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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,602 Views)
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There is a vast difference between the English Premier League 2018 and the First Division circa 1983. Light years in every respect, in fact. And putting the league to one side for a moment, Everton are not some tin pot club who just appeared on the scene thanks to Sky's TV revenue. They are a big club with a good history - and they have ambitions for growth, they have spent fortunes over the past couple of seasons. If Man U decide to enter the bidding for Tierney then of course he should go there. But if Everton is his only realistic option at this stage (if he does want to go) then he is joining a bigger, more ambitious club than Van Dijk, Wanyama or Forster did.
Given Southampton's history I don't think Everton are more ambitious. Certainly not in the last few seasons. Bigger club, no doubt but Southampton have spent a number of years reaching for the kind of player and success fast beyond their recent past.

Everton haven't had much success at all unless you consider staying in the EPL consistently in a slot somewhere from 15th to seventh with the one or two time soiree up to fourth.

The epitome of reaching for the stars with short arms.
Shaw, Shneiderlin, Mane, La Lana, Van Dijk, Clyne, Wanyama, Alderwiereld, Lovren etc etc... Southampton are the very essence of a selling, stepping stone club. And yet I don't remember the same level of vitriol being levelled at either of the three lads who went there. Everton were massive net spenders last season and look like they are going to go again under the new manager in actually trying to build a succussful club. The rules for Celtic supporters coming through the ranks appears to be different than players we sign; like they owe us something because they have the audacity to show emotion and pride in playing for the shirt. Tierney owes us nothing; he has given us four years of good service as a pro having been at the club since he was eight or nine years old. If he leaves we will be very well compensated.
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whats he going to do if he ever has to play against us ?
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Look at it the other way

Do you think if Celtic were in for Gylfi Sigurdsson he'd leave Everton to play in the Scottish Premiership ?
Pretty sure players have joined us from the EPL, Paddy Roberts? Depends on a lot of factors, don't think your point stands up.
My point was that he will face some pretty aversge teams in EPL, he won't play against big clubs every week.
As for Everton being a big ambitious club? No having that.
Point is times have changed

Celtic can't go to Everton, however midtable they might be these days and take their better players.

Paddy Roberts wasn't in Man city's first team.

And Everton have signed 8 players costing over 20m over the past three transfer windows and are planning to move to a new 55-60,000 seat stadium on the Liverpool waterfront. I think under Moshiri's ownership they are very ambitious.


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Given Southampton's history I don't think Everton are more ambitious. Certainly not in the last few seasons. Bigger club, no doubt but Southampton have spent a number of years reaching for the kind of player and success fast beyond their recent past.

Everton haven't had much success at all unless you consider staying in the EPL consistently in a slot somewhere from 15th to seventh with the one or two time soiree up to fourth.

The epitome of reaching for the stars with short arms.
Shaw, Shneiderlin, Mane, La Lana, Van Dijk, Clyne, Wanyama, Alderwiereld, Lovren etc etc... Southampton are the very essence of a selling, stepping stone club. And yet I don't remember the same level of vitriol being levelled at either of the three lads who went there. Everton were massive net spenders last season and look like they are going to go again under the new manager in actually trying to build a succussful club. The rules for Celtic supporters coming through the ranks appears to be different than players we sign; like they owe us something because they have the audacity to show emotion and pride in playing for the shirt. Tierney owes us nothing; he has given us four years of good service as a pro having been at the club since he was eight or nine years old. If he leaves we will be very well compensated.
People have an issue with him going back on the spirit of his word and are doubly shocked/upset because it's so unexpected.

I'm firmly on the fence myself, but I hope this helps you overcome your absolutely genuine confusion as to why some folk are talking it hard and / or personal against the lad.
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There’s nothing offical online just daily record crap
Did it blame anyone for taking £100k per week
If it happens then everyone should thank him for extending his contract when he did
However I Will believe it when I see it

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Shaw, Shneiderlin, Mane, La Lana, Van Dijk, Clyne, Wanyama, Alderwiereld, Lovren etc etc... Southampton are the very essence of a selling, stepping stone club. And yet I don't remember the same level of vitriol being levelled at either of the three lads who went there. Everton were massive net spenders last season and look like they are going to go again under the new manager in actually trying to build a succussful club. The rules for Celtic supporters coming through the ranks appears to be different than players we sign; like they owe us something because they have the audacity to show emotion and pride in playing for the shirt. Tierney owes us nothing; he has given us four years of good service as a pro having been at the club since he was eight or nine years old. If he leaves we will be very well compensated.
People have an issue with him going back on the spirit of his word and are doubly shocked/upset because it's so unexpected.

