and sell at a profit to sustain the business model. If we want to be seen as a selling club capable of churning out high quality, high value players like Sporting Lisbon, Ajax, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk etc. then we need to have a player sold to smash the glass ceiling of previous transfer records. Similar effect to how whenever the world transfer record is broken (i.e. Neymar's transfer) it automatically pushes up the price of every transfer thereafter.
Thats exactly how I see it. I want him to stay, but sometimes best decision for club and player if bid is so great. I'd like more than £25m and he can do better than Everton but if the board are comfortable with that. (only point I'd disagree with you is that I don't have faith in Celtic's current recruitment set-up beyond the big buys and I'm not confident we'd spend £7m on a left back).

And now we have a supposed bid that smashes Celtic's outward transfer record, the SPFL transfer record and the transfer record for a Scottish player ever. The type of transfer the Celtic board have been working towards since this policy started in the late 2000s.

And now its 'wee bastard forcing a move when the board want him to stay' :lol:
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Story from those who know him in Wishy is Celtic are holding out for £30m - if met, he's been told he's going (unwillingly).
Unwillingly??????

Nobody can make him go if he doesn’t want to. If he goes it’s because he wants to.
Why would celtic want to sell him now?It doesn’t make financial sense.He’s just signed a 6 year contract so he could stay for another 3 or 4 yrs and we could then sell him.Everyone knows a lot of foreign players use celtic as a stepping stone to the epl but it would be a lot harder to stomach if we’re losing Tierney so early in his career.Its a vicious circle.Pre Brendan we were playing into front of about 3o-35k fans at Celtic Park then lost in the cup to sevco and this jolted the board into showing ambition by appointing Brendan.We gain the rewards by qualifying for the CL group stages and winning back to back trebles then as ,we do,we get complacent and want to weaken our team for short term financial gain?Surely not!
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I highly doubt he’ll do it with Everton either. He’ll be lucky to lift another trophy if he goes there.
Wanyama - Southampton- Spurs
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He won’t be at Everton long.
Quite. No doubt if Man U or City were after him he'd go there in a heartbeat, the Everton move is a means to an end and a lucrative one at that.

Also, who's to say Everton won't get their act together and do a Spurs over the next 5 years? Money, new coach new stadium in the offing, the club seem to be on the up.
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I'd heard from a mate who's a football agent with players at Celtic, that the basis for signing a 6 year deal was the Celtic could demand a higher fee. Also said that KT had signed with some agency down south prior to the 6 year deal and there was no chance he was doing that just to get a deal at Celtic. I hope its all garbage but he's usually not bad with some info.
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