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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,657 Views)
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30 Jun 2018, 06:31 AM
Why are people scoffing because it’s Everton? They’re a big club who has a bad season last year - plenty potential.

25 million is a great offer if true. If anyone thinks the board would knock that back, not a chance.

It’ll come down to IF KT wants to go.
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They are not a big club, far from it.

Have a look at their league finishing places in the last 20 years and tell me what makes them a big club. The last time they finished in the top 4 was season 2004-2005 the time before that was 1987-1988.

They are a mid table team at best. When they are at their best they should be pushing for a Europa League place. If KT was to go to them it would need to be a very short stepping stone to a big club or he's grabbing the cash. I think he has more ambition than that. KT will not decide to go to Everton for the money.

However in answer to your last part it is obvious from BR's statement that the decision will not be his alone...

Brendan Rodgers on Kieran Tierney:

“It will be down to the club in the end. If an astronomical fee comes in for a player and he has wages to match that, the transfer window can dictate he may have to go.”
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If he goes for 20-25 million we should forget it
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1012946391621165057/photo/1

Celtic Twitter put that up this morning

Coincidence ?
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KT is on a far greater package at CP than most suspect. The headline " weekly wage" is almost the least significant part of his deal. This is the way we manage to hold on to talents like Brown , Rogic, Sinclair etc and how we manage to sign outstanding talents like Dembele, Ntcham and Eduoard.
This system of paying relatively moderate basic salaries and loading the contract with Bonuses helps maintain unity in the squad, and keeps the best talents happy.
It should be given far more consideration when people talk about us being " loaded" or "awash with cash" as is regularly assumed.
However, as I posted in the transfer thread, the other side of the Tierney coin is that the PLC have to guard their major assets, and the John Kennedy comparison works as much for the club as it does for KT.
We won't sell Tierney to Everton for 25m, but it will be interesting to see who else this flushes out.
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30 Jun 2018, 08:35 AM
I’m not saying he will go , but there are people with KT’s circle who are telling him he should go .

Ki was on £12k with us and went straight to £35k with Swansea. Virgil has increased his wages by 20 times in the last 5 years .

Neither were Celtic fans , but for just about every player , money is important . It should be important , it’s their career. Easy to say KT is a Celtic fan he’ll never go.

Think about what that means . KT will reject between £15 million and £20 million of EXTRA earnings to stay at Celtic

Would you recommend your son or brother to make that choice ?

If he follows the Virgil path then the sums become astronomical . Virgil has made an extra £40 M by leaving , he’s played in a CL final. If he stays fit and in form , his career earnings would be close to £100 million more than by staying at Celtic.

Thats not just life changing for the player , it’s life changing for his kids , their kids and their kids kids

Do we want KT to stay.......of course, but who in their right mind would dismiss that opportunity
He's already a millionaire at the age of 20. Scott Brown will manage to do just fine by his kids and their kids on the substantial money he earned over 10 years with us, probably 13 by the end of it.

VVD is probably a good example because aside from being a quality footballer he's also recognised as being a bit of a mercenary (while all footballers are professionals there are some for whom it's all about the money).

Tierney can make himself a legend at the club he loves or he can make himself rich(er) battling for scraps at Everton. Traditionally a big club or not, they're not going to win a league, probably won't qualify for Europe, certainly not the CL, and no team is going to worry in the slightest if they draw them in the cup.

Everything Tierney says and does would suggest he knows what he's got at Celtic, on and off the park. As for wages, if I work the rest of my life, I'll probably still earn less than Tierney does in a year at Celtic. So he's doing just fine I'd say.

I get Brendan's argument about John Kennedy and he also knows what it's like to be robbed of a football career, so I can see why that would shape his views.

However, we're cash rich beyond anything we've ever known. 25M is absolute chickenfeed to teams who earn free TV money by the bucketload, making Walter White look skint.

If astronomical means anything in this situation it means getting close to what Liverpool paid for VVD, not what Huddersfield or Stoke or whoever pay for a Championship nomark.

Until Tierney is beating down the door looking for a move, bids like this should be pissed on from a great height.

