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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (730,989 Views)
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Keep Armstrong if possible for me, form has been pretty inconsistent since he joined but he still has something that no one else in the squad does. Can't imagine he will be 1st choice for any EPL clubs given his poor season, so if he goes it will probably be a bit later in the window when clubs are getting down to their backup options.
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10 Jun 2018, 09:08 AM
I'd rather keep him and him sign a new long term contract...but if he wants to go? We'll get more than the £4m banded about in the SMSM imo, bottom half EPL clubs will happily pay between £6m-£8m, they regularly pay more than that for utter dross in the last years of their contracts...that together with Peter Lawwell driving a hard bargain..we'll get closer to £8m for Armstrong imo.

Do you really think that Peter Lawwell drives a hard bargain ?

What hard bargains has he driven to our significant benefit ?

Any good examples if you exclude dealings with Southampton ?


He is renowned for it and always does the best for Celtic's interests.

We are generally accepted as one of the best run football clubs going. . . do you think that's down to the groundsman?
We sold Virgil Van Dijk to Southampton for £12m. The hardest part of that negotiation for the Southampton CEO, would have been withholding a smirk.
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Stuart Armstrong has played hardball with one-year contract extensions at Dundee United in December 2013 and Celtic in July 2017. These contracts are unusual at Celtic and the power remained with Armstrong and his agent over the season. He was never going to be at Celtic long-term, Brendan is resigned to him moving on, so lets accumulate enough for a replacement and some more left over. Its how we operate.

Plus, he's been average for about 50% of the time he's been here, good for the other 30% and great for 20% of the time. He's a great player on his day but the problem is those days are not every week.

McGinn would be a fine replacement.
Edited by oneillsrevolution, 10 Jun 2018, 01:24 PM.
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Of course you'd keep Armstrong if possible but if he wants to go let it happen and we'll move on.

It's really that simple.
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Think he'll go. As he should if he's not committed to staying long term. As others have said, he always seemed too clever to let a weasel of an agent twist his arm and fill his head with pish but there you have it. Hope he knows what he's doing and I wish him well, but I suspect he'll have more than a few regrets when he looks back on all this at the end of his career.
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10 Jun 2018, 01:12 PM
Keep Armstrong if possible for me, form has been pretty inconsistent since he joined but he still has something that no one else in the squad does. Can't imagine he will be 1st choice for any EPL clubs given his poor season, so if he goes it will probably be a bit later in the window when clubs are getting down to their backup options.
He's a great option for us to have, but if you were in his position you'd want to be playing every week and Rogic having just signed a 5 year deal shows both that he's here to stay and possibly also that he's ahead of Armstrong in the pecking order. McGregor's form when starting on the left also starts to remove some options that Armstrong might have been aiming for
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He is renowned for it and always does the best for Celtic's interests.

We are generally accepted as one of the best run football clubs going. . . do you think that's down to the groundsman?

I didn't say he didn't act in our best interests.

I didn't say we weren't a well run football club.

I didn't mention the groundsman.

But you knock yourself out :thumbsup:
what did you say then
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I didn't say he didn't act in our best interests.

I didn't say we weren't a well run football club.

I didn't mention the groundsman.

But you knock yourself out :thumbsup:
what did you say then
Exactly.

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Depends how much we’re offered. If it’s £2m or less I’d keep him for the season and try to get that form out of him that BR managed in 16/17. He gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best form under BR was when Armstrong was at his best.

There’s a focus on his form last season, understandably, but a lot of players were as inconsistent. If it’s based on last season alone, there’s a few players who become a lot more disposable, but who aren’t coming up to their final year.

I don’t think he’s impossible to replace, and he can go if the money is right, but I’d be willing to gamble a couple of million if the manager thinks he can bring out his best - and we don’t have a replacement lined up (and that’s certainly not McGinn).
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After the season he has just had I’d not be fussed to see him go. No doubt he has the ability, he was absolutely key to the unbeaten treble, but he played this season like someone who has already mentally checked out.
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10 Jun 2018, 02:04 PM
Depends how much we’re offered. If it’s £2m or less I’d keep him for the season and try to get that form out of him that BR managed in 16/17. He gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best form under BR was when Armstrong was at his best.

There’s a focus on his form last season, understandably, but a lot of players were as inconsistent. If it’s based on last season alone, there’s a few players who become a lot more disposable, but who aren’t coming up to their final year.

I don’t think he’s impossible to replace, and he can go if the money is right, but I’d be willing to gamble a couple of million if the manager thinks he can bring out his best - and we don’t have a replacement lined up (and that’s certainly not McGinn).
With our current strategy and transfer model, I don’t think there’s any possibility whatsoever we’ll let an asset of Armstrong’s worth run their contract down. He’s worth £2m min and he’ll be out the door for that.
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He should have been de-songed after his pish last year.

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idyllwild
10 Jun 2018, 02:04 PM
Depends how much we’re offered. If it’s £2m or less I’d keep him for the season and try to get that form out of him that BR managed in 16/17. He gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best form under BR was when Armstrong was at his best.

There’s a focus on his form last season, understandably, but a lot of players were as inconsistent. If it’s based on last season alone, there’s a few players who become a lot more disposable, but who aren’t coming up to their final year.

