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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
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25 May 2018, 01:19 AM
I loved him last season (or last last season I suppose) and was disappointed in what we saw from him this year. If there is a way to get him back to the player he was we'd be daft to let him go. If his head isn't in it then I couldn't care less where he was punted to.
Agreed. Would love for him to stay and regain his form, but if he leaves I won't be too bothered.

As for the EPL talk, has a bid ever come in for him from an EPL team?


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25 May 2018, 01:19 AM
I loved him last season (or last last season I suppose) and was disappointed in what we saw from him this year. If there is a way to get him back to the player he was we'd be daft to let him go. If his head isn't in it then I couldn't care less where he was punted to.
Agreed. Would love for him to stay and regain his form, but if he leaves I won't be too bothered.

As for the EPL talk, has a bid ever come in for him from an EPL team?


I'd like him to stay, but not to fussed either way. Playing beside kenny McClean and drinking cider out a wellie would be cool for him.
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I'm not bothered either way what he does. I'd miss his song more than him.

Got a feeling he's about to make the biggest mistake of his life.
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25 May 2018, 08:01 AM
I'm not bothered either way what he does. I'd miss his song more than him.

Got a feeling he's about to make the biggest mistake of his life.
If he leaves it will be for massive wages and signing on fee so maybe not the biggest mistake of his life. :lol:



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25 May 2018, 08:01 AM
I'm not bothered either way what he does. I'd miss his song more than him.

Got a feeling he's about to make the biggest mistake of his life.
If he leaves it will be for massive wages and signing on fee so maybe not the biggest mistake of his life. :lol:



Maybe - but I don't think he's guaranteed to get a club which pays 'massive'. The best he can hope for is the Championship IMO where he'll be on a similar wedge to what Celtic can offer and I don't care what anyone says, a backwards step in terms of football. If he'd kept up his form he could have taken his pick but I can't see him being on anyone's radar right now.
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I'm not bothered either way what he does. I'd miss his song more than him.

Got a feeling he's about to make the biggest mistake of his life.
If he leaves it will be for massive wages and signing on fee so maybe not the biggest mistake of his life. :lol:



Maybe - but I don't think he's guaranteed to get a club which pays 'massive'. The best he can hope for is the Championship IMO where he'll be on a similar wedge to what Celtic can offer and I don't care what anyone says, a backwards step in terms of football. If he'd kept up his form he could have taken his pick but I can't see him being on anyone's radar right now.
Most of the EPL would be a backward step if just in terms of football. Not sure I understand why he would leave for a championship club on similar wages to what he’s on with us. :ponder:

I’m hoping he stays anyway, we are a bit spoiled in the midfield right now but that’s no reason to let a player of his quality to just slip away.
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Maybe - but I don't think he's guaranteed to get a club which pays 'massive'. The best he can hope for is the Championship IMO where he'll be on a similar wedge to what Celtic can offer and I don't care what anyone says, a backwards step in terms of football. If he'd kept up his form he could have taken his pick but I can't see him being on anyone's radar right now.
Most of the EPL would be a backward step if just in terms of football. Not sure I understand why he would leave for a championship club on similar wages to what he’s on with us. :ponder:

I’m hoping he stays anyway, we are a bit spoiled in the midfield right now but that’s no reason to let a player of his quality to just slip away.
I'd prefer him to sign/stay too. My point was that I don't think he'll get that EPL move at the moment.
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Most of the EPL would be a backward step if just in terms of football. Not sure I understand why he would leave for a championship club on similar wages to what he’s on with us. :ponder:

I’m hoping he stays anyway, we are a bit spoiled in the midfield right now but that’s no reason to let a player of his quality to just slip away.
I'd prefer him to sign/stay too. My point was that I don't think he'll get that EPL move at the moment.
He could probably get a move to a Palace, Brighton, Southampton or similar and double his money. Much as I'd prefer him to stay, if mediocrity and relegation battles is the height of his ambition then I'd rather he went.
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Would love for him to stay - we missed him last year and that creative spark he can create - Ntcham has come on leaps and bounds but he just doesnt have the running in him as Armstrong does. Not that id replace Ntcham with rmstrong just think we should keep Armstrong.
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I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
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25 May 2018, 10:10 AM
Would love for him to stay - we missed him last year and that creative spark he can create - Ntcham has come on leaps and bounds but he just doesnt have the running in him as Armstrong does. Not that id replace Ntcham with rmstrong just think we should keep Armstrong.
Ntcham is a far better player and will be alongside Broony for as long as we can keep him. Giving Armstrong daft money (cos that's what he'll be after) to come on in games with 20 to go and do eff all most of the time wouldn't be very wise. He's also shown that if there's a sniff of big money about, his head can be turned pretty easily, so if he did regain form, we'd be insecure again. Feck that.
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I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but it can work both ways.

Look at a player like Steve Davis. Decent enough player for the huns, but not one I'd say who really put any fear into me when we played them. He went down to Southampton and has had a great 8 or 9 years in the top half until this season.

I realise he isn't Scottish and I still believe Armstrong could be making a huge mistake, but I do understand why players without a Celtic connection may feel it's worth the punt.
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25 May 2018, 11:01 AM
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25 May 2018, 10:31 AM
I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but it can work both ways.

Look at a player like Steve Davis. Decent enough player for the huns, but not one I'd say who really put any fear into me when we played them. He went down to Southampton and has had a great 8 or 9 years in the top half until this season.