I'm firmly on the fence myself, but I hope this helps you overcome your absolutely genuine confusion as to why some folk are talking it hard and / or personal against the lad.
'Taking it personal'. Yes, that is confusing and also slightly amusing. Reminds me, actually, of the grown men throwing their toys out of the pram on Sky Sports News when Wayne Rooney went to Old Trafford. A funny old game indeed.
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Ach eff it.
He was only good for an assist every 4 games in the SPL.

Punt.

(And buy a keeper, CB, CM, RW, and paint those effing supports around the roof, and do something with the toilets)
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Selling to Everton is a better deal for the club. We’ll have a 10 or 15% sell on clause amongst other triggers.

If we sold to United or City we’d probably make less.

As much as it’s a honkin decision to sell, maximising our investment is the priority. The club can’t say we’ll wait until 10 in a row is secured then we’ll sell. Doesn’t work like that - he’s one awful injury away from the scrap heap. Look at what happened to John Kennedy.

Brendan’s passion seems to be development, so, they can save us the “we’re trying to get to the next level” yarn.

The thought of going up against Barca with Hendry and McGinn in our side, makes me shudder.

Unless we see more major investment, we can forget about the CL for this season, at least.

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Shaw, Shneiderlin, Mane, La Lana, Van Dijk, Clyne, Wanyama, Alderwiereld, Lovren etc etc... Southampton are the very essence of a selling, stepping stone club. And yet I don't remember the same level of vitriol being levelled at either of the three lads who went there. Everton were massive net spenders last season and look like they are going to go again under the new manager in actually trying to build a succussful club. The rules for Celtic supporters coming through the ranks appears to be different than players we sign; like they owe us something because they have the audacity to show emotion and pride in playing for the shirt. Tierney owes us nothing; he has given us four years of good service as a pro having been at the club since he was eight or nine years old. If he leaves we will be very well compensated.
People have an issue with him going back on the spirit of his word and are doubly shocked/upset because it's so unexpected.

I'm firmly on the fence myself, but I hope this helps you overcome your absolutely genuine confusion as to why some folk are talking it hard and / or personal against the lad.
He’s not really in a position to give his word.

When a club accepts an offer of this magnitude, the player almost always moves on.

Sad to see him go, but I wish him no ill will. The boy might be good enough to eventually play in the CL final. He’ll never do that with us.
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People have an issue with him going back on the spirit of his word and are doubly shocked/upset because it's so unexpected.

I'm firmly on the fence myself, but I hope this helps you overcome your absolutely genuine confusion as to why some folk are talking it hard and / or personal against the lad.
'Taking it personal'. Yes, that is confusing and also slightly amusing. Reminds me, actually, of the grown men throwing their toys out of the pram on Sky Sports News when Wayne Rooney went to Old Trafford. A funny old game indeed.
So just to be clear you aren't confused at all, you're just being derisive.

My own opinion is that if you're going to position yourself as 'Mr Celtic' and trade on all the adulation from the fans that entials, you only have yourself to blame when those emotions turn against you when you break the spirit of your word. I also think he's a 21 year old lad with the world at his feet, all heart and not one of the worlds great thinkers, God love him.


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Given Southampton's history I don't think Everton are more ambitious. Certainly not in the last few seasons. Bigger club, no doubt but Southampton have spent a number of years reaching for the kind of player and success fast beyond their recent past.

Everton haven't had much success at all unless you consider staying in the EPL consistently in a slot somewhere from 15th to seventh with the one or two time soiree up to fourth.

The epitome of reaching for the stars with short arms.
Shaw, Shneiderlin, Mane, La Lana, Van Dijk, Clyne, Wanyama, Alderwiereld, Lovren etc etc... Southampton are the very essence of a selling, stepping stone club. And yet I don't remember the same level of vitriol being levelled at either of the three lads who went there. Everton were massive net spenders last season and look like they are going to go again under the new manager in actually trying to build a succussful club. The rules for Celtic supporters coming through the ranks appears to be different than players we sign; like they owe us something because they have the audacity to show emotion and pride in playing for the shirt. Tierney owes us nothing; he has given us four years of good service as a pro having been at the club since he was eight or nine years old. If he leaves we will be very well compensated.
Lukaku, Stones, Rooney, Barkley, Deleofeu (sp), Rodwell, Fellaini, Arteta. All players sold when playing at or near their peak and all for big money.

