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| Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal. | |
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| Pussyfoot | 10 Jun 2018, 09:31 AM Post #5961 |
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À la mode if you will
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Of course it's relevant if a 26 year old central midfielder hasn't started two thirds of his career games, similar records at United and Celtic. That is reality, McGinn starting around 90% of his games is reality, everything else is opinion and I never offered mine, whether yours is relevant or not I'd rather not say. Edited by Pussyfoot, 10 Jun 2018, 09:32 AM.
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| mick82 | 10 Jun 2018, 09:34 AM Post #5962 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Do you think McGinn would have started around 90% of games for Celtic in the last 3 years? |
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| Pussyfoot | 10 Jun 2018, 09:39 AM Post #5963 |
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À la mode if you will
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That's not my point, he was able to start those games. Armstrong hasn't managed it at United nor Celtic. N'tcham in his first full season looked a more reliable option. I'd like to keep Armstrong but he's not been as reliable as others in that area of the field. The midfield is the rhythm of the side and the whole team benefits from consistency in that area, reliability. |
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| lepetitmerde | 10 Jun 2018, 09:49 AM Post #5964 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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Armstrong of last season will be missed Armstrong howrver.of the.other 2/3 season he has been with us won't be |
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| Fly Pelican | 10 Jun 2018, 09:53 AM Post #5965 |
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The nascent 45
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he had about one good game last season. It was the season before he was good, have you already managed to erase last season from your memory
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| Neil Jung | 10 Jun 2018, 09:59 AM Post #5966 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Stuart Armstrong's stats at United will be comparable or better than those of McGinn at Hibs and St Mirren. It is worth noting Armstrong's appearances were in the top division. Also worth noting are Armstrong's performances in Brendan's first season in charge. You want to compare him to NtCham - fine. I love NtCham and think he has so much potential but I doubt the word most in our support would use to describe him is reliable. I watched him dominate in games v Sevco but get hooked at half time v Hearts and Hibs. God, I watched him have a dreadful first 20-30 minutes away at Anderlecht before playing one of the most beautiful passes of the season to help set up our first goal. Different players have different attributes and bring different things to the team. Armstrong is a strong runner. He can carry the ball distances and also arrive in the box. Nobody else in our squad is as good at it as him. IfArmstrong goes it won't be a massive loss but we will be losing the only player in our squad who offers what he offers. McGinn is nowhere near being as good at it as him. McGinn also isn't as good as NtCham at passing or Brown as an all round midfielder. Replacing Armstrong with McGinn is a bad move. |
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| IainG | 10 Jun 2018, 10:02 AM Post #5967 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Seems to be quite a few clubs interested according to press. |
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| Tam Haas | 10 Jun 2018, 10:04 AM Post #5968 |
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Getting on a bit
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If he isn't staying, sell him. I'd be delighted if he signed a new long term deal, but I suspect you'll only be hearing about him on loan deals at Championship clubs after he flops. We should have sold him last season rather than giving him a 2 year deal. |
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| He Cometh | 10 Jun 2018, 10:05 AM Post #5969 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Think you've got your seasons mixed up mate. |
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| Pussyfoot | 10 Jun 2018, 10:11 AM Post #5970 |
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À la mode if you will
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Lots of good and interesting points, I'd need to see McGinn in action for Celtic prior to making my mind up about him, it's in the hands of others whether that happens. I'd rather keep Stuart as I think one day everything will click for him and that reliability will come but until that happens he remains an enigmatic central midfielder, not a consistent one. |
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| Kingslim | 10 Jun 2018, 10:32 AM Post #5971 |
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69 and counting
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Your assessment of Ntcham is harsh. A lot of us were scratching our heads in the first season in games he either wasn’t starting or getting hooked early. It then comes to light, that Brendan didn’t think he was physically ready. He never deserved to be hooked at Tynecastle that day. He was howling in Anderlecht to begin with, but he recovered mentally and was probably our best player by the end of the game. There were some games during the season that if he’d been introduced earlier we probably would have won 0-0 Sevco and there was a home CL game he came on late as a sub - might have been Anderlecht at home. He’s was arguably our most important player in the big games last season. Even Astana away when others were crumbling he took the game by the scruff and scored the goal to ease he pressure. He’s had his stinking days, like everyone, but most notably they have been at the likes of Kille and Hamilton on diabolical surfaces that players are probably more focused on not getting hurt. He had inconsistencies as you would expect from a 21 year but there’s no doubt Ntcham is reliable. He may not have the running power of Armstrong who brings a different skillset but Ntcham is an absolute diamond of a player and I still can’t figure out how we managed to get him. Edited by Kingslim, 10 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM.
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| antbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:03 AM Post #5972 |
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Marshal of the Soviet Union
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Bidding war, hopefully get decent coin for him. |
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| mick82 | 10 Jun 2018, 11:10 AM Post #5973 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Are you including in those percentages games in which Armstrong has been available to play but hasn’t been picked because Ntcham has been preferred? My point is that you can’t use number of appearances alone to gauge “reliability”. You seem to be conflating that with availability. |
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| harryhoodshatrick | 10 Jun 2018, 11:21 AM Post #5974 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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If he wanted to stay I would keep him if he wants to go then sell him.Peopke might say he is better than McGinn but he’s certainly not as consistent as McGinn. |
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:21 AM Post #5975 |
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i love how some players become shampooe on here if there is a sniff of them moving on or stalling on signing a new deal for the club
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:23 AM Post #5976 |
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:26 AM Post #5977 |
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that is an absolute pile a shampooe |
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:28 AM Post #5978 |
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your bang on cb
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:29 AM Post #5979 |
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| geezerbhoy | 10 Jun 2018, 11:32 AM Post #5980 |
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mcginn a better player than armstrong behave yourself
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he had about one good game last season. It was the season before he was good, have you already managed to erase last season from your memory

Lots of good and interesting points, I'd need to see McGinn in action for Celtic prior to making my mind up about him, it's in the hands of others whether that happens. 
8:53 AM Jul 11