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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (730,987 Views)
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10 Jun 2018, 08:32 PM
No doubt the people writing off McGinn are the same folk who were writing off McGregor saying he "will end up having a half decent career at a SPL club".

Will be a great signing.
Or the same people who said Mackay-Steven, Scott Allan, Ciftci among countless of average/mediocre SPFL level players wouldn't make it.
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10 Jun 2018, 09:04 PM
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10 Jun 2018, 08:32 PM
No doubt the people writing off McGinn are the same folk who were writing off McGregor saying he "will end up having a half decent career at a SPL club".

Will be a great signing.
Or the same people who said Mackay-Steven, Scott Allan, Ciftci among countless of average/mediocre SPFL level players wouldn't make it.
There is a tendency to write a player off because he plays in Scotland though.
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10 Jun 2018, 07:42 PM
McGinn is NOT Celtic class.
Define Celtic class. We live in changing and difficult times and we are not as financially competitive as we have been in the past because of the Sky money etc. We have signed some real diddies over the years and I am sure we will sign some in the future. If the gap widens, we might become heavily reliant on the Scottish market, where, in my view, McGinnis in the upper echelons.
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10 Jun 2018, 09:04 PM
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10 Jun 2018, 08:32 PM
No doubt the people writing off McGinn are the same folk who were writing off McGregor saying he "will end up having a half decent career at a SPL club".

Will be a great signing.
Or the same people who said Mackay-Steven, Scott Allan, Ciftci among countless of average/mediocre SPFL level players wouldn't make it.
He is clearly a class above them ffs.
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10 Jun 2018, 08:32 PM
No doubt the people writing off McGinn are the same folk who were writing off McGregor saying he "will end up having a half decent career at a SPL club".

Will be a great signing.
Or the same people who said Mackay-Steven, Scott Allan, Ciftci among countless of average/mediocre SPFL level players wouldn't make it.
There is a tendency to write a player off because he plays in Scotland though.
There is. For every Ciftci or Allan theres a Brown, Mulgrew, Robson, McDonald, Griffiths, Hartley and of course, Armstrong and even Stokes to some extent. All guys who at the very least did a turn for us. A couple in there that have gone on to become great players and one that will probably go down as a modern day legend. I'd venture a guess our domestic and foreign signing records have a had a similar percentage of success over the past decade or so. A good player is a good player, and McGinn with a bit of development and nurturing from a top class coach could become a great one for Celtic.
Edited by Country Mac, 10 Jun 2018, 09:46 PM.
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For what was Dundee United’s best player who’s been average over the last year at Celtic? Aye.
He was way above average the season because and he did have an injury that affected a lot of last season as well

season 2016-17 was an anomaly in Stuart’s career. He wants to go to England on the back of it. No big deal - he’s good on his day, but not irreplaceable.
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Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

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10 Jun 2018, 07:10 PM
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10 Jun 2018, 06:32 PM
It wasn't that long ago Andy Robertson was considered not good enough for us and look where he is now. The reality is we won't know what McGinn is like for Celtic until he plays for us. Can he step up when surrounded by better players? That's the question for all signings, not just him. There have been players who have come with big reputations and on good money and didn't live up to it. A gamble like all of them but I wouldn't mind taking it. Don't think Hibs valuation is realistic by any means though.
Andy Robertson wouldn’t get in our team.
We'd maybe find a way to make it work.

He's certainly good enough to play for Celtic, which was the point I was making.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:22 AM
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
Aye, I guess it is.

But his goals (and form) in 2016-17 have been cited as a reason to run his contract down (i.e his contribution might be worth more than £2-3m we get offered). I'm pointing out its highly unlikely we'll see that again in his career, never mind a season he's running his contract down. It's probably a moot point as I think his reputed £4m asking price will be met. Then we can reinvest. It's no big deal: he's replaceable.
Edited by oneillsrevolution, 11 Jun 2018, 10:49 AM.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
He needs to be sold.

Very good player but good luck to him dan suff....