And, again, if the player doesn't want to leave but the agent is pressuring him - for their percentage rather than his benefit - then get the carrots fired. Nothing worse than some Tory carrot banging on about money every time you talk to them
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He won't go to Everton. He may leave for a top 5 or 6 club but not Everton. I'd imagine he's probably on 25k pw after signing that contract, so the 40k pw life changing figure seems conservative at best. A 25m player doesn't earn 40k pw in England. I honestly think £25m is far too low. He's an incredible talent.
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fatboab
30 Jun 2018, 09:19 AM
KT is on a far greater package at CP than most suspect. The headline " weekly wage" is almost the least significant part of his deal. This is the way we manage to hold on to talents like Brown , Rogic, Sinclair etc and how we manage to sign outstanding talents like Dembele, Ntcham and Eduoard.
This system of paying relatively moderate basic salaries and loading the contract with Bonuses helps maintain unity in the squad, and keeps the best talents happy.
It should be given far more consideration when people talk about us being " loaded" or "awash with cash" as is regularly assumed.
However, as I posted in the transfer thread, the other side of the Tierney coin is that the PLC have to guard their major assets, and the John Kennedy comparison works as much for the club as it does for KT.
We won't sell Tierney to Everton for 25m, but it will be interesting to see who else this flushes out.
Didn't the accounts have £30million or so sitting in them? If that's right (and my memory could well be wrong) we've managed to get to this position while paying bonus, wages, stadium redevelopment and everything else. After all that was done, we had the money in the bank.

If you're last sentence is near the mark, then it suggests we're actively trying to sell him at what we consider his peak. Which, surely, it's obvious to everyone this is nowhere near that point in his Celtic career? It also smacks of what happened in January with Dembele, when the word was we were trying to punt him while he was more than happy to stay where he was. Didn't stop fans rounding on him for his attitude though.

Maybe we need to question the attitude of those running the club, again. Said it before plenty of times, if Peter Lawwell was in charge, he'd have snapped Man Utd's hand off for £10m in 2001 or whenever it was and driven him down there himself. There would have been no Seville and we'd have been told that it was money a club like Celtic simply couldn't afford to turn down, while being able to watch the player at his peak banging them in for Man Utd.

Celtic are in the driving seat with all these negotiations. Until Tierney or anyone else is banging down the door looking for a move, all this chat should be brushed aside by the club. The players have long contracts and that's that. If a player gets to his last two years and it's clear he doesn't want to stay, then work out a deal that works for all parties and they move on.

What's 'moral' and what's not, should be kept as private discussion.

Flushing other bidders out means we are simply being a selling club, often going against the player's wishes. We've had it before and it look like nothing's changed on that front.

If we want to hold onto players, we need to get the CL money in. A blind guy running for a bus can see we need defenders. Yet, once again, we gamble on qualification by 'going with what we've got' to get us through. Even if 'what we've got' were injured last year and at the World Cup this year.

Aye, we have a tidy stadium and new floodlight tricks will look good for telly or tourists or something. Actively selling players to pay for it is not the way to go. We'd have got by just fine without it.
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Rodgers' comments are pretty cut and dry really that if Everton come in with the expected bid they'll be accepting it.

You never know what their player will do but Everton can offer him 4 or 5 times the wage if they want to, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to knock that back even if you are a big fan.
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£25 million is eff all.

That’s how much Maddison just went for.

Eff off Everton.
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£50 million for starters.... We didn't start this stupid game. But we're not mugs either.
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30 Jun 2018, 09:55 AM
£25 million is eff all.

That’s how much Maddison just went for.

Eff off Everton.
Get that on letterheaded paper. Should be the official reply.
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30 Jun 2018, 09:18 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1012946391621165057/photo/1

Celtic Twitter put that up this morning

Coincidence ?
I don't think it is.




We might have a game today.
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KT to Everton ?

Wise up folks - he’s here for 10 in a row

And he’ll be the captain for it
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30 Jun 2018, 09:49 AM


Aye, we have a tidy stadium and new floodlight tricks will look good for telly or tourists or something. Actively selling players to pay for it is not the way to go. We'd have got by just fine without it.
we haven't sold anyone to pay for improvements. The floodlights fell below UEFA Standard and were an essential upgrade. BR himself insisted on the new pitch at a significant cost as part of his commitment to the club, to help with the style of play he wants.
Sure, we could get by with never changing stuff, but you don't have to look far to see where that gets you. We won't sell KT this summer unless we get a completely off the scale number, but we will always be a selling club while we exist in this environment. That's simply reality.
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If I had to stick my neck on the line, I’d say Kieran Tierney will still be a Celtic player come September.
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£25m for Tierney? eff off.