I don’t think he’s impossible to replace, and he can go if the money is right, but I’d be willing to gamble a couple of million if the manager thinks he can bring out his best - and we don’t have a replacement lined up (and that’s certainly not McGinn).
Agree. . .best outcome is he signs on again. If not though we won't sell for £2m or less.

If we get a £4m or £5m bid he'll be away.
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10 Jun 2018, 02:26 PM
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10 Jun 2018, 02:04 PM
Depends how much we’re offered. If it’s £2m or less I’d keep him for the season and try to get that form out of him that BR managed in 16/17. He gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best form under BR was when Armstrong was at his best.

There’s a focus on his form last season, understandably, but a lot of players were as inconsistent. If it’s based on last season alone, there’s a few players who become a lot more disposable, but who aren’t coming up to their final year.

I don’t think he’s impossible to replace, and he can go if the money is right, but I’d be willing to gamble a couple of million if the manager thinks he can bring out his best - and we don’t have a replacement lined up (and that’s certainly not McGinn).
With our current strategy and transfer model, I don’t think there’s any possibility whatsoever we’ll let an asset of Armstrong’s worth run their contract down. He’s worth £2m min and he’ll be out the door for that.
Dependent upon the player, we should be able to gamble a small transfer free against what the player could do for us over the final year. The club might not think Armstrong is worth the gamble, but I’d hope that we’re comfortable enough for a bit of flexibility where the manager might ask for it.
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Looks like has ambitions elsewhere, but wondering about the timing of his departure.

Given certain players involvement in world cup and recent friendlies, BR might want to keep Armstrong for CL qualifiers. Doing this would both put him in the shop window and invite higher bids from clubs becoming increasingly desperate before the close.

That said if a knockout offer comes in soon I think the club will sell and replace.
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10 Jun 2018, 01:12 PM
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He is renowned for it and always does the best for Celtic's interests.

We are generally accepted as one of the best run football clubs going. . . do you think that's down to the groundsman?
We sold Virgil Van Dijk to Southampton for £12m. The hardest part of that negotiation for the Southampton CEO, would have been withholding a smirk.
Was £13m. Then a sell-on clause which took the fee up to c.£20m. Most lucrative transfer fee in our entire history. Given the disdain the Scottish league is held in down south, Celtic did exceptionally well out that deal. Ergo, your point is a load of pish.

Ps. You plagiarised my username.
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10 Jun 2018, 02:45 PM
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10 Jun 2018, 02:26 PM
idyllwild
10 Jun 2018, 02:04 PM
Depends how much we’re offered. If it’s £2m or less I’d keep him for the season and try to get that form out of him that BR managed in 16/17. He gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best form under BR was when Armstrong was at his best.

There’s a focus on his form last season, understandably, but a lot of players were as inconsistent. If it’s based on last season alone, there’s a few players who become a lot more disposable, but who aren’t coming up to their final year.

I don’t think he’s impossible to replace, and he can go if the money is right, but I’d be willing to gamble a couple of million if the manager thinks he can bring out his best - and we don’t have a replacement lined up (and that’s certainly not McGinn).
With our current strategy and transfer model, I don’t think there’s any possibility whatsoever we’ll let an asset of Armstrong’s worth run their contract down. He’s worth £2m min and he’ll be out the door for that.
Dependent upon the player, we should be able to gamble a small transfer free against what the player could do for us over the final year. The club might not think Armstrong is worth the gamble, but I’d hope that we’re comfortable enough for a bit of flexibility where the manager might ask for it.
Was his contribution this season worth £2m? I don’t think so. I’d hope Brendan tells him to gtf and reinvests in a player who wants to be here. He’s absolutely nowhere near good enough to run his contract down.
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10 Jun 2018, 03:17 PM
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Dependent upon the player, we should be able to gamble a small transfer free against what the player could do for us over the final year. The club might not think Armstrong is worth the gamble, but I’d hope that we’re comfortable enough for a bit of flexibility where the manager might ask for it.
Was his contribution this season worth £2m? I don’t think so. I’d hope Brendan tells him to gtf and reinvests in a player who wants to be here. He’s absolutely nowhere near good enough to run his contract down.
Agree on 17/18, but if Rodgers thinks he can get him back to 16/17 form then its a more difficult decision. I think he gives us something that we don’t have anywhere else in the (current) squad.

My point is more that all players have an arbitrary point in their value where it becomes worth the gamble just to let them run down their contract. If Dembele has an offer of £5m on the table next summer for example, I’d let him see out his contract instead. There’s a balance there, it shouldn’t just be “last year and you’re out for whatever we can get”. We’re stable enough financially to be a wee bit more flexible in our approach now.
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10 Jun 2018, 01:22 PM
Stuart Armstrong has played hardball with one-year contract extensions at Dundee United in December 2013 and Celtic in July 2017. These contracts are unusual at Celtic and the power remained with Armstrong and his agent over the season. He was never going to be at Celtic long-term, Brendan is resigned to him moving on, so lets accumulate enough for a replacement and some more left over. Its how we operate.

Plus, he's been average for about 50% of the time he's been here, good for the other 30% and great for 20% of the time. He's a great player on his day but the problem is those days are not every week.

McGinn would be a fine replacement.
Yes

Hibs second best player is a perfect fit
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