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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
He appears to have a fair hit for himself and despite or because of his law degree :ffs: shows an ability to eff about when he shouldn't

His summer messing around last year has not been helped by his very poor season

He would be best advised to concentrate on learning to pass as well as run and regain his scoring prowess from 16/17 - his best chance of a long and successful career is with us and BR but if he hasn't signed new deal by time of qualifiers i'd punt him to avoid the same charade as last yr
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Latest article in CQN suggests patience is running thin with Stuart, club either wants him to put up (sign a new longer-term contract), or get himself gone; and it appears they're sanguine about which.
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Latest article in CQN suggests patience is running thin with Stuart, club either wants him to put up (sign a new longer-term contract), or get himself gone; and it appears they're sanguine about which.
Have to agree. The uncertainty isn't in anyone's interests.

The early end to the English transfer window means we can't even keep him to bolster the squad for European qualifying.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
He appears to have a fair hit for himself and despite or because of his law degree :ffs: shows an ability to eff about when he shouldn't

His summer messing around last year has not been helped by his very poor season

He would be best advised to concentrate on learning to pass as well as run and regain his scoring prowess from 16/17 - his best chance of a long and successful career is with us and BR but if he hasn't signed new deal by time of qualifiers i'd punt him to avoid the same charade as last yr
Don't disagree with that. There's shortcomings in his game absolutely.

I think he sees the opportunity down south to make a large pack of money. If so, he is well within rights to sit out what he signed. If he does Brendan can get a tune out of him we've a player that can do something that none of our others can and was a real driving force for when we played our best football under BR.

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If and when he goes I'll be glad to see (hear?) the back of that ridiculous song. I know I'm in the vast minority in that regard.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

These are exactly the stats that the mid-table English teams will hold up when negotiating with Celtic. If they get the 2016-17 version, it'll be a bonus. More likely to be in the 5+ goal a season range and we will get offers accordingly. Saying that, there will be worse players brought to the EPL this season who'll cost much more simply because of them having played in "better"leagues. English logic :cuckoo:
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10 Jun 2018, 09:24 AM
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Stuart's a midfielder with winger or forward stats, I don't think he's started two thirds of appearances in his career and that's not what you need in central midfield. I think young Olivier in his first full season looked more reliable.

McGinn is miles above Armstrong in that department too. Putting other comparisons and attributes aside he's far more used to playing 90 minutes.
McGinn is nowhere near being as good at what Armstrong brings to the team so whatever stats you are looking at aren't really relevent.
If John McGinn was playing for us for the last 3 or 4 years his 90 minute stats would be non existent.
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Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
He's vastly overrated.

He looks good when the team is playing well and creating space for him. He goes missing when the team isn't firing on all cylinders.

Edit: He won't be missed.
Edited by DhenBhoy, 11 Jun 2018, 04:32 PM.
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11 Jun 2018, 10:12 AM
Firstly, Armstrong wants to move so we don't have an option anyhow. Secondly, there's a lot of chat of 'Brendan might get him back to 2016-17 form'. But 2016-17 was an utter anomaly in his career - last season's form was the norm.

1. He's scored an average of 5 goals per season since 2010.

2. Of his 48 career goals across nine seasons since 2010, 17 were scored in 2016-17 (35% of his career total).

3. He's scored 27 goals for Celtic in four seasons, 17 came in 2016-17 - (63% of overall Celtic total).

[Taken from Wiki figures]

Stuart isn't is good as he thinks he is. He certainly isn't good enough to use Celtic as a stepping stone or to run his contract down for his average return of 5 goals next year.

Basing it on goals is a bit narrow no?

The boys a good player and he's well within his rights and ability to see Celtic as a stepping stone to England as are all the players we sign .

If he runs down his contract it isn't ideal but if Brendan can get a tune out of him he's a valuable asset and offers something nothing of our other pantheon of midfielders does. It was even visible again near the end of the season there.

I'd sell him though.
He's vastly overrated.

He looks good when the team is playing well and creating space for him. He goes missing when the team isn't firing on all cylinders.

Edit: He won't be missed.
Don't agree. There were a few games in the Invincibles season where Armstrong stood up when the rest of the team were struggling. 4-3 Motherwell game, 1-1 Huns game and Scottish Cup final v Sheep being prime examples.
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