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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,259 Views)
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krungthep
8 May 2016, 10:13 PM
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8 May 2016, 09:01 PM
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8 May 2016, 07:38 PM

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Revisionist?
You then go on to regale us with a story that is complete bollocks :lmao:
You seem to think adopting the tone of a keyboard hardman gives your ignorance a bit more clout.

It doesn't.
"Keyboard hard man" :lmao:

Yes, how ignorant of me to say Armstrong played on the left.
Keep posting mate, always good to have another lone ball on here :thumbsup:
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I fail to see why he is continually picked ahead of Commons
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8 May 2016, 10:21 PM
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You seem to think adopting the tone of a keyboard hardman gives your ignorance a bit more clout.

It doesn't.
"Keyboard hard man" :lmao:

Yes, how ignorant of me to say Armstrong played on the left.
Keep posting mate, always good to have another lone ball on here :thumbsup:
Lone ball.

Even your insults are nonsense.
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Heard Mark Wilson say on BBC Radio a few weeks ago that Armstrong was the biggest character in the Dundee Utd dressing room. Clearly that's not now the case at Lennoxtown. And may well explain why his season has been so poor this year. He has more to offer but doesn't have the status at this time.
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san meegs
8 May 2016, 10:13 PM
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8 May 2016, 09:42 PM

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Ive no idea why you are mentioning GMS at all. But yes I knew that he'd play wide as that's where he plays, he's a winger!

As for Armstrong, yes I expected him to play on the left as that's where he played with DU.
I wasn't alone in thinking that either, as it was mentioned multiple times by many different people that we finally had someone to play wide left.
The fact that he played on the left has been confirmed by many people on here now. Really have no idea why there's denial about it all?
That's where he played.
He actually played well last season for us there, now he's not playing well and it's the managers fault as he's playing out of position :ponder:
He also done an interview recently were he spoke about finding it mentally tough playing for us, nothing about playing out of position. He's struggling, it happens and he might not have the mentality to play for a club like ours.
I metioned GMS because when we signed the pair, I personally thought we were signing one wide player (GMS) and one predominately central player in Armstrong. Had I thought we were signing two players who would spend most of their time playing out wide, I probably wouldn't have been as keen on the move as I was at the time.

I'm not denying he played out there, or that he can do a shift there for us, as he is currently. In fact, I thought he was one of our better players in what was a very good all round team performance in today's first half.

However, when I saw him play for Utd against as and at various other points, I always felt his best work was done in a more central role. Given how much Deila has tinkered and tweaked the team this year, I think it's a reasonable suggestion to maybe have seen how he would have done in the middle :thumbsup:

He did play in the middle a few times this year, he wasn't very good and there was lots of moaning about misplaced passes, not being able to tackle and general hiding.

He was bought to play on the left, that's were he'd previously played and obviously played there for us.
When he's on the left he actually comes inside most of the game and will even appear on the right. Again this is something that people don't seem to want to acknowledge for some reason.

Also, from what I've seen Rogic is better as a 10 than him, so is McGregor and Christie.


Again, Armstrongs problem is mentality as he's spoke about himself. Fair play to him for actually taking about that as I can't remember any other player being so honest about that.
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8 May 2016, 10:23 PM
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"Keyboard hard man" :lmao:

Yes, how ignorant of me to say Armstrong played on the left.
Keep posting mate, always good to have another lone ball on here :thumbsup:
Lone ball.

Even your insults are nonsense.
Yaaaass
You going to keep posting then.
You know Armstrong plays on the left don't you :)
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8 May 2016, 10:35 PM
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Lone ball.

Even your insults are nonsense.
Yaaaass
You going to keep posting then.
You know Armstrong plays on the left don't you :)
Ha ha. Whatever.
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Yaaaass
You going to keep posting then.
You know Armstrong plays on the left don't you :)
Ha ha. Whatever.
It's good that you can admit he played on the left, was getting worried after your wee melt down.
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He played on the left a lot for United.

Attacking midfielders playing in the system we play (which most clubs nowadays use) need to be versatile enough to play across the three behind the striker. He might be playing on the left, but he's not being asked to play as an out-and-out winger, so he just needs to deal with it and start improving his performances.

He can't play in central midfield (i.e. where Bitton and McGregor played today). He doesn't have the right attributes.
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8 May 2016, 10:53 PM
He played on the left a lot for United.

Attacking midfielders playing in the system we play (which most clubs nowadays use) need to be versatile enough to play across the three behind the striker. He might be playing on the left, but he's not being asked to play as an out-and-out winger, so he just needs to deal with it and start improving his performances.

He can't play in central midfield (i.e. where Bitton and McGregor played today). He doesn't have the right attributes.
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Some people really struggle to understand that.
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whizzkid
8 May 2016, 10:21 PM
I fail to see why he is continually picked ahead of Commons
Commons has had as bad a season as Armstrong has. More pertinent to ask why Allan or Christie haven't been given more of a chance.
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8 May 2016, 10:52 PM
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Ha ha. Whatever.
It's good that you can admit he played on the left, was getting worried after your wee melt down.
Feel free to have the last word if it's important to you mate.

