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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,681 Views)
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30 Mar 2018, 11:41 PM
He's certainly the best player to come through the ranks since McGeady. And he has already achieved a lot in his short Celtic career, and also captained his country.

I just hope he is with us for a good few seasons yet.
Is this the epitome of damning with faint praise :ponder:
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30 Mar 2018, 11:41 PM
He's certainly the best player to come through the ranks since McGeady. And he has already achieved a lot in his short Celtic career, and also captained his country.

I just hope he is with us for a good few seasons yet.
Is this the epitome of damning with faint praise :ponder:
Not really. James Forrest is a regular pick for his country and the champions of his country. He's a top player, even if a few people don't appreciate that.

We've produced and moved on scores of players who although haven't been good enough for Celtic have made decent careers at decent levels.

Yes, it could always have even better but ts' statement isn't disparaging to our system or any other player. KT is a genuine excitement.
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Nobody is denying Tierney has had a great start to his Celtic career.

He has shown no signs of being 'world class' - any one who thinks he has is living in a different planet or has a very different definition of world class to me.

Barcelona and Real Madrid's. I haven't even bothered to look at any other squad.
I'm saying that when Danny was KT's age most people hadn't seen him kick a ball, we've see KT play well at the top level and captain his country. He has all the physical and mental attributes to be one on the best in the world by he time he peaks, which is a long way off.

Madrid don't have one, Nacho or someone else has to play there out of position. It's Digne at Barca who is very good, better than KT as it stands but I still wouldn't swap him, he probably doesn't even know he words to any rebs.
Football has changed since Danny McGrain was 20.

Here's the truth - genuine world class players or players who have the potential to be world class at 20 year old are not playing for Celtic.

Madrid have Theo Hernandez as back up left back.

Also, Dani Alves was not a weak defender. In his prime he pocketed one of the greatest players to ever play the game regularly.
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30 Mar 2018, 10:06 PM
Still looking for the post that said he's the greatest left back in the world. Cannot find it. Must have missed that one.

Ntcham and Dembele are regarded amongst the best young talent in France. KT does not look out of place on the pitch with those two, easily comparable.

I think any 'elite' team in the world, where Kieran and any other left back are competing for a place, would eventually give the left back slot to Kieran.
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I'm saying that when Danny was KT's age most people hadn't seen him kick a ball, we've see KT play well at the top level and captain his country. He has all the physical and mental attributes to be one on the best in the world by he time he peaks, which is a long way off.

Madrid don't have one, Nacho or someone else has to play there out of position. It's Digne at Barca who is very good, better than KT as it stands but I still wouldn't swap him, he probably doesn't even know he words to any rebs.
Football has changed since Danny McGrain was 20.

Here's the truth - genuine world class players or players who have the potential to be world class at 20 year old are not playing for Celtic.

Madrid have Theo Hernandez as back up left back.

Also, Dani Alves was not a weak defender. In his prime he pocketed one of the greatest players to ever play the game regularly.
Of course it has and he trained with Jinky and Lennox every day but KT by that age has loads of European experience already and has played well against some very good sides. His potential is huge.

That's not true at all, not all world class youngsters are hoovered up by Chelsea and Juve by age 20.

I've never heard of him, you think he's better than KT?

I never mentioned Alves, but I agree. Like Izzy he got stick over his defending because he was out of position often, because their attacking play was a huge part of how their teams lined up.
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30 Mar 2018, 11:41 PM
He's certainly the best player to come through the ranks since McGeady. And he has already achieved a lot in his short Celtic career, and also captained his country.

I just hope he is with us for a good few seasons yet.
Is this the epitome of damning with faint praise :ponder:
Not really. James Forrest is a regular pick for his country and the champions of his country. He's a top player, even if a few people don't appreciate that.

We've produced and moved on scores of players who although haven't been good enough for Celtic have made decent careers at decent levels.

Yes, it could always have even better but ts' statement isn't disparaging to our system or any other player. KT is a genuine excitement.
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Not sure I get your point (or that you get mine)?

If it had been said; the best player to come through the 'ranks' since Paul McStay, I'd certainly be on board with it :)

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I've said it before , but it bears repeating. People comparing KT to Danny McGrain never saw Danny McGrain.

KT is an excellent prospect, a genuinely talented young player, but he's miles off what some claim for him. Will he get there? Who knows. If he continues to keep the head and learn , then he has a real chance, but we've seen good players getting their heads turned too many times to be confident that KT will be different.
For now, we should be glad he's ours, and hope that he stays for a while and continues to improve. Maybe sometime soon he'll learn to play in the CL. :ph43r:
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepHe's certainly the best player to come through the ranks since McGeadydamning with faint praise :ponder:
Not really. James Forrest is a regular pick for his country and the champions of his country. He's a top player, even if a few people don't appreciate that.

