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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,060 Views)
jimmy123411
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padrepio
14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
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14 Aug 2017, 06:52 PM
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14 Aug 2017, 06:35 PM
popeyed
14 Aug 2017, 06:30 PM
Sell him and bring in the boy McGinn from Hibs.
Real possibility
He's not good enough.
I never said he was.
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He won't be in the poor house whatever he chooses. However if the West Brom story is true he will be set up for a life in a way that he won't be at £15 per week.
Absolutely. He might 'rot' like James McCarthy has. If he can keep the form of the last 6 months he'll do well in England. Adaptable game too, could step forward in a better team.
Trouble is, with the level of teams looking at him I don't see him getting a lot of licence to maraud forward like he does with us.

If anything he would probably be better with a top end Championship team down there.
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jimmy123411
14 Aug 2017, 08:31 PM
padrepio
14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
aye but surely an agent acts under his clients instructions so if Armstrong wants to stay he tells his agent to get it done...or he gets another agent
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14 Aug 2017, 09:05 PM
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14 Aug 2017, 08:31 PM
padrepio
14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
aye but surely an agent acts under his clients instructions so if Armstrong wants to stay he tells his agent to get it done...or he gets another agent
This is my thinking too. He obviously has some irons in the fire that might not come to fruition until late in the window.
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One thing for sure is this situation seems to have badly affected his form and is no use for Celtic or the player. Whilst we don't know the exact circumstances of the delay in signing a new contract it is in everybody's interests to get this finalised asap one way or the other.
Edited by IainG, 14 Aug 2017, 10:45 PM.
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14 Aug 2017, 08:31 PM
padrepio
14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
Agent Orange?
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14 Aug 2017, 08:31 PM
padrepio
14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
I think his dad is his agent iirc
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14 Aug 2017, 06:30 PM
Sell him and bring in the boy McGinn from Hibs.
Caught a few with that one pops :lol:
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popeyed
14 Aug 2017, 06:30 PM
Sell him and bring in the boy McGinn from Hibs.
Caught a few with that one pops :lol:
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I do think that'll be the profile of his replacement if we do end up signing someone else though.
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He is being represented by a Native American lawyer.
How?
It's going to be a crackin scalp for whomever he signs.
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Armstrong would have signed by now if he really wanted to be here. Sell him and move on.
Christie will be back next season an even better player and we have plenty of cover in the middle of the park at the moment.
Edited by Terry Munro, 15 Aug 2017, 09:07 AM.
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14 Aug 2017, 08:31 PM
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14 Aug 2017, 08:26 PM
probs already been asked but rodgers has repeatedly said Armstrong wants to stay? So what is the problem? should he not be telling his advisors to get it done
carrot agent I am guessing
Armstrong probably does want to stay, if he gets a massive pay rise
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15 Aug 2017, 09:06 AM
Armstrong would have signed by now if he really wanted to be here. Sell him and move on.
Christie will be back next season an even better player and we have plenty of cover in the middle of the park at the moment.
manager wants him kept
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15 Aug 2017, 10:04 AM
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15 Aug 2017, 09:06 AM
Armstrong would have signed by now if he really wanted to be here. Sell him and move on.
Christie will be back next season an even better player and we have plenty of cover in the middle of the park at the moment.
manager wants him kept
And so do I :) fwiw.

How hard can it be to structure a deal to suit all parties, when the player and manager both want the contract agreed?
Front load the contract, and give a sell-on % at the end if your unhappy with the proposed salary, it has to be do-able...
Unless, of course, someone prefers the player to be sold?
Now that may be the agent, or that may be our negotiator, or as is most likely, a combination of both :twitch:

I remember when we had a director (wee likeable chubby guy with a tache, Jim(?), when MoN was here, the guy moved to a club in EPL when Splobwell came in) who dealt solely with contracts.
He once told me how he was called back off his first holiday in ages, a phonecall as he lay by a pool somewhere, in order to deal with the signing of Scheidt (and this after the transfer budget for the season had been spent :doh: ).

Now, i'm not suggesting that we go back to the scenario we had when MacDonald was CEO, but if the best manager we've had (potentially since Stein) wants the deal done ( after an invincible season) and the player wants the deal done, then, WTF?
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Hopefully get a decision siouxn.
Is there not an issue with his pawnee?
Probably thinking he'll get mo' money the mo' he can drag this out.
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Maybe he does want to stay but both parties are so far apart on money that a resolution cannot be reached. I rate him but it would be a gamble making him one of our top earners. A six month spell at playing to a high standard doesn't justify it. I do hope he stays but get the feeling his heads gone and his feet don't know it yet.
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15 Aug 2017, 09:06 AM
Armstrong would have signed by now if he really wanted to be here. Sell him and move on.
Christie will be back next season an even better player and we have plenty of cover in the middle of the park at the moment.
manager wants him kept
At all costs??
If he is being offered 40k a week elsewhere and money is his main driver then it's over
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15 Aug 2017, 10:04 AM
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15 Aug 2017, 09:06 AM
Armstrong would have signed by now if he really wanted to be here. Sell him and move on.
Christie will be back next season an even better player and we have plenty of cover in the middle of the park at the moment.
manager wants him kept
And so do I :) fwiw.

