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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (730,995 Views)
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I'd keep him and play him at right back.

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I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
There’s a lot in what you say but if you look at players like Liam Lindsay and Andy Robertson you see what can be achieved. From what I hear Lindsay has had a stand out season for Barnsley and may get a move to the Premiership and Robertson has followed a good season at Hull with a great one at Liverpool
I would take a punt on Lindsay - better than Hendry IMHO
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That fat, unfunny, slabbering, annoying English bastard seems to find his way into every thread on here.
I though he was born in Inverness.
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That fat, unfunny, slabbering, annoying English bastard seems to find his way into every thread on here.
I though he was born in Inverness.
aye i think you need to narrow that down......
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I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
There’s a lot in what you say but if you look at players like Liam Lindsay and Andy Robertson you see what can be achieved. From what I hear Lindsay has had a stand out season for Barnsley and may get a move to the Premiership and Robertson has followed a good season at Hull with a great one at Liverpool
I would take a punt on Lindsay - better than Hendry IMHO
Better than Hendry is no barometer.
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26 May 2018, 01:18 PM
I'd keep him and play him at right back.

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Not sure if Stuart would settle for that position and I think he is probably heading out the door - but he was brilliant in the one game he played there.
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25 May 2018, 10:31 AM
I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but it can work both ways.

Look at a player like Steve Davis. Decent enough player for the huns, but not one I'd say who really put any fear into me when we played them. He went down to Southampton and has had a great 8 or 9 years in the top half until this season.

I realise he isn't Scottish and I still believe Armstrong could be making a huge mistake, but I do understand why players without a Celtic connection may feel it's worth the punt.
It absolutely can go both ways.

Davis was famously a free agent though, when he refused to be TUPE'd over to Chuckie's basket of assets.

He'd also had a reasonable profile in England prior to being with Oldco. Basically four Premier League seasons and 130 games for Villa and Fulham before coming north.
Wasn't there a fee for Davis?
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I'd keep him and play him at right back.

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Not sure if Stuart would settle for that position and I think he is probably heading out the door - but he was brilliant in the one game he played there.
Which game was that?
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I'd keep him and play him at right back.

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Not sure if Stuart would settle for that position and I think he is probably heading out the door - but he was brilliant in the one game he played there.
Which game was that?
I can't remember the game but i'm certain we were down to ten men and Stu was pushed into right back and was immense. He rampaged up and down the flank with real drive and purpose. He has it in him to play at right back if ever played there again. In some games last season when resting players i would have had Callum McGregor at left back and Stu at right back. :thumbsup:
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Which game was that?
I can't remember the game but i'm certain we were down to ten men and Stu was pushed into right back and was immense. He rampaged up and down the flank with real drive and purpose. He has it in him to play at right back if ever played there again. In some games last season when resting players i would have had Callum McGregor at left back and Stu at right back. :thumbsup:
inverness last season i believe
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I can't remember the game but i'm certain we were down to ten men and Stu was pushed into right back and was immense. He rampaged up and down the flank with real drive and purpose. He has it in him to play at right back if ever played there again. In some games last season when resting players i would have had Callum McGregor at left back and Stu at right back. :thumbsup:
inverness last season i believe
We beat Inverness 3 -0 in Nov 2016.

Lustig was injured - Stuart moved to right back and was outstanding.
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inverness last season i believe
We beat Inverness 3 -0 in Nov 2016.

Lustig was injured - Stuart moved to right back and was outstanding.
pretty sure the night he scored the winner at Rubgy Park he was right-back too, Last Christmas was gettin belted out so it must have been December. both games he was immense, strange he's never been tried there again
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
Probably cos of the abuse he will get when he leaves :ph43r:
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
How I long for the days when no-one gave a shampoo about what a player was up to on social media.

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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
Probably cos of the abuse he will get when he leaves :ph43r:
Exactly my thinking
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
It's the smart move. Instagram is where it's at these days. Or something.
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
Safe to say he is going...been real Stuarty Bhoy...enjoy lower level premiership or championship team ...



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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
Was it because of the Belgrano thread?
Edited by Belanov, 31 May 2018, 10:48 PM.
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He has just deleted his twitter account :suspect: :hmmm: :cartuja:
Was it because of the Belgrano thread?
Apparently as it seems Stuart's twitter account was hacked.

Password was GMS1888
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