We've produced and moved on scores of players who although haven't been good enough for Celtic have made decent careers at decent levels.

Yes, it could always have even better but ts' statement isn't disparaging to our system or any other player. KT is a genuine excitement.
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Not sure I get your point (or that you get mine)?

If it had been said; the best player to come through the 'ranks' since Paul McStay, I'd certainly be on board with it :)

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I see :thumbsup:

No I didn't get your point :lol:
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31 Mar 2018, 09:52 AM
I've said it before , but it bears repeating. People comparing KT to Danny McGrain never saw Danny McGrain.

KT is an excellent prospect, a genuinely talented young player, but he's miles off what some claim for him. Will he get there? Who knows. If he continues to keep the head and learn , then he has a real chance, but we've seen good players getting their heads turned too many times to be confident that KT will be different.
For now, we should be glad he's ours, and hope that he stays for a while and continues to improve. Maybe sometime soon he'll learn to play in the CL. :ph43r:
I didn't and I'm not comparing him to McGrain, a player who everyone agreed was world class, I'm saying with the brilliant start to KT's career I don't think it's too out there to think he could hit that level if he keeps improving.
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31 Mar 2018, 09:52 AM
I've said it before , but it bears repeating. People comparing KT to Danny McGrain never saw Danny McGrain.

KT is an excellent prospect, a genuinely talented young player, but he's miles off what some claim for him. Will he get there? Who knows. If he continues to keep the head and learn , then he has a real chance, but we've seen good players getting their heads turned too many times to be confident that KT will be different.
For now, we should be glad he's ours, and hope that he stays for a while and continues to improve. Maybe sometime soon he'll learn to play in the CL. :ph43r:
I didn't and I'm not comparing him to McGrain, a player who everyone agreed was world class, I'm saying with the brilliant start to KT's career I don't think it's too out there to think he could hit that level if he keeps improving.
I've seen too many great young prospects at Celtic who, for one reason or another, never fulfilled their early potential. I'm thinking about the likes of McClauchlin, McGeady, Maloney, Donnelly, Kennedy, Burchill, Watt and others. All of these players excited us and made us talk of what they might achieve. Some had it taken away from them, others gave it away. I'll reserve judgement on KT for now, but he has the potential to be great. No doubt about that.
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31 Mar 2018, 08:18 AM
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31 Mar 2018, 03:20 AM
One of Tierneys big strengths is he can play any system. Through him into a top attacking team and he would prosper. Through him into a Chelsea, Juve etc and he would prosper. He is a top player at 20. By the time the kid is mid 20s he is going to be one of the best, injury permitting
Most fullbacks these days are basically failed wingers. Defensively they’re usually pretty weak (Dani Alves is a prime example of this). Tierney is pretty solid as a defender and is more than capable going forward. I’m not going to claim he’s World class but there’s potential there to go to perform to a much higher level.
I agree, the potential is there. He's just not at that level yet.
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31 Mar 2018, 09:52 AM
I've said it before , but it bears repeating. People comparing KT to Danny McGrain never saw Danny McGrain.

KT is an excellent prospect, a genuinely talented young player, but he's miles off what some claim for him. Will he get there? Who knows. If he continues to keep the head and learn , then he has a real chance, but we've seen good players getting their heads turned too many times to be confident that KT will be different.
For now, we should be glad he's ours, and hope that he stays for a while and continues to improve. Maybe sometime soon he'll learn to play in the CL. :ph43r:
I didn't and I'm not comparing him to McGrain, a player who everyone agreed was world class, I'm saying with the brilliant start to KT's career I don't think it's too out there to think he could hit that level if he keeps improving.
I've seen too many great young prospects at Celtic who, for one reason or another, never fulfilled their early potential. I'm thinking about the likes of McClauchlin, McGeady, Maloney, Donnelly, Kennedy, Burchill, Watt and others. All of these players excited us and made us talk of what they might achieve. Some had it taken away from them, others gave it away. I'll reserve judgement on KT for now, but he has the potential to be great. No doubt about that.
Of course, long way to go but I just think there's something special about him. His attitude as much as his talent will make him one of the best in his position.