How hard can it be to structure a deal to suit all parties, when the player and manager both want the contract agreed?
Front load the contract, and give a sell-on % at the end if your unhappy with the proposed salary, it has to be do-able...
Unless, of course, someone prefers the player to be sold?
Now that may be the agent, or that may be our negotiator, or as is most likely, a combination of both :twitch:

I remember when we had a director (wee likeable chubby guy with a tache, Jim(?), when MoN was here, the guy moved to a club in EPL when Splobwell came in) who dealt solely with contracts.
He once told me how he was called back off his first holiday in ages, a phonecall as he lay by a pool somewhere, in order to deal with the signing of Scheidt (and this after the transfer budget for the season had been spent :doh: ).

Now, i'm not suggesting that we go back to the scenario we had when MacDonald was CEO, but if the best manager we've had (potentially since Stein) wants the deal done ( after an invincible season) and the player wants the deal done, then, WTF?

Jim Hone ?

Likeable ?

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BRENDAN Rodgers has attributed the loss of confidence experienced by Stuart Armstrong to his failure to agree a lucrative contract extension with Celtic and suggested the midfielder has been poorly advised by his representatives.

Armstrong was one of the outstanding performers in Rodgers’s team last season as they qualified for the Champions League group stages, won a Betfred Cup, Ladbrokes Premiership and William Hill Scottish Cup treble and went undefeated domestically.

However, the 25-year-old, who was awarded his first Scotland cap against Slovenia in March as a consequence of his fine displays for the Glasgow club, has been unable to replicate that form so far in the 2017/18 campaign.

The inability of the former Dundee United man, who struggled to establish himself at Celtic before Rodgers arrived last year, to reach the same levels as he had previously scaled has concerned his manager.

Having Armstrong at the top of his game would certainly be a huge assistance to Celtic in the Champions League play-off games against Astana of Kazakhstan in the coming days.

Rodgers, who voiced his concerns about the player’s state of mind following the Premiership match against Partick Thistle at Firhill on Friday night, stressed he would be in his squad for the first leg at Celtic Park this evening.

But the former Swansea City and Liverpool boss believes Armstrong, who has been linked with a move to Barclays Premier League club Southampton, has been adversely affected by the ongoing impasse over his future.

The Northern Irishman stated the stand-off is impeding his continuing development and should have been sorted out “a long time ago”.

“I have regular chats with Stuart," he said. "He is someone that I really respect as a person and I really respect the development that he made as a player last season. I want him to get back to that level.

“He’s a thinker. He’s a clever guy. What worried me the other day was that I saw something in a player that I hadn’t seen from back when I first came in. That is where the contract situation comes in. It is about finding that stability.

“There has been an offer there for a long time now which is a really, really good offer. But if representatives feel there are maybe other options for him - and we haven’t had an offer – and they want to wait and wait and wait and wait to see what happens then, okay, that’s what you do. But the player suffers.

“It’s not the boy, it’s not him. If you’re paying someone to make decisions for you and who’ll gain their commission from it then of course that’s what you look towards. Listen, most players have representatives. They are there to represent them.

“But it is something that could and should have been done a long time ago. That’s my feeling on it. But I have a feeling it might go to the very end of the transfer window.

“In Stuart’s situation I would love for him to have it resolved, but unfortunately it doesn’t look as if that will be in the immediate future. There will be reasons why which his representatives will have. I have got an idea of the reasons why.”

Asked if the contract offer could ultimately be taken off the table, Rodgers said: “I wouldn’t want to at this stage. I don’t see how that works really. Plus, I wouldn’t want to do that to Stuart. He is a young player, he is a good fella, I want to help him. I want to develop him. I still believe this is the best place for him to be.

“With all due respect, probably outside of Scotland nobody knew of him six months ago. That’s the reality of it. Over the course of the season he developed into a very good player. I still think this is the best place for him to develop.

Asked what he had noticed in his play against Partick, he said: “Just a lack of confidence, nothing behaviourally. It’s just when you see someone’s confidence being effected. When you see a sort of nervousness when he made a pass.

“I’ve known him long enough now. I saw what he was when I came in and I watched him grow and develop. Then I see where he is now. And I don’t want him to be there. I want him to be the best player he can be.

“But I can reassure the supporters that, for me, this is a player who does want to be here. He genuinely does. I sense that from him, from good conversations which are very open. I feel that. It’s not the case of him not wanting to be here. I don’t believe that.

“I just think it’s something that’s dragged on way, way too long for what, with all due respect is a simple deal. This is a simple deal, not a big multi multi-million pound deal.

“This is a simple deal that should have been sorted out before the end of last season. Now it’s dragged on and on and on.”

Rodgers fears it will be difficult for Armstrong, who is under contract until the end of this season, to get back to the level that he was at last term until the situation is resolved.

“There are certain characteristics with players who can deal with it,” he said. “Some players can do it, I’ve had players before like that. I had (Luis) Suarez who got through it. It’s just the mechanics of the different type of person.

“But that’s something you have to do. No matter what’s going in with the background noise, your money is in your bank every month and every day you’ve got to perform.

“And if not then it’s very simple. I don’t pick the team, the players pick the team. I can mould then and construct them to work a certain way, but that’s how the game goes.

“Listen, Stuart is fine. He’ll be in the squad and he’s a player I’ve really enjoyed working with. That’s one of the frustrations of this, for me, because it’s such a simple deal. Six months ago it should have been organised, sorted and done.

“And how modern football works, if a club wants you from the Premier League they’ll pay for you. Goodness knows, they’ll pay for you. If you’re a player up here in Scotland you don’t need to worry about signing a new deal thinking it’s going to hold you back.

“The game has changed. It doesn’t work like that. You can gain yourself six months’ money and still go if that’s what you want to do.”
http://www.heraldscotland.com/Brendan_Rodgers__Contract
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