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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,068 Views)
bigkev
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Bodom Bhoy
12 Aug 2017, 09:00 AM
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12 Aug 2017, 08:58 AM
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12 Aug 2017, 08:52 AM

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It could have cost us. And nearly did as it was him losing possession easily that put the defence under pressure. Not for the first time this season. Brendan got away with it last night. Just.
Yep, could've cost us two points against Partick Thistle in the second game of the season. Big whoop.
That wouldn't have bothered you?
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12 Aug 2017, 09:02 AM
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Yep, could've cost us two points against Partick Thistle in the second game of the season. Big whoop.
That wouldn't have bothered you?
It would've been a mild irritation in the grand scheme of things. Had the match finished 1-1, I'd be over it already. The other two midfielders we had left on the bench were Ajer and Benyu (I'm including Ajer here even though he's now a CB). Had we brought either of them on and conceded, we'd be asking why we didn't bring on the more experieced Armstrong.

We have to take Ntcham off as he was tiring, is the first choice and will play from the start against Astana on Wednesday. Given the other options, Armstrong was the best choice.

Yes, he's stalling on his contract, and we now know that is affecting him on the pitch. We learned that against Partick Thistle, 2 games in to the season, and didn't lose anything from it. It's now in Armstrong's head for certain that this needs sorted and maybe makes that offer on the table from us and the solidity and progression that playing under Rodgers at Celtic will afford him.

Big picture.
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That wouldn't have bothered you?
It would've been a mild irritation in the grand scheme of things. Had the match finished 1-1, I'd be over it already. The other two midfielders we had left on the bench were Ajer and Benyu (I'm including Ajer here even though he's now a CB). Had we brought either of them on and conceded, we'd be asking why we didn't bring on the more experieced Armstrong.

We have to take Ntcham off as he was tiring, is the first choice and will play from the start against Astana on Wednesday. Given the other options, Armstrong was the best choice.

Yes, he's stalling on his contract, and we now know that is affecting him on the pitch. We learned that against Partick Thistle, 2 games in to the season, and didn't lose anything from it. It's now in Armstrong's head for certain that this needs sorted.

Big picture.
Ha ha. Big picture. We took off two midfielders prior to Nitcham. Anyway I would have been raging if we had thrown points away in a game we dominated.
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It would've been a mild irritation in the grand scheme of things. Had the match finished 1-1, I'd be over it already. The other two midfielders we had left on the bench were Ajer and Benyu (I'm including Ajer here even though he's now a CB). Had we brought either of them on and conceded, we'd be asking why we didn't bring on the more experieced Armstrong.

We have to take Ntcham off as he was tiring, is the first choice and will play from the start against Astana on Wednesday. Given the other options, Armstrong was the best choice.

Yes, he's stalling on his contract, and we now know that is affecting him on the pitch. We learned that against Partick Thistle, 2 games in to the season, and didn't lose anything from it. It's now in Armstrong's head for certain that this needs sorted.

Big picture.
Ha ha. Big picture. We took off two midfielders prior to Nitcham. Anyway I would have been raging if we had thrown points away in a game we dominated.
Yep, we took a midfielder off (one of the 6 playing) to put a striker on and get him as close to 100% fitness for our biggest game of the season. Also took off McGregor (who is also likely to start on wednesday) to keep him fresh for our biggest game of the season and to get Tam Rogic some game time before our biggest game of the season.

Armstrong might be needed to come on for 10 minutes in our biggest game of the season to close it out. We now know that this is not a good idea.

So, yes. Ha ha big picture indeed.
Edited by Bodom Bhoy, 12 Aug 2017, 09:15 AM.
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Ha ha. Big picture. We took off two midfielders prior to Nitcham. Anyway I would have been raging if we had thrown points away in a game we dominated.
Yep, we took a midfielder off (one of the 6 playing) to put a striker on and get him as close to 100% fitness for our biggest game of the season. Also took off McGregor (who is also likely to start on wednesday) to keep him fresh for our biggest game of the season and to get Tam Rogic some game time before our biggest game of the season.

So, yes. Ha ha big picture indeed.
I get the logic however I don't get the manager standing getting interviewed 10 minutes after the game saying that the player he put on is basically all over the place mentally. Anyway no issue with your opinion :thumbsup:
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12 Aug 2017, 08:39 AM
Sign this week or go. Can't have this hopeless lost nonsense effing the team up.
this.

he was hopeless last night, and should be nowhere near Wednesday if that is his mindset.
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New contract or stick him with the kids and he can take his chances in 12 months with anyone who remembers who he is

Terrible when he came on
Agree 100 %
Mercenaries should be taught a lesson.
Stan Petrov did the right thing.
All footballers are mercenaries just as a lot clubs will dump a player as soon as it doesnt suit to keep them.
While it would be better if Armstrong signed a new contract with us I just don't get the anger against him for doing nothing wrong. The guy signed a contract to play for Celtic for three and a half years and at this stage it looks like he is honouring that contract as best be can. Yes the speculation and uncertainty is clearly getting to him but ffs he is not out mouthing 'my Celtic hell' to the media or going on strike etc.
Maybe I have just seen too many players at Celtic over the years who messed the club about in order to break contracts early, including Stan petrov, but I cannot see what the problem is when a player just does what he agreed to do.
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The fans have shown him support and want him to stay. Brendan has openly said he wants him to stay.