I dont think any of those were anywhere near KT's level, the last YT player I really thought would be top class was Kennedy, he made it look easy.
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I've seen too many great young prospects at Celtic who, for one reason or another, never fulfilled their early potential. I'm thinking about the likes of McClauchlin, McGeady, Maloney, Donnelly, Kennedy, Burchill, Watt and others. All of these players excited us and made us talk of what they might achieve. Some had it taken away from them, others gave it away. I'll reserve judgement on KT for now, but he has the potential to be great. No doubt about that.
Of course, long way to go but I just think there's something special about him. His attitude as much as his talent will make him one of the best in his position.

I dont think any of those were anywhere near KT's level, the last YT player I really thought would be top class was Kennedy, he made it look easy.
so you don't think any of them were near KT's potential but Kennedy was. :lol:

You obviously never saw Brian McLauchlin ( sp?)then. He was special but got a career threatening injury and never fully recovered, in much the same way as Ian Durrant.
Aiden McGeady for a while looked like he might go all the way to the top, as did Shaun Maloney, but neither really pushed on from Celtic. That's why it's so hard to predict what happens to a young guy like KT. hHe has a lot going for him at the moment, so let's hope he continues to progress. World Class? nah, not even close for now.
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Aiden Mcgeady had so much potential, that despite having a good career and being a millionaire, he should have done so much more.
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Football has changed since Danny McGrain was 20.

Here's the truth - genuine world class players or players who have the potential to be world class at 20 year old are not playing for Celtic.

Madrid have Theo Hernandez as back up left back.

Also, Dani Alves was not a weak defender. In his prime he pocketed one of the greatest players to ever play the game regularly.
Of course it has and he trained with Jinky and Lennox every day but KT by that age has loads of European experience already and has played well against some very good sides. His potential is huge.

That's not true at all, not all world class youngsters are hoovered up by Chelsea and Juve by age 20.

I've never heard of him, you think he's better than KT?

I never mentioned Alves, but I agree. Like Izzy he got stick over his defending because he was out of position often, because their attacking play was a huge part of how their teams lined up.
How many Real Madrid fans do you think have heard of Kieran Tierney, or know anything about him? They paid 24m for him.

It is true. Players hit their peak much earlier than they used to. Maybe there is still some players who will break the mould but if you've played over 100 games and that talent was as obvious as you are suggesting then he'd have been signed up by someone by now.

The question is - how many of those European games has Tierney played well in?
Edited by Ste, 31 Mar 2018, 11:42 AM.
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Of course, long way to go but I just think there's something special about him. His attitude as much as his talent will make him one of the best in his position.

I dont think any of those were anywhere near KT's level, the last YT player I really thought would be top class was Kennedy, he made it look easy.
so you don't think any of them were near KT's potential but Kennedy was. :lol:

You obviously never saw Brian McLauchlin ( sp?)then. He was special but got a career threatening injury and never fully recovered, in much the same way as Ian Durrant.
Aiden McGeady for a while looked like he might go all the way to the top, as did Shaun Maloney, but neither really pushed on from Celtic. That's why it's so hard to predict what happens to a young guy like KT. hHe has a lot going for him at the moment, so let's hope he continues to progress. World Class? nah, not even close for now.
Also worth bearing in mind Danny was a world class full back in an era where Scotland produced far better players, KT perhaps sticks out just now ( at International level anyway) because Scotland has such a dearth of talented players
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Aiden Mcgeady had so much potential, that despite having a good career and being a millionaire, he should have done so much more.
He was also a bit of a dick :ph43r:
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348 goals wasn’t it?
The 348th goal conceded was at one of the games Dempele couldn't be bothered going to
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I'm saying that when Danny was KT's age most people hadn't seen him kick a ball, we've see KT play well at the top level and captain his country. He has all the physical and mental attributes to be one on the best in the world by he time he peaks, which is a long way off.

Madrid don't have one, Nacho or someone else has to play there out of position. It's Digne at Barca who is very good, better than KT as it stands but I still wouldn't swap him, he probably doesn't even know he words to any rebs.
Football has changed since Danny McGrain was 20.

Here's the truth - genuine world class players or players who have the potential to be world class at 20 year old are not playing for Celtic.

Madrid have Theo Hernandez as back up left back.

Also, Dani Alves was not a weak defender. In his prime he pocketed one of the greatest players to ever play the game regularly.
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There is definitely and understandably an element of the support who go over the top with KT, he's a Celtic daft kid who is living the dream and performing with remarkable consistency. At the same time there is also a minority who like to be seen as lone wolves and go out of their way to find faults.

He's a great young player and to have played the amount of football he has at such a young age is incredible. He has areas of his game that can improve, particularly in terms of being more composed in possession in his own half but that is something that will hopefully come with even more experience.
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