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Kieran Tierney; Wins Young Player of the Year & Goal of the Season
Topic Started: 28 Dec 2015, 02:51 PM (687,785 Views)
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23 Mar 2017, 01:26 PM

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No, he's not.

There's not much in it between them at all.

KT will get better but either people are clouded due to the fact he's one of us or are totally underestimating/ blinded to Izzy's ability.



Including Rodgers eh? It was telling that, despite Izaguirre filling in perfectly well, when Tierney was back fit he was straight into the team. That has been one of the exceptions in similar circumstances under this manager and tells you all you need to know about the two.
I'm not disputing KT is the better option.

What I won't agree with is people saying he's miles ahead of Izzy, which he isn't .
Edited by Kingslim, 23 Mar 2017, 06:07 PM.
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Including Rodgers eh? It was telling that, despite Izaguirre filling in perfectly well, when Tierney was back fit he was straight into the team. That has been one of the exceptions in similar circumstances under this manager and tells you all you need to know about the two.
I'm not disputing KT is the better option.

What I won't agree with is people saying he's miles ahead of Izzy, which he isn't .
If we spend most of the time on the attack then one of the things that's good in Teirney's game and poor in Izzy's is showcased more so maybe that's skewing some opinions of the two. The European games will have done the same thing but the opposite way around.
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Arsenal supposedly going to biin the summer. Much as i dont want to stop players furthering their careers , tell em to get lost Celtic. KT's time will come but he is better developing his game here under Brendan first. Ask again in 3 years time .
Or how about he achieves what he wants in his career at Celtic?
with many players down there on the gravy boat getting at least 4 times what we can pay i dont see it happening , much as i'd like to be wrong . I think realistically if we get players that can move up into that type of wage bracket we will struggle to keep then long term . We all know KT's one of us but its a short career , give us another 3 years and keep developing is as much as i think we can expect.
He has done nothing to suggest that this is going to be a guarenteed fate. Why dont ye try having a bit of belief, you might enjoy it.
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23 Mar 2017, 05:29 PM

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I'm not disputing KT is the better option.

What I won't agree with is people saying he's miles ahead of Izzy, which he isn't .
If we spend most of the time on the attack then one of the things that's good in Teirney's game and poor in Izzy's is showcased more so maybe that's skewing some opinions of the two. The European games will have done the same thing but the opposite way around.


Izzy hasn't really had a chance to show himself in this side to be fair to him. If he did he would look great since we normally don't put any crosses in :lol:

Both are very good players and I'm not suggesting Izzy should be first choice. I just don't subscribe to those saying he's by far the better player.

KT has serious potential and could go on to be twice the player Izzy is/was - but dealing with the here and now there isn't a lot between them imo.
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If we spend most of the time on the attack then one of the things that's good in Teirney's game and poor in Izzy's is showcased more so maybe that's skewing some opinions of the two. The European games will have done the same thing but the opposite way around.


Izzy hasn't really had a chance to show himself in this side to be fair to him. If he did he would look great since we normally don't put any crosses in :lol:

Both are very good players and I'm not suggesting Izzy should be first choice. I just don't subscribe to those saying he's by far the better player.

KT has serious potential and could go on to be twice the player Izzy is/was - but dealing with the here and now there isn't a lot between them imo.
One of my early criticisms of Dembele was that he was never right on the defender's shoulder to get on the end of a cross, he always hung back a bit.

Now he's still hanging back and the likes of KT are playing cutbacks for him to score loads of goals :lol: :lol: I think I was trying to coach the wrong guy

Back on topic I think Izzy has looked better going forward under Rodgers, though as you say he's not had a great run of games to show this consistently.
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Including Rodgers eh? It was telling that, despite Izaguirre filling in perfectly well, when Tierney was back fit he was straight into the team. That has been one of the exceptions in similar circumstances under this manager and tells you all you need to know about the two.
I'm not disputing KT is the better option.

What I won't agree with is people saying he's miles ahead of Izzy, which he isn't .
Izzy had an amazing first season, then injuries hampered him. He came in when KT was injured and deputised well.

I don't think there is a Celtic supporter who hasn't got good things to say about Izzy, however KT is not only a great prospect but by far our best left back at the club.

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I'm not disputing KT is the better option.

What I won't agree with is people saying he's miles ahead of Izzy, which he isn't .
Izzy had an amazing first season, then injuries hampered him. He came in when KT was injured and deputised well.

I don't think there is a Celtic supporter who hasn't got good things to say about Izzy, however KT is not only a great prospect but by far our best left back at the club.

I agree - when Izzy came back in I think he played very well, in a way that he had improved under Rodger's coaching (like so many others) but despite the improvement - sadly he didn't win the jersey ahead of Tierney. And the truth is that Tierney produces a better final ball consistently.
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Izzy done a decent job while KT was injured, but he's been a liability more often than not over the last couple of years.
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Not too many left backs can do what he done yesterday, rather looking forward to seeing him in a midfield role soon! It was a great move by Strachan and innovative judging by the reaction of many, don't see the natural LB to RB conversion every day due to lefties generally being so one footed.