But in the face of the urban myth which is being repeatedly stated on here, and apparently taken as fact I'll finish with this.

Stuart Armstrong did not play left midfield for Dundee United.

Maybe in an emergency, not as a rule.

Celtic signed him as a central midfielder.
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Stuart Armstrong, 2013/14 Season:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stuart-armstrong/leistungsdaten/spieler/130765/plus/0?saison=2013

2014/15 Season:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stuart-armstrong/leistungsdaten/spieler/130765/plus/0?saison=2014
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8 May 2016, 11:14 PM
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8 May 2016, 10:50 PM

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It's good that you can admit he played on the left, was getting worried after your wee melt down.
Feel free to have the last word if it's important to you mate.

But in the face of the urban myth which is being repeatedly stated on here, and apparently taken as fact I'll finish with this.

Stuart Armstrong did not play left midfield for Dundee United.

Maybe in an emergency, not as a rule.

Celtic signed him as a central midfielder.
You're continually peddling this myth, he played on the left for DU.
Everyone knows that accept you apparently.

It's also great how you're stating stuff as if it's fact, when Armstrong himself has spoke of playing on the left :lmao:
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8 May 2016, 11:28 PM
So he played left mid then :lol:
This boy that's posting will just not acknowledge your post. It's what he's been doing to everyone else who has pointed out that he played left mid.
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I've got it now, if you play centre mid you automatically protect the ball better, bring other players into the game, pass the ball better and stop breaking our play up or maybe he's just not good enough.
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So he played left mid then :lol:
This boy that's posting will just not acknowledge your post. It's what he's been doing to everyone else who has pointed out that he played left mid.
Not really fussed that you and others think he was a left midfielder at Dundee United.

Or that Celtic signed him on the basis of reports gathered on a central midfielder.

Irrelevant and not worth falling out about.

The point is that he shouldn't be one with Celtic. He hates it and it shows.

As he said himself in Feb interview:

“I’ve been trying to play badly on the left...

“Seriously, I need to accept life on the left and everything that comes with it.

“There are good positive aspects to playing there, lots of attacking moves which I enjoy, shots at goal and runs in behind.

“It’s not as if being on the left is not a nice prospect, but, of course naturally, I’d prefer centre.

“That’s been challenging now and again.

“Naturally, I am a central midfielder, but we have a lot of competition in there.'
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I think some are getting a bit too caught up in the definition of a left midfielder and a central midfielder. It depends on how the team sets up, and the role of that player within the team.

Patrick Roberts (and Naka before him) played on the right of midfield, but were given freedom to narrow the midfield and create opportunities centrally by cutting in on their stronger foot. Not typical 'wide' right players who would have a primary responsibility to get to the byline and stretch the opposition by providing width.

Armstrong, playing on the 'left' the way we are set up is similar. He isn't being deployed as a winger as some have said. He is being played on the left of 3 central attacking players supporting a main striker, with an apparent freedom to cut inside and link with the other midfielders. The width in this instance would be provided by the fullback (which without Izzy, is possibly one of the areas that has hampered his effectiveness).

If he was played on the left of a 3 man midfield, he would still, depending on the focus of the team, be considered to be playing as a central midfielder.

It's not a good enough excuse from him to suggest that being played 'out of position' has been the reason for his poor form. Especially when he has played there before, often for us and for Dundee Utd, and also especially when he has performed well in this position.

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There are good positive aspects to playing there, lots of attacking moves which I enjoy, shots at goal and runs in behind.

It’s not as if being on the left is not a nice prospect, but, of course naturally, I’d prefer centre.


Clearly, playing on the left is a terrible, terrible thing for him.
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He's played in the centre a few times and been completely ineffective.
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8 May 2016, 11:59 PM
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8 May 2016, 11:28 PM
So he played left mid then :lol:
This boy that's posting will just not acknowledge your post. It's what he's been doing to everyone else who has pointed out that he played left mid.
Not really fussed that you and others think he was a left midfielder at Dundee United.

Or that Celtic signed him on the basis of reports gathered on a central midfielder.

Irrelevant and not worth falling out about.

The point is that he shouldn't be one with Celtic. He hates it and it shows.

As he said himself in Feb interview:

“I’ve been trying to play badly on the left...

“Seriously, I need to accept life on the left and everything that comes with it.

“There are good positive aspects to playing there, lots of attacking moves which I enjoy, shots at goal and runs in behind.

“It’s not as if being on the left is not a nice prospect, but, of course naturally, I’d prefer centre.

“That’s been challenging now and again.

“Naturally, I am a central midfielder, but we have a lot of competition in there.'
Aye mate, you just ignore those stats that show you're talking shampooe :lol:
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