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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,058 Views)
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15 Aug 2017, 11:28 PM
I don't actually blame the club for this at all.
Me neither.

I really want Armstrong to stay, but the current situation is causing problems.

Option A - sign the good deal on offer, enjoy continued success and development under BR at the greatest club in the world, then get the right move :clap:
Option B - Be sold soon to a lower EPL team and maybe get relegated :rubeyes:
Option C - Run down the contract, be out of the team, train with the kids, be miserable and risk obscurity :ffs:

We are one brain Stu, not no brain.

Sign up and stay at the party ! :worthy:
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jives miguel
16 Aug 2017, 02:21 AM
Thats as honest an interview ive ever heard since Brendan''s been mamager.

Up to you now Stuart.

Lower-mid table EPL nothingnesss or the chance to grow and develop with a team that might be going places?

You'll be rich either way Stuart...
'Lower mid-table EPL nothingness' is a bit of an odd way to describe a potentially life-changing transfer - especially as he's likely to join the same team Van Dijk, Wanyama and Forster (three of our best players in recent years) have joined, all with great success. I too believe Armstrong is in the best place to develop as a player but I can absolutely see his dilemma here.
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Think I'd keep him in the squad until after the Astana game. After that he should either move on to a new club or start training and playing with the development team.
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16 Aug 2017, 09:45 AM
jives miguel
16 Aug 2017, 02:21 AM
Thats as honest an interview ive ever heard since Brendan''s been mamager.

Up to you now Stuart.

Lower-mid table EPL nothingnesss or the chance to grow and develop with a team that might be going places?

You'll be rich either way Stuart...
'Lower mid-table EPL nothingness' is a bit of an odd way to describe a potentially life-changing transfer - especially as he's likely to join the same team Van Dijk, Wanyama and Forster (three of our best players in recent years) have joined, all with great success. I too believe Armstrong is in the best place to develop as a player but I can absolutely see his dilemma here.
He won't be going to Southampton though, it's looking like West Brom apparently.
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16 Aug 2017, 09:57 AM
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jives miguel
16 Aug 2017, 02:21 AM
Thats as honest an interview ive ever heard since Brendan''s been mamager.

Up to you now Stuart.

Lower-mid table EPL nothingnesss or the chance to grow and develop with a team that might be going places?

You'll be rich either way Stuart...
'Lower mid-table EPL nothingness' is a bit of an odd way to describe a potentially life-changing transfer - especially as he's likely to join the same team Van Dijk, Wanyama and Forster (three of our best players in recent years) have joined, all with great success. I too believe Armstrong is in the best place to develop as a player but I can absolutely see his dilemma here.
He won't be going to Southampton though, it's looking like West Brom apparently.
West Brom have just signed Gareth Barry, so even that may be in a bit of doubt now
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if we are not improving our offer or altering it - and i don't see why we should given it would appear his agent has simply blanked us

then he should be out of the first team squad post astana (and given his form he probably won't get near playing) whether we are thru or not

there's a danger that his sale value to us drops but there's probably more of a danger to him that his deal worsens with absolutely no game time

simply leaving a deal on the table and keeping him playing till he gets to january aint an option
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16 Aug 2017, 09:57 AM
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jives miguel
16 Aug 2017, 02:21 AM
Thats as honest an interview ive ever heard since Brendan''s been mamager.

Up to you now Stuart.

Lower-mid table EPL nothingnesss or the chance to grow and develop with a team that might be going places?

You'll be rich either way Stuart...
'Lower mid-table EPL nothingness' is a bit of an odd way to describe a potentially life-changing transfer - especially as he's likely to join the same team Van Dijk, Wanyama and Forster (three of our best players in recent years) have joined, all with great success. I too believe Armstrong is in the best place to develop as a player but I can absolutely see his dilemma here.
He won't be going to Southampton though, it's looking like West Brom apparently.
Charlie Adam and Armstrong's ex-Dundee United teammate Andy Robertson both ended up at Liverpool via Blackpool and Hull respectively. Perhaps he's looking at those kind of examples and believes a move to a West Brom/Southampton could be a stepping stone to an elite club. Or perhaps he just fancies tripling his salary and playing without the pressure of having to win every week.
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He won't be going to Southampton though, it's looking like West Brom apparently.
Charlie Adam and Armstrong's ex-Dundee United teammate Andy Robertson both ended up at Liverpool via Blackpool and Hull respectively. Perhaps he's looking at those kind of examples and believes a move to a West Brom/Southampton could be a stepping stone to an elite club. Or perhaps he just fancies tripling his salary and playing without the pressure of having to win every week.
Yeah, sure. Not arguing that it wouldnt still be a head turner to get to play against the top EPL teams, the wage packet, and potential to move to bigger things if you succeed. Just pointing out that SHampton isn't the likely destination.

He's probably looking at 3X his wages even moving to a no-mark team like West Brom. That's millions. Can't blame him for being tempted.
Edited by BardseyCelt, 16 Aug 2017, 10:21 AM.
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Simply put, he's gambling on a bosman to England for a small fortune. The lads forgetting he'll get more coin if he's performing on the pitch come what may.

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Armstrong needs to take a look at himself, where he is as a footballer just now and what he means to us as a player. He's not a Forster, not a Van Dijk and certainly not a Wanyama - he is nowhere near as important to us as those players were and he has to realise he's not going to get the same multi-million pound moves they've made on the back of 6 months of good form which he is really struggling to replicate.