Another feather in the cap and he'll probably be receiving offers that we can't compete with already, as with any quality player I'd rather have them at Celtic than the dough but realistically it will be difficult, this is the type of talent the top clubs will be drooling over.










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Thought he was excellent last night. Bailed Martin and Mulgrew out a number of times.
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Thought he was excellent last night. Bailed Martin and Mulgrew out a number of times.
He really was, admittedly I only caught the second half. Seemed to be going by players with a real burst of pace when pushing forward, and he now looks really strong after bulking up too.

He's future captain material for me. Growing in stature every week as a player. Fair play to Ronnie for sticking him in at a young age. Definitely played a positive role in his development.
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Not too many left backs can do what he done yesterday, rather looking forward to seeing him in a midfield role soon! It was a great move by Strachan and innovative judging by the reaction of many, don't see the natural LB to RB conversion every day due to lefties generally being so one footed.

Another feather in the cap and he'll probably be receiving offers that we can't compete with already, as with any quality player I'd rather have them at Celtic than the dough but realistically it will be difficult, this is the type of talent the top clubs will be drooling over.










It would be verging on madness to move Tierney into a central* midfield position at this point in his career.


*Assume you mean central as Celtic or Scotland do not play with wide left midfielders.
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He was superb last night.
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Not too many left backs can do what he done yesterday, rather looking forward to seeing him in a midfield role soon! It was a great move by Strachan and innovative judging by the reaction of many, don't see the natural LB to RB conversion every day due to lefties generally being so one footed.

Another feather in the cap and he'll probably be receiving offers that we can't compete with already, as with any quality player I'd rather have them at Celtic than the dough but realistically it will be difficult, this is the type of talent the top clubs will be drooling over.










It would be verging on madness to move Tierney into a central* midfield position at this point in his career.


*Assume you mean central as Celtic or Scotland do not play with wide left midfielders.
I dunno about verging on madness as he'd probably stroll it at CM too, but I was just kidding :thumbsup:
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I might be misremembering it, but some of his best defensive moments were headed clearances that the CBs really should have been making. Not what I would expect from KT. At RB he looked quite one footed and was still using his left for nearly every first touch and pass so hopefully it was an emergency cover kinda thing and not something we plan to repeat when a fuller squad is available.

Credit to him though, that was a bloody good performance as a kid being played out of position in a must win game.
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Thought he was excellent last night. Bailed Martin and Mulgrew out a number of times.
:thumbsup: Given how uncomfortable he looked at times having to play right footed he was brilliant. Hopefully though it was a one off. Get him causing havoc down his natural side.

I thought he should have been switched in the second half as we where causing their right back a lot of problems. Posted at HT. Thought KT should have been given a go at him.
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I might be misremembering it, but some of his best defensive moments were headed clearances that the CBs really should have been making. Not what I would expect from KT. At RB he looked quite one footed and was still using his left for nearly every first touch and pass so hopefully it was an emergency cover kinda thing and not something we plan to repeat when a fuller squad is available.

Credit to him though, that was a bloody good performance as a kid being played out of position in a must win game.
He was better defending crosses than the CBs.
Unless new and better CBs appear in the next 2 months, I think the right back position is his.
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I might be misremembering it, but some of his best defensive moments were headed clearances that the CBs really should have been making. Not what I would expect from KT. At RB he looked quite one footed and was still using his left for nearly every first touch and pass so hopefully it was an emergency cover kinda thing and not something we plan to repeat when a fuller squad is available.

Credit to him though, that was a bloody good performance as a kid being played out of position in a must win game.
Going to get the Danny McGrain treatment then at international level, moved from his natural position to accommodate an inferior player.

I actually think Robertson is half decent and unfortunately we don't appear to have a capable RB for the national team atm.
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He was excellent last night. Bloody typical we have 2 great left backs and no right back but he's proved he can comfortably play there. Fans around me at the game were extolling both he and Armstrong throughout. The booing of Martin however was pathetic.
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I might be misremembering it, but some of his best defensive moments were headed clearances that the CBs really should have been making. Not what I would expect from KT. At RB he looked quite one footed and was still using his left for nearly every first touch and pass so hopefully it was an emergency cover kinda thing and not something we plan to repeat when a fuller squad is available.

Credit to him though, that was a bloody good performance as a kid being played out of position in a must win game.
Going to get the Danny McGrain treatment then at international level, moved from his natural position to accommodate an inferior player.

I actually think Robertson is half decent and unfortunately we don't appear to have a capable RB for the national team atm.
I suppose if it does happen, and it gives him practice of playing at RB it gives us extra cover at club level but Scotland need to find a proper RB. Agree that Robertson's a decent enough player but you could see teams targeting our full backs if we play 2 quite short guys there in Tierney & Robertson.

I wonder on what basis Strachan chose Tierney to switch over rather than Robertson...
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