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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,266 Views)
Bundy1967
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Thought he was quite honest about how he's struggling to adapt and knows he's not playing well it seems
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Think he's got until summer to save his career (at Celtic at least).

So much ability and was excellent when he joined and considering his size and build could and should be a nightmare for fullbacks. But he just looks disinterested and, well, pish recently. Absolutely shot of any confidence.

He needs dropped. Hopefully Ronny does a Griffiths on him.


Horrible seeing a player go through what Armstrong's going through; all the potential but just can't stop getting it wrong. Must be eating him up inside.

Edit: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/9219259/89/

Reading this makes me want to greet.
Edited by ChiliPepper, 21 Feb 2016, 04:01 AM.
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There's a player in there and don't think anyone should give up on him yet. The issues seems to be mental more than ability so that's something that can be overcome.
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21 Feb 2016, 04:35 AM
There's a player in there and don't think anyone should give up on him yet. The issues seems to be mental more than ability so that's something that can be overcome.
I think the biggest issue is where he is playing. It's obvious he's never going to make it on the left wing with us.
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Far too passive ... Not enough agression - he'll struggle until he gets that side of his game sorted
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The general consensus seems to be that Armstrong is a good player, but he's not showing it just now. Genuine question: what do people see as his best qualities? What is he good at? I can't think of one thing about him that stands out. I think I want him to be good, and I've sort of convinced myself along the same lines as everyone else, but I'm struggling to objectively justify my own opinion.
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21 Feb 2016, 01:17 PM
The general consensus seems to be that Armstrong is a good player, but he's not showing it just now. Genuine question: what do people see as his best qualities? What is he good at? I can't think of one thing about him that stands out. I think I want him to be good, and I've sort of convinced myself along the same lines as everyone else, but I'm struggling to objectively justify my own opinion.
He's a decent all-rounder but right now his touch and passing aren't good enough.
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He's bit like a poor man's Phil O'Donnell at the moment - should be more direct in his runs and scoring more
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21 Feb 2016, 01:17 PM
The general consensus seems to be that Armstrong is a good player, but he's not showing it just now. Genuine question: what do people see as his best qualities? What is he good at? I can't think of one thing about him that stands out. I think I want him to be good, and I've sort of convinced myself along the same lines as everyone else, but I'm struggling to objectively justify my own opinion.
I realised this about him a while back. I think putting him in the middle would be the worst thing we could do at the moment. I think his confidence is impacting the, fairly limited, ability he has.

We can't hang around waiting for him to grow a set and sort his head out, though.
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Was he MOTM against Inter?
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The Phil O'Donnell comparison isn't far off the mark. He's got great timing of runs to arrive in the box at the right time and should be up around 10 goals every season, maybe more. It's just not coming off for him at the moment. There's definitely a player there, but it's just all going wrong at the moment.
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21 Feb 2016, 01:17 PM
The general consensus seems to be that Armstrong is a good player, but he's not showing it just now. Genuine question: what do people see as his best qualities? What is he good at? I can't think of one thing about him that stands out. I think I want him to be good, and I've sort of convinced myself along the same lines as everyone else, but I'm struggling to objectively justify my own opinion.
Last season he was driving at players when he had the ball, made good runs into the box and had good vision. Seemed to pop up in the right areas. This season he looks well short of confidence, his passing and shooting have been poor. The poster above mentioned aggression, definitely something he lacks. Looked to be getting some form back a few weeks ago but he wouldn't make the bench if I was picking the team atm.
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Bought entirely on the strength of his best performances in the centre of the Dundee United midfield.

Has played almost solely on the left side of an attacking three.

Hard enough to settle in at Celtic without being played out of position.

He is deeply frustrated people are judging him in a position he never played in his life.

Rightly imho.
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Feel a bit for him - obviously not enjoying things.

Looks to be gripped by fear or lack of confidence - cannot hope to perform like that.

I would have said the same about GMS until recently but he seems to be finding his feet again.

Don't think it has helped him to be playing every week as his assurance ebbs away and the crowd gets grumpier with him.
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21 Feb 2016, 02:53 PM
Bought entirely on the strength of his best performances in the centre of the Dundee United midfield.

Has played almost solely on the left side of an attacking three.

Hard enough to settle in at Celtic without being played out of position.

He is deeply frustrated people are judging him in a position he never played in his life.

Rightly imho.
I don't buy that at all.

He's not being asked to play as a winger. How can playing 10/15 yards to the left so badly affect his touch, passing and decision making?

Brown, Ledley, Petrov, Nakamura. There's 4 guys who would prefer to play centrally who had decent success wide (all in a 4 man midfield where there's more expectation to stay wide).
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He played the position he is playing for us plenty for United.

He's a talented player but he can't hack it mentally at the moment. There have been games where he's been clearly hiding and that's unforgivable. That he plays week in, week out is baffling. I can only assume Deila is trying to play him through his funk but we don't have enough players on form to carry a passenger.
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Passive is the right word. If you could give him Scott Brown's mentality he'd be excellent, but he seems to shrink when he puts the jersey on.
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21 Feb 2016, 03:09 PM
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21 Feb 2016, 02:53 PM
Bought entirely on the strength of his best performances in the centre of the Dundee United midfield.

Has played almost solely on the left side of an attacking three.

Hard enough to settle in at Celtic without being played out of position.

He is deeply frustrated people are judging him in a position he never played in his life.

Rightly imho.
I don't buy that at all.

He's not being asked to play as a winger. How can playing 10/15 yards to the left so badly affect his touch, passing and decision making?

Brown, Ledley, Petrov, Nakamura. There's 4 guys who would prefer to play centrally who had decent success wide (all in a 4 man midfield where there's more expectation to stay wide).
Brown, Ledley and Petrov were hardly ever asked to play out of position.

And when they were they were hardly a roaring success.

You are revising history.
Edited by krungthep, 21 Feb 2016, 05:35 PM.
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21 Feb 2016, 05:35 PM
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21 Feb 2016, 03:09 PM
krungthep
21 Feb 2016, 02:53 PM
Bought entirely on the strength of his best performances in the centre of the Dundee United midfield.

Has played almost solely on the left side of an attacking three.

Hard enough to settle in at Celtic without being played out of position.

He is deeply frustrated people are judging him in a position he never played in his life.

Rightly imho.
I don't buy that at all.

He's not being asked to play as a winger. How can playing 10/15 yards to the left so badly affect his touch, passing and decision making?

Brown, Ledley, Petrov, Nakamura. There's 4 guys who would prefer to play centrally who had decent success wide (all in a 4 man midfield where there's more expectation to stay wide).
Brown, Ledley and Petrov were hardly ever asked to play out of position.

And when they were they were hardly a roaring success.

You are revising history.
I actually think Browns best form was on the right of a four.

The pertinent point is their differing levels of ability to control the ball and make passes wasn't deterred by playing wider.
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21 Feb 2016, 02:53 PM
Bought entirely on the strength of his best performances in the centre of the Dundee United midfield.

Has played almost solely on the left side of an attacking three.

Hard enough to settle in at Celtic without being played out of position.

He is deeply frustrated people are judging him in a position he never played in his life.

Rightly imho.
Sorry mate but he was picked to play for Scotland at youth level as a left sided midfielder - the position he played when he was up in Aberdeen with Dyce Boys and played there plenty for Dundee United.

Didn't get much of a look in with the Scotland thing as he was too soft and as someone else said too passive.

Really nice guy but never going to be the player folk expect.
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