Right now, he's punching above his weight even getting mentioned with West Brom when being realistic all he needs to do is take a look at someone like Johansen who won POTY awards with us in a similar position to him and is now playing for Fulham in the Championship - this is the future Armstrong has ahead of him.
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sevilliano
16 Aug 2017, 10:13 AM
if we are not improving our offer or altering it - and i don't see why we should given it would appear his agent has simply blanked us

then he should be out of the first team squad post astana (and given his form he probably won't get near playing) whether we are thru or not

there's a danger that his sale value to us drops but there's probably more of a danger to him that his deal worsens with absolutely no game time

simply leaving a deal on the table and keeping him playing till he gets to january aint an option
His so-called loss of form is a massive exaggeration. Aye, he's had a couple of games which he was poor in like others.
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16 Aug 2017, 10:51 AM
Armstrong needs to take a look at himself, where he is as a footballer just now and what he means to us as a player. He's not a Forster, not a Van Dijk and certainly not a Wanyama - he is nowhere near as important to us as those players were and he has to realise he's not going to get the same multi-million pound moves they've made on the back of 6 months of good form which he is really struggling to replicate.

Right now, he's punching above his weight even getting mentioned with West Brom when being realistic all he needs to do is take a look at someone like Johansen who won POTY awards with us in a similar position to him and is now playing for Fulham in the Championship - this is the future Armstrong has ahead of him.
If Armstrong's not as good as the guys you mentioned (and I agree he's not) then all the more reason for him to jump at the chance to treble his salary now while he has the chance. One poor season at Celtic, like the one he had two years ago, would end any talk of £45k a week deals. If the last six months was just a purple patch that has resulted in him landing a contract worth £6 or £7 million over the next few years, good luck to him.
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Let's not overlook that Stuart has a mouth in his head, he could have spoken at any time over the last 6 weeks to state clearly that he wants to go/stay. It strikes me Stuart is playing a hard game here so let's call it just that, he's entitled to do that and get his best deal and that's exactly what he's doing, he's not a helpless bystander in all this :thumbsup:
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16 Aug 2017, 07:13 AM
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15 Aug 2017, 11:23 PM
“With all due respect, probably outside of Scotland nobody knew of him six months ago. That’s the reality of it."

Harsh but true
It isn't.

Burnley tried to sign him from Dundee Utd.
They did but not as a 1st team player, they viewed him as a development. That would still stand today if he went south.
He is still developing here never mind anywhere else and as plenty have said, for a so called clever boy, why can't he see that continued development under Rodgers is the best option for his future.
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16 Aug 2017, 11:04 AM
Let's not overlook that Stuart has a mouth in his head, he could have spoken at any time over the last 6 weeks to state clearly that he wants to go/stay. It strikes me Stuart is playing a hard game here so let's call it just that, he's entitled to do that and get his best deal and that's exactly what he's doing, he's not a helpless bystander in all this :thumbsup:
Completely agree with this comment and I'm a big fan of the guy and the footballer that he is.
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16 Aug 2017, 10:21 AM
Simply put, he's gambling on a bosman to England for a small fortune. The lads forgetting he'll get more coin if he's performing on the pitch come what may.

This is my take on the situation - I thought initally the club had him signed up and waiting on a good news day to announce - How i was wrong
Either Armstrong signs or he doesn't play - simply
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16 Aug 2017, 11:04 AM
Let's not overlook that Stuart has a mouth in his head, he could have spoken at any time over the last 6 weeks to state clearly that he wants to go/stay. It strikes me Stuart is playing a hard game here so let's call it just that, he's entitled to do that and get his best deal and that's exactly what he's doing, he's not a helpless bystander in all this :thumbsup:
That's my take on it too. Unless his 'advisers' are failing to tell him the details of the offer such that he can say yes or no to it, it surely cannot be the case that they are just unilaterally deciding not to inform him of it.

These guys work on instruction generally (I know some football players will just defer to their agents the vast majoirty of the time) but there's no possibility that these guys are the sole reason the deal is being held up unless they're lying to their client. He can ask them of the status at any time, they probably speak fairly regulary given the situation. If they're intransigent it's because they've been told to wait on a certain thing happening (like another club coming in), on a certain time (last week of the window), or a certain amount of money. If they're stalling and it's 100% their decision then Armstrong is at fault for allowing that to be the case and he should get shot of them.

How effing hard is it to say 'tell me the details...ok that's good enough for me' after 6 months.

I have never understood this 'it's not the player' stuff. Of course it is. Whether by accident or design, the player is the one who signs, and they're the ones who need to take responsibility for their own decisions, or lack of decisions, advice or no advice.

I have no beef with Armstrong wanting to see if there's a big bastard wage packet out there, and I equally have no beef with him wanting to play in the EPL (if either of those are true), but I don't make the mistake of blaming the advisers; that's only half the story, at best.

I do have a beef with him playing pish while all this goes on
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From what's BR is saying, sounds like they might be waiting to see if a bid comes in. If the window shuts maybe he signs a contract as it protects him.
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16 Aug 2017, 12:14 PM
From what's BR is saying, sounds like they might be waiting to see if a bid comes in. If the window shuts maybe he signs a contract as it protects him.
Just had a quick look at News now and the Sun saying that Swansea are in for Armstrong to replace Sigurdsson.
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16 Aug 2017, 01:02 PM
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16 Aug 2017, 12:14 PM
From what's BR is saying, sounds like they might be waiting to see if a bid comes in. If the window shuts maybe he signs a contract as it protects him.
Just had a quick look at News now and the Sun saying that Swansea are in for Armstrong to replace Sigurdsson.
That'll be £30m please :lol:
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