Everton are as ordinary an EPL side as you'll find. KT will find that out for himself. As far as their ambition goes, they have spent a lot of money over the last two seasons which has made them look like big net spenders in the last 5 or 10 years. If anything over that time they have done nothing but prove they are a club where decent managers and players go to die.

I don't deny KT the right to choose his club. Many here thought Southampton were below VvD and Wanyama and that both players deserved better. That view was proved right, just as it will with KT.
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Selling to Everton is a better deal for the club. We’ll have a 10 or 15% sell on clause amongst other triggers.

If we sold to United or City we’d probably make less.

As much as it’s a honkin decision to sell, maximising our investment is the priority. The club can’t say we’ll wait until 10 in a row is secured then we’ll sell. Doesn’t work like that - he’s one awful injury away from the scrap heap. Look at what happened to John Kennedy.

Brendan’s passion seems to be development, so, they can save us the “we’re trying to get to the next level” yarn.

The thought of going up against Barca with Hendry and McGinn in our side, makes me shudder.

Unless we see more major investment, we can forget about the CL for this season, at least.

He's one awful injury away from the scrap heap at Everton; thats the risk you take in football. Folk using one freak injury a decade and a half ago to justify this move is utterly mind boggling and so, so desperate.
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People have an issue with him going back on the spirit of his word and are doubly shocked/upset because it's so unexpected.

I'm firmly on the fence myself, but I hope this helps you overcome your absolutely genuine confusion as to why some folk are talking it hard and / or personal against the lad.
He’s not really in a position to give his word.

When a club accepts an offer of this magnitude, the player almost always moves on.

Sad to see him go, but I wish him no ill will. The boy might be good enough to eventually play in the CL final. He’ll never do that with us.
I highly doubt he’ll do it with Everton either. He’ll be lucky to lift another trophy if he goes there.
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'Taking it personal'. Yes, that is confusing and also slightly amusing. Reminds me, actually, of the grown men throwing their toys out of the pram on Sky Sports News when Wayne Rooney went to Old Trafford. A funny old game indeed.
So just to be clear you aren't confused at all, you're just being derisive.

My own opinion is that if you're going to position yourself as 'Mr Celtic' and trade on all the adulation from the fans that entials, you only have yourself to blame when those emotions turn against you when you break the spirit of your word. I also think he's a 21 year old lad with the world at his feet, all heart and not one of the worlds great thinkers, God love him.


That last line is out of order
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When a club accepts an offer of this magnitude, the player almost always moves on.
thats because it doesnt get that far unless the player is up for the move tbf
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He’s not really in a position to give his word.

When a club accepts an offer of this magnitude, the player almost always moves on.

Sad to see him go, but I wish him no ill will. The boy might be good enough to eventually play in the CL final. He’ll never do that with us.
I highly doubt he’ll do it with Everton either. He’ll be lucky to lift another trophy if he goes there.
Wanyama - Southampton- Spurs
Virgil - Southampton - Liverpool
Robertson - Hull - Liverpool

He won’t be at Everton long.
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So just to be clear you aren't confused at all, you're just being derisive.

My own opinion is that if you're going to position yourself as 'Mr Celtic' and trade on all the adulation from the fans that entials, you only have yourself to blame when those emotions turn against you when you break the spirit of your word. I also think he's a 21 year old lad with the world at his feet, all heart and not one of the worlds great thinkers, God love him.


That last line is out of order
Wasn't actually meant as a slight, just my opinion that he strikes me more as the kind that thinks more with his heart rather than his head. A few folk in here are looking at his decisions as cynical, whereas I just see a passionate young lad living in the moment, which explains the contradiction between past words and present actions. If true, of course.
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When a club accepts an offer of this magnitude, the player almost always moves on.
thats because it doesnt get that far unless the player is up for the move tbf
He’s more than likely been talked into it, by all around him, including figures at the club.

Brendan doesn’t excactly help us at times with the way he speaks publicly, when our players are linked with moves to England.

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