Good left backs are very hard to come by.

This left back is particularly good and has international and champions league experience and isn't anywhere near the end of his contract.

If no mark clubs in England want to throw £25m at championship level players then we should be asking for way more for one of the best talents we've ever produced through our youth system.

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The club may well accept a bid for that kind of fee but it doesn't mean that KT will leave this summer. I suspect he'll go for the ten and then leave with our best wishes.
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Paul Joyce, who is the most sourced journo out there when it comes to Everton, in The Times. For what it's worth...

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Tierney is understood to be interested in a move that would make him Marco Silva’s first signing, but the 21-year-old will not agitate to leave the Scottish champions, who have given him the platform to launch his burgeoning career.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/88965526-7bd7-11e8-8b01-f67602c33163
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30 Jun 2018, 09:08 AM
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30 Jun 2018, 08:35 AM
I’m not saying he will go , but there are people with KT’s circle who are telling him he should go .

Ki was on £12k with us and went straight to £35k with Swansea. Virgil has increased his wages by 20 times in the last 5 years .

Neither were Celtic fans , but for just about every player , money is important . It should be important , it’s their career. Easy to say KT is a Celtic fan he’ll never go.

Think about what that means . KT will reject between £15 million and £20 million of EXTRA earnings to stay at Celtic

Would you recommend your son or brother to make that choice ?

If he follows the Virgil path then the sums become astronomical . Virgil has made an extra £40 M by leaving , he’s played in a CL final. If he stays fit and in form , his career earnings would be close to £100 million more than by staying at Celtic.

Thats not just life changing for the player , it’s life changing for his kids , their kids and their kids kids

Do we want KT to stay.......of course, but who in their right mind would dismiss that opportunity
He's already a millionaire at the age of 20. Scott Brown will manage to do just fine by his kids and their kids on the substantial money he earned over 10 years with us, probably 13 by the end of it.

VVD is probably a good example because aside from being a quality footballer he's also recognised as being a bit of a mercenary (while all footballers are professionals there are some for whom it's all about the money).

Tierney can make himself a legend at the club he loves or he can make himself rich(er) battling for scraps at Everton. Traditionally a big club or not, they're not going to win a league, probably won't qualify for Europe, certainly not the CL, and no team is going to worry in the slightest if they draw them in the cup.

Everything Tierney says and does would suggest he knows what he's got at Celtic, on and off the park. As for wages, if I work the rest of my life, I'll probably still earn less than Tierney does in a year at Celtic. So he's doing just fine I'd say.

I get Brendan's argument about John Kennedy and he also knows what it's like to be robbed of a football career, so I can see why that would shape his views.

However, we're cash rich beyond anything we've ever known. 25M is absolute chickenfeed to teams who earn free TV money by the bucketload, making Walter White look skint.

If astronomical means anything in this situation it means getting close to what Liverpool paid for VVD, not what Huddersfield or Stoke or whoever pay for a Championship nomark.

Until Tierney is beating down the door looking for a move, bids like this should be pissed on from a great height.

And, again, if the player doesn't want to leave but the agent is pressuring him - for their percentage rather than his benefit - then get the carrots fired. Nothing worse than some Tory carrot banging on about money every time you talk to them
There’s a lot here that I agree with but a few points occur to me.

We need to be cash rich especially at this time of year. Celtic have massive wages and overheads compared to other clubs outwith the big leagues.

And most folk would buy in to the idea that we should develop players and sell on for a massive profit where possible. It’s j st a bit of a pisser when a top talent leaves.

It looks like there could be a bidding war and KT and the club will have a difficult choice to make. I wonder if a sale and a season long loan back might happen. Would cushion the blow a little.

The only way around this would be an escape from the SPFL or a collapse in EPL revenues. Neither look likely.
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