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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,209 Views)
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Looking at Armstrong the main improvement is fitness. I questioned his stamina when he arrived and said throughout that this was his main issue. Same with GMS and Rogic.

The obviously have worked extremely hard to get themselves up to the required level. The potential has always been there. Poor fitness leads to bad decisions, poor touches and ultimately low confidence.

Brendan has obviously noticed this and got them all up to the required level of fitness and instilled the belief in them to go and make an impact.





Absolutely. He's just so, so fit. You can see he's got the confidence to go and get involved because he knows he can last the game - whether it's getting beyond the last man, looking to beat someone, trying to make some space to make something happened, whatever.

His second goal last night was absolutely sumptuous. And on his wrong(!) foot as well.
I wasn't far away from where he hit it and at the time I thought it was an amazing goal but having now seen it on TV I think Cerny will be disappointed he didn't save it.

Still a cracking hit all the same and it did come through a ruck of players.

Griffiths goal was a thing of beauty
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Happy to admit that I wanted him gone last season. But he's showing what he offers under BR and in a central role. That Deila couldnt see the potential he had says a lot.
Deila couldn't see his potential? Is that why he signed him from Dundee United and started him against Inter Milan a
a few weeks later?

Armstrong was bothered by a recurring back injury for much of last season, and that could explain his 'loss of form'/ lack of games.

Deila can be accused of many things, but I think he liked Armstrong as a player.

Deila effed up many of our players. Stuart was just one of them. He was clueless how to use him and his development/contribution suffered.
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Happy to admit that I wanted him gone last season. But he's showing what he offers under BR and in a central role. That Deila couldnt see the potential he had says a lot.
Deila couldn't see his potential? Is that why he signed him from Dundee United and started him against Inter Milan a
a few weeks later?

Armstrong was bothered by a recurring back injury for much of last season, and that could explain his 'loss of form'/ lack of games.

Deila can be accused of many things, but I think he liked Armstrong as a player.

Deila effed up many of our players. Stuart was just one of them. He was clueless how to use him and his development/contribution suffered.
Absolutely.

Armstrong was a great player with United and then regressed whilst with us.

All good now though.
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Blaming Ronny for Armstrong's failings - I'm not sure I agree. You need to remember it's a big step coming from Utd to Celtic mentally as well as physically.

For all Ronny's failings he must get credit for KT, Rogic and McGregor's impact in the first team.

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11 Dec 2016, 12:57 AM
Blaming Ronny for Armstrong's failings - I'm not sure I agree. You need to remember it's a big step coming from Utd to Celtic mentally as well as physically.

For all Ronny's failings he must get credit for KT, Rogic and McGregor's impact in the first team.

It's a big step, but Armstrong and GMS adapted very well to the team when they signed. I remember we were joking only former Dundee United couldn't score for us.
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Blaming Ronny for Armstrong's failings - I'm not sure I agree. You need to remember it's a big step coming from Utd to Celtic mentally as well as physically.

For all Ronny's failings he must get credit for KT, Rogic and McGregor's impact in the first team.

It's a big step, but Armstrong and GMS adapted very well to the team when they signed. I remember we were joking only former Dundee United couldn't score for us.
I remember him scoring on his debut at Thistle. Still felt both him and Mackay Steven didn't look up to it physically. Obviously Ronnys training regime didn't help them progress but not convinced he was the reason people think they regressed.

Armstrong wasn't going to move Bitton or Brown at that stage either, so was always going to be difficult for him in the early part of his career.

Delighted he's finally starting to fulfil his potential

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Blaming Ronny for Armstrong's failings - I'm not sure I agree. You need to remember it's a big step coming from Utd to Celtic mentally as well as physically.

For all Ronny's failings he must get credit for KT, Rogic and McGregor's impact in the first team.

Armstrong himself said last season that he was struggling mentally playing for Celtic. Some big players have also stated that they never realised the size and expectation until they got here.
It happens with a lot of players.
The whole position thing was done to death last season, then stats were posted showing that Armstrong had played most of his games on the left. Some people are also conveniently forgetting that he played in the middle last season as well and was shampooe.
There is still this constant need from some on here to blame Ronny for the failing of every player. I'd rather take the players word for it and he's previously stated the he had a back injury that he couldn't get rid of and was struggling mentally with playing for us.
The important thing is that he's now playing much better than before, which is all anyone should really care about.
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11 Dec 2016, 12:57 AM
Blaming Ronny for Armstrong's failings - I'm not sure I agree. You need to remember it's a big step coming from Utd to Celtic mentally as well as physically.

For all Ronny's failings he must get credit for KT, Rogic and McGregor's impact in the first team.

I'm not one for Ronnie bashing (I think he could be a really excellent PE teacher) but the difference with Armstrong under Deila and Rodgers is stark.

Ronnie signed him then played him out of position. He's unsurprisingly crap and there's a long debate on here whether he's good enough.

Brendan arrives, its on record he asked Stuart what position he see himself in. He is then played in central midfield and has been a revelation since he started playing every week.

Ronnie needs to take the blame for Armstrong's stuttering start - glad his career is taking off at Celtic. Could be a mainstay for many years.
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He plays with such pace and aggression now that I sometimes find myself for a second thinking who is that guy? when he pops up out of nowhere and filches the ball off an opposition player like someone taking sweeties off a wean. It's a joy to watch.
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Happy to admit that I wanted him gone last season. But he's showing what he offers under BR and in a central role. That Deila couldnt see the potential he had says a lot.
Deila couldn't see his potential? Is that why he signed him from Dundee United and started him against Inter Milan a
a few weeks later?

Armstrong was bothered by a recurring back injury for much of last season, and that could explain his 'loss of form'/ lack of games.

Deila can be accused of many things, but I think he liked Armstrong as a player.

Deila effed up many of our players. Stuart was just one of them. He was clueless how to use him and his development/contribution suffered.
That's true, but Deila definitely saw the potential.

He was talking him up before we signed him and was always in his teams. He didn't do that because he couldn't see his potential.
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I don't think Armstrong regressed as a footballer under Deila, I just think he was being played out of position. Wide left or right didn't suit his game and the head dipped. Looks a different player now.
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He's not the only player to have followed that pattern.
Edited by joebhoy95, 11 Dec 2016, 02:51 PM.
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So.
Don't need McCarthy then?
Certainly not for the fee/wage rumoured.
Not worth the difference in price/quality/contribution IMO.
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11 Dec 2016, 02:49 PM
I don't think Armstrong regressed as a footballer under Deila, I just think he was being played out of position. Wide left or right didn't suit his game and the head dipped. Looks a different player now.
Oddly enough he played a lot of games at Dundee Utd on the left. Different player now, exceeding expectations.
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11 Dec 2016, 07:30 PM
So.
Don't need McCarthy then?
Certainly not for the fee/wage rumoured.
Not worth the difference in price/quality/contribution IMO.
We still need additional midfielders, regardless of Armstrong's form.

McCarthy? Well depends on the price and wages, if the rumoured £15M from this morning is true we can forget it, not that he'd be worth forking out anywhere near that even if we could afford it.
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