Just a shame that he thinks he's above it all. If he plays how he did last night, he will drown in the big bad EPL waters.
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That under hit pass he made to brown when he come on just summed it up perfectly for me. Mind is nowhere near playing football at the moment and confidence shot to pieces.

He deserves a new contract on better terms but he shouldn't be asking for the world.

Sort the contract or go now.

I don't want a player here for a year who has one eye on playing it safe so not to jeopardise any contract with a new club through injury.
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New contract or stick him with the kids and he can take his chances in 12 months with anyone who remembers who he is

Terrible when he came on
Agree 100 %
Mercenaries should be taught a lesson.
Stan Petrov did the right thing.
All footballers are mercenaries just as a lot clubs will dump a player as soon as it doesnt suit to keep them.
While it would be better if Armstrong signed a new contract with us I just don't get the anger against him for doing nothing wrong. The guy signed a contract to play for Celtic for three and a half years and at this stage it looks like he is honouring that contract as best be can. Yes the speculation and uncertainty is clearly getting to him but ffs he is not out mouthing 'my Celtic hell' to the media or going on strike etc.
Maybe I have just seen too many players at Celtic over the years who messed the club about in order to break contracts early, including Stan petrov, but I cannot see what the problem is when a player just does what he agreed to do.
All footballers are mercenaries.
No, many do the right thing by the club that developed them and gave them an opportunity.
Yes look after your own interests but its not a one way street.

While it would be better if Armstrong signed a new contract with us I just don't get the anger against him for doing nothing wrong.
Stuart Armstrong is not recognising what Celtic and BR have done for him.
Celtic are acting both in the interests of the player (he could get a much better move in a few years) and the club in their current stance.
Armstrong is currently sticking 2 fingers up to that.

The guy signed a contract to play for Celtic for three and a half years and at this stage it looks like he is honouring that contract as best be can.
No he is not. He is currently a liability to the team due to his state of mind.

...who messed the club about in order to break contracts early, including Stan petrov....
No. Petrov signed a new contract and subsequently got the move he desired. He left Celtic an even better player, with everyone's best wishes, and a healthy transfer fee for the club.
Petrov did the right thing (in the same circumstance as Armstrong now) which is one of the reasons he is such a favourite.
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It would've been a mild irritation in the grand scheme of things. Had the match finished 1-1, I'd be over it already. The other two midfielders we had left on the bench were Ajer and Benyu (I'm including Ajer here even though he's now a CB). Had we brought either of them on and conceded, we'd be asking why we didn't bring on the more experieced Armstrong.

We have to take Ntcham off as he was tiring, is the first choice and will play from the start against Astana on Wednesday. Given the other options, Armstrong was the best choice.

Yes, he's stalling on his contract, and we now know that is affecting him on the pitch. We learned that against Partick Thistle, 2 games in to the season, and didn't lose anything from it. It's now in Armstrong's head for certain that this needs sorted.

Big picture.
Ha ha. Big picture. We took off two midfielders prior to Nitcham. Anyway I would have been raging if we had thrown points away in a game we dominated.
Me too also. Much as I like Stu he is prone to these moments of slackness
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I'm happy with McGregor in his place at the moment, want him to stay, but this can't drag on
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12 Aug 2017, 08:34 AM
Shouldn't play against Astana unless this is sorted. Rotten last night. His head is gone.
Agree. He was a liability last night.
He was super slack when he came on. My problem in all of this is why is Brendan bringing him on towards the end of a game where we have a one goal lead knowing his head is all over the place? I am not sure where Brendan's head is when he does this. Straight after the match he makes a statement like he does. He shouldn't be anywhere near the team if this is the case. Midfield is one area where we don't need to be taking chances as we have an abundance of players more than capable.
I want Armstrong to stay however if he is wavering then he should just go. Now.
What did he say after the game?
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He was super slack when he came on. My problem in all of this is why is Brendan bringing him on towards the end of a game where we have a one goal lead knowing his head is all over the place? I am not sure where Brendan's head is when he does this. Straight after the match he makes a statement like he does. He shouldn't be anywhere near the team if this is the case. Midfield is one area where we don't need to be taking chances as we have an abundance of players more than capable.
I want Armstrong to stay however if he is wavering then he should just go. Now.
What did he say after the game?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-boss-brendan-rodgers-fires-10973494

Sorry the link is to the record but basically said his head has gone
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12 Aug 2017, 10:26 AM
I'm happy with McGregor in his place at the moment, want him to stay, but this can't drag on
I'm not.

We need Rogic for craft in the team. McGregor - though vastly improved - isn't good enough as a 10
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Woeful at the moment. Staggering decline in such a short period. Would love him to stay and refocus but this contract business is tiresome now. I hope he's intelligent enough to recognise that Celtic is the biggest club he will ever play for.
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A liability last night. I'd be inclined to drop him from the match squad until he either signs a new deal or makes the worst career decision since Liam Miller.
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This should have been sorted weeks ago -- stay or go, I no longer much care which. I like SA and wanted us to sign him but the situation should have been resolved earlier. He's a smart guy but not so much that he can see he's making a career-defining mistake, much like Liam Miller did. Pity.
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A liability last night. I'd be inclined to drop him from the match squad until he either signs a new deal or makes the worst career decision since Liam Miller.
Miller was understandable. A move to Man U is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most players. Even his teammates at Celtic told him to go. The likes of Huddersfield may be able to triple his wages but that's about the only attractive thing about them.

Needs to sign the new deal or we punt him before the window closes. If £3m is the most we can get then so be it.
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