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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,226 Views)
Luca
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Bob Loblaw
24 Nov 2016, 05:45 PM
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24 Nov 2016, 05:43 PM
Kingslim
24 Nov 2016, 05:36 PM

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His first touch is very strange, it's as if the ball is trapped slightly behind and under his body, meaning he almost has to drag it out from a back foot position every time he has to run / dribble with the ball.

Not sure if that description makes sense, but that's how i see it.
It doesn't but I know exactly what you mean. I think he tries to knock it forward into space but gets it stuck under his feet.
Watched a bunch of highlights of him there; it's his starting stance and running style that's going against him. Most players lean their upper body forward and slightly over the ball when running with it - the same is true when players control the ball, they adjust their upper body.

Stuart on the other hand has an almost perfectly vertical back at all times :lol: If you watch him he's very rigid in the upper body and his legs are having to do all the adjustment work, which is going against him.

I am aware of this overly analytical look at Stuart Armstrong's running style and posture, but it's late in the day and i've finished all my work.
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24 Nov 2016, 05:09 PM
He has potential but his touch let him down a few times last night. Against the best you;ll get punished. He put in a load of effort and covered loads of ground though. A useful player but Europe at this level is currently a little beyond huim.
His first touch is shambolic most of the time and often what puts him in trouble.
I dont agree. It just didnt work for him last night when it mattered. There's no way his forst touch should be described as "shambolic" and it certainly wouldn't apply for "most of the time" Thats just mad!
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24 Nov 2016, 05:42 PM
Didn't think he played badly last night :ponder:
He played well at times. He was full of enthusiasm and running and he didnt hide. His touch got him into bother a few times. He put in the effort to get back and recover the ball rather than throwing a strop though.
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At the moment I will take him occassionally giving the ball away over Bitton starting games for us. Hoping we can get a new CM in Jan. Until that happens I think we should stick with him.
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People giving it the 'he ran about lots' are doing him a total disservice. He ran about lots and in spells looked one of our better players, nice passes/driving runs and good tracking. He had plenty of poor passes and bad decision making thrown in for good measure but give the guy some credit ffs. He tried to be brave.
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Decent.

Ok at everything without excelling at anything. His adaptability also makes him a perfect squad player and he is Scottish too which helps.

Needs to change his boots though, falls in his arse at least twice in every game!
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24 Nov 2016, 05:09 PM
He has potential but his touch let him down a few times last night. Against the best you;ll get punished. He put in a load of effort and covered loads of ground though. A useful player but Europe at this level is currently a little beyond huim.
His first touch is shambolic most of the time and often what puts him in trouble.
I dont agree. It just didnt work for him last night when it mattered. There's no way his forst touch should be described as "shambolic" and it certainly wouldn't apply for "most of the time" Thats just mad!
He gives the ball away in every game he plays mainly due to a poor touch whether that's pulling it out the sky, running with the ball and at times even when he receiving a pass.

That part of his game hasn't improved.
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He fairly cleaned out Messi near the the end :lol: Right in front of Luis Enrique as well.
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The Anthony Stokes of our midfielders. Spectacular moments overshadow a fairly mediocre player. One of the most frustrating aspects about him is his inconsistent touch. He can controll it instantly at times under difficult circumstances and at others the ball just bounces off him like shrapnell.

Perhabs a sign that he lacks concentration in crucial moments or that he's easily put under pressure.
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He's basically turned into Stefan Johansen.

Does an awful lot of running but at the expense of adding quality when he gets on the ball.

Hopefully Brendan, unlike Ronny, can show Armstrong how to pick and choose when to burst a gut and when to conserve energy.

If you're blowing out your arse all the time sprinting around then you're doing something wrong.
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25 Nov 2016, 06:30 AM
He's basically turned into Stefan Johansen.

Does an awful lot of running but at the expense of adding quality when he gets on the ball.

Hopefully Brendan, unlike Ronny, can show Armstrong how to pick and choose when to burst a gut and when to conserve energy.

If you're blowing out your arse all the time sprinting around then you're doing something wrong.
He's a bit more productive than Johansen was tbf. His attitude and team work is also streets ahead of Stefan.
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Luca
25 Nov 2016, 10:14 AM
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25 Nov 2016, 06:30 AM
He's basically turned into Stefan Johansen.

Does an awful lot of running but at the expense of adding quality when he gets on the ball.

Hopefully Brendan, unlike Ronny, can show Armstrong how to pick and choose when to burst a gut and when to conserve energy.

If you're blowing out your arse all the time sprinting around then you're doing something wrong.
He's a bit more productive than Johansen was tbf. His attitude and team work is also streets ahead of Stefan.
I wasn't a big fan of Johansen but to say Armstrong is more productive than him is patent nonsense unless you are basing it solely on last season when they were both pish.
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remy mcswain
25 Nov 2016, 10:17 AM
Luca
25 Nov 2016, 10:14 AM
Hagi Bhoy
25 Nov 2016, 06:30 AM
He's basically turned into Stefan Johansen.

Does an awful lot of running but at the expense of adding quality when he gets on the ball.

Hopefully Brendan, unlike Ronny, can show Armstrong how to pick and choose when to burst a gut and when to conserve energy.

If you're blowing out your arse all the time sprinting around then you're doing something wrong.
He's a bit more productive than Johansen was tbf. His attitude and team work is also streets ahead of Stefan.
I wasn't a big fan of Johansen but to say Armstrong is more productive than him is patent nonsense unless you are basing it solely on last season when they were both pish.
Of course i'm basing it on last season.
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I wasn't a big fan of Johansen but to say Armstrong is more productive than him is patent nonsense unless you are basing it solely on last season when they were both pish.
Of course i'm basing it on last season.
Starting from a low base. If you compare it to Johansen's PotY season (whether I agreed with it or not), Armstrong is miles short.
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Of course i'm basing it on last season.
Starting from a low base. If you compare it to Johansen's PotY season (whether I agreed with it or not), Armstrong is miles short.
If you compare Johansen August-November in his POTY season with Armstrong this season there's not much in it. Johansen only really kicked on that season after Christmas that season.
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Of course i'm basing it on last season.
Starting from a low base. If you compare it to Johansen's PotY season (whether I agreed with it or not), Armstrong is miles short.
I'd be mental to claim Armstrong of present is better or more productive than POTY Johansen.

I was going by their most recent form in a Celtic shirt. Armstrong is still lacking and unlikely to cut it at CL level, but he's at least grafting and looking to be productive even if he lacks the consistency or ability to do so.

Johansen was mainly an empty jersey and more destructive than productive by the end of his time with us.
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24 Nov 2016, 10:02 PM
He gives the ball away in every game he plays mainly due to a poor touch whether that's pulling it out the sky, running with the ball and at times even when he receiving a pass.

That part of his game hasn't improved.
I have to disagree on his first touch - I actually think his close control is quite good. I don't remember him giving the ball away from a poor first touch; maybe I'm mistaken, but I remember his turnovers coming from bad passing, not a bad first touch. I do remember him wriggling out of tight situations under pressure, beating his man and driving forward.

As I've said before, I think he's got clear weaknesses and he really needs to work on his passing. But to say his first touch is "shambolic" is over the top, imo. Personally - I think it's generally good, with the odd mistake here and there.

If we were having this conversation last season, I'd probably agree with you more. I think he's improved this season though, whether just through confidence or practice, or a combination of both.
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Decent and strong but frustrating.
I do wonder why so many Scottish players regularly fail to do the simple things correctly..?
A lack of composure probably.
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I g to the feeling that now he's getting a fe games in the middle he's trying too hard and rushing things.

He's a good player.
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