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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (730,992 Views)
Celticbhoy_07
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If he isn't committed to us then punt.

No great loss to be honest.
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station
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I think 🤔 and I could be wrong but I’d say football is not his no1 priority. Just punching down time.
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remy mcswain
9 Jun 2018, 02:03 PM
Don Vito
9 Jun 2018, 11:59 AM
Teams in England operate on a totally different stratosphere compared to us in money terms.
I don't think a couple of million pounds is going to stop a premiership team getting who they want.
Crystal Palace have still to file their accounts for the 2017 season.

Their ground is shampooe too.
Aye, maybe, but they are still getting well in excess of £100M every year just to play in the EPL. This situation is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future and we find ourselves in a position that we cannot compete financially with many Championship sides.
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9 Jun 2018, 06:08 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 10:58 AM
Chako
9 Jun 2018, 09:41 AM

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By the terms of most other people he is and will be set up if he stays with Celtic. Shoild be see out his career with us I reckon he would be making at least five million after tax. That's a bloody good lifestyle for the rest of his life. Also he would be well placed for a media or football management type motion Scotland. And even more importantly he would have a great football career.
On the other hand he could take even bigger money in England for a few years and his career will disappear as he won't succeed at a crystal palace.

I know what I think I would do.
He may not win trophies with a pish to mediocre club in the EPL....but he would be testing himself against a better class of opposition week in week out.

Yes, we can offer CL football with 6 to 8 games against top class opposition in a good season.....but down there he'll have 10 or more games against CL quality teams every season.



We offer a lot to players in terms of the chance to win trophies, take part in the CL and have the adulation (and occasionally contempt) of a huge support....but those aren't the only motivating factors for players. Even putting the money aside the lure of playing in one of Europe's top leagues (even if it's for relegation strugglers) and facing top quality opposition regularly outweighs everything we can offer for many players.
Yes he will be tested and he will be found wanting. The guy has ability and can play well. However he can also lose confidence very easily and disappear for months. He is at best in a team that dominates most games and attacks. Finding space in an attack is his strenght. He is Also more confident in a team that wins most weeks. He is not much use when the team is under pressure and having to defend - he brings little to that side of the game. As for him having the character to battle through a relation dogfight, that any team that signs him will inevitably be involved in then forget about it.

As I said he can stay, have a great career at a team that suits him best and still have a very comfortable future. Or he can chase a big pay packet in England, for a while.
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9 Jun 2018, 06:18 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 02:58 PM
This is now becoming a regular occurrence. I would prefer him to stay as, when he's good, he's really good. However, if he's not happy then I would let him go as we only want guys who are up for the cause :thumbsup:

What is becoming a regular occurrence ?


There was all the commotion last season which went on for what seemed like ages, the constant talk about him moving down south and now this. Its not a one off
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weebaldy
9 Jun 2018, 08:12 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 06:18 PM
weebaldy
9 Jun 2018, 02:58 PM
This is now becoming a regular occurrence. I would prefer him to stay as, when he's good, he's really good. However, if he's not happy then I would let him go as we only want guys who are up for the cause :thumbsup:

What is becoming a regular occurrence ?


There was all the commotion last season which went on for what seemed like ages, the constant talk about him moving down south and now this. Its not a one off
Thats a bit dramatic
He signed a one year extension

All the "constant talk about him leaving" is not really down to him
Its down to people on messageboards and the like

" And now this" as if he's causing people to open a thread on him and go through all the horror and speculation again.

We were happy to keep him for another year, he will likely go, its pretty routine stuff really

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weebaldy
9 Jun 2018, 08:12 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 06:18 PM
weebaldy
9 Jun 2018, 02:58 PM
This is now becoming a regular occurrence. I would prefer him to stay as, when he's good, he's really good. However, if he's not happy then I would let him go as we only want guys who are up for the cause :thumbsup:

What is becoming a regular occurrence ?


There was all the commotion last season which went on for what seemed like ages, the constant talk about him moving down south and now this. Its not a one off

At the moment it is a one off.

Which is kind of the opposite of a regular occurrence.


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Celticbhoy_07
9 Jun 2018, 07:46 PM
If he isn't committed to us then punt.

No great loss to be honest.
I agree if he has no commitment we punt him but to say he is no great loss is too dismissive .


If Armstrong is on form and we all know he wasn't most of last season but if he was to stay and Brendan gets him back on form he is a very good player to have in the squad.

All ifs and buts just now though. :thumbsup:
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station
9 Jun 2018, 07:56 PM
I think 🤔 and I could be wrong but I’d say football is not his no1 priority. Just punching down time.
Based on?
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mick405
9 Jun 2018, 10:24 PM
station
9 Jun 2018, 07:56 PM
I think 🤔 and I could be wrong but I’d say football is not his no1 priority. Just punching down time.
Based on?
His form since he came to the club .
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station
10 Jun 2018, 05:28 AM
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9 Jun 2018, 10:24 PM
station
9 Jun 2018, 07:56 PM
I think 🤔 and I could be wrong but I’d say football is not his no1 priority. Just punching down time.
Based on?
His form since he came to the club .
Too busy studying, being clever n that?
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Hope he stays he is a good player and we need a strong squad.
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Player wants to move down south to earn more money and play in the best league in the world. Shocker!
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I'd rather keep him and him sign a new long term contract...but if he wants to go? We'll get more than the £4m banded about in the SMSM imo, bottom half EPL clubs will happily pay between £6m-£8m, they regularly pay more than that for utter dross in the last years of their contracts...that together with Peter Lawwell driving a hard bargain..we'll get closer to £8m for Armstrong imo.
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Quemelachupen
10 Jun 2018, 08:59 AM
Player wants to move down south to earn more money and play in the best league in the world. Shocker!
I'm surprised we manage to hold onto any players at all when they could all be playing for Palace and Burnley.
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Stuart's a midfielder with winger or forward stats, I don't think he's started two thirds of appearances in his career and that's not what you need in central midfield. I think young Olivier in his first full season looked more reliable.

McGinn is miles above Armstrong in that department too. Putting other comparisons and attributes aside he's far more used to playing 90 minutes.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 10 Jun 2018, 09:19 AM.
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10 Jun 2018, 08:59 AM
Player wants to move down south to earn more money and play in the best league in the world. Shocker!

Is that not sewra flitreed ??

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10 Jun 2018, 09:10 AM
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10 Jun 2018, 08:59 AM
Player wants to move down south to earn more money and play in the best league in the world. Shocker!
I'm surprised we manage to hold onto any players at all when they could all be playing for Palace and Burnley.
I said best league in the world, not the best teams. It's the league that's the attraction there outwith the big clubs. Get yourself to a club in the EPL, do well and maybe move to a big club. Don't stand out but maybe just establish yourself and make a right good packet.
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Pussyfoot
10 Jun 2018, 09:13 AM
Stuart's a midfielder with winger or forward stats, I don't think he's started two thirds of appearances in his career and that's not what you need in central midfield. I think young Olivier in his first full season looked more reliable.

McGinn is miles above Armstrong in that department too. Putting other comparisons and attributes aside he's far more used to playing 90 minutes.
McGinn is nowhere near being as good at what Armstrong brings to the team so whatever stats you are looking at aren't really relevent.
If John McGinn was playing for us for the last 3 or 4 years his 90 minute stats would be non existent.
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