I realise he isn't Scottish and I still believe Armstrong could be making a huge mistake, but I do understand why players without a Celtic connection may feel it's worth the punt.
It absolutely can go both ways.

Davis was famously a free agent though, when he refused to be TUPE'd over to Chuckie's basket of assets.

He'd also had a reasonable profile in England prior to being with Oldco. Basically four Premier League seasons and 130 games for Villa and Fulham before coming north.
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25 May 2018, 10:10 AM
Would love for him to stay - we missed him last year and that creative spark he can create - Ntcham has come on leaps and bounds but he just doesnt have the running in him as Armstrong does. Not that id replace Ntcham with rmstrong just think we should keep Armstrong.
I agree with this.

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25 May 2018, 10:31 AM
I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but it can work both ways.

Look at a player like Steve Davis. Decent enough player for the huns, but not one I'd say who really put any fear into me when we played them. He went down to Southampton and has had a great 8 or 9 years in the top half until this season.

I realise he isn't Scottish and I still believe Armstrong could be making a huge mistake, but I do understand why players without a Celtic connection may feel it's worth the punt.
It absolutely can go both ways.

Davis was famously a free agent though, when he refused to be TUPE'd over to Chuckie's basket of assets.

He'd also had a reasonable profile in England prior to being with Oldco. Basically four Premier League seasons and 130 games for Villa and Fulham before coming north.
True. I'd prefer him to stay, but it's up to him really.

I agree with you, he'll regret it if he goes.
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Would love for him to stay - we missed him last year and that creative spark he can create - Ntcham has come on leaps and bounds but he just doesnt have the running in him as Armstrong does. Not that id replace Ntcham with rmstrong just think we should keep Armstrong.
I agree with this.

Me too, especially if he stays and that dirge of a song leaves instead.
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Would love for him to stay - we missed him last year and that creative spark he can create - Ntcham has come on leaps and bounds but he just doesnt have the running in him as Armstrong does. Not that id replace Ntcham with rmstrong just think we should keep Armstrong.
I agree with this.

Me too, especially if he stays and that dirge of a song leaves instead.
Yes, I agree. I think there is a potential for a great player there. I don`t think he is arrogant, just quite a smart cookie to weigh up all the angles for his future. I think he will stay. I think you can see, recently anyway, that he has come to realise that it doesn`t come much better than playing for such a wonderful club. Maybe I will be proved wrong, but Armstrong could become a great attacking midfielder - he has already shown it and yes, I do agree as someone said earlier, he thrives when the pace of the game is fast, whereas in recent matches, outwith must wins, we have been dreadfully pedestrian
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Me too, especially if he stays and that dirge of a song leaves instead.
Yes, I agree. I think there is a potential for a great player there. I don`t think he is arrogant, just quite a smart cookie to weigh up all the angles for his future. I think he will stay. I think you can see, recently anyway, that he has come to realise that it doesn`t come much better than playing for such a wonderful club. Maybe I will be proved wrong, but Armstrong could become a great attacking midfielder - he has already shown it and yes, I do agree as someone said earlier, he thrives when the pace of the game is fast, whereas in recent matches, outwith must wins, we have been dreadfully pedestrian
Hasn't maintained improvement from 16-17 season, if his heads right then I'm happy for him to stay but if it's Billy big baws then it's ta ta time IMHO :thumbsup:
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Armstrong is an excellent player. I hope we keep him.
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I often think it's a bit of a shame when Scottish players in a position like Armstrong opt to go down south. There always seems to be a better than even chance that they'll simply disappear, and although Celtic would probably get a decent fee, the player ultimately doesn't develop his career the way he intends to, and his potential lack of playing time affects how useful he is for the national team too.

Aware it is not a like for like comparison but thinking about Stevie Mallan. Not exactly a once in a generation Scottish talent, but a decent player nonetheless who signed for Barnsley for a "crack" at the Championship and the money that comes with it. Played about 5 games all season and Barnsley now find themselves in the third tier of English football. Barry McKay is another. The other Zombie that left for Brentford is another. Floating about a mediocre level of football doing the square root of eff all.

It then becomes very difficult for the national team to get any sort of consistency in selection at all, because the promise shown can quickly go out of the window because a player doesn't take to a new club.

It is the same thing with McGinn and McGeouch. Just beginning to come to prominence and learning to be real leaders in a team that is getting in the habit of winning and getting international recognition, but apparently seeking to end that for a stab at the second tier of English football, no matter the impact on their career. Ultimately the bank balance will be better and that's what seems to matter. It's a short career, blah, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong, it could also go the other way for them all, and the rewards for excelling in that environment are clear. But I do wonder how it makes any of these guys better footballers. The Championship (or lower) is a 46 game slog where very little football is played. Even the bottom of the Premier League invites plenty of these players to simply become water carriers, doing most of their work without the ball, being as fit and powerful as they can, but with no real emphasis on what they do when they get on it.

You wonder if any of these players look at Scott Brown and consider whether in reality, they'd rather have the career of someone like James McArthur instead, who'll no doubt be sat with a bigger wedge in his bank.
There’s a lot in what you say but if you look at players like Liam Lindsay and Andy Robertson you see what can be achieved. From what I hear Lindsay has had a stand out season for Barnsley and may get a move to the Premiership and Robertson has followed a good season at Hull with a great one at Liverpool
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