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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,092 Views)
Kingslim
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Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
If he wants to run down his contract we can't do anything about that.

Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
Aye, but allows us to play someone whose committed to the cause.
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macfleeto
26 Jul 2017, 04:18 PM
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26 Jul 2017, 02:34 PM
macfleeto
26 Jul 2017, 01:45 PM
I really hope we haven't lowballed our offer to him.

If not, then I can't get my head around his decision to wait until January because there's literally no reason to play him over Ntcham now since he's working his ticket.
He's fulfilling his contract, as I'm sure we wish all other players to do also.
It's not as simple as that. He finally started to show his potential last season, it makes no sense not to continue that for another year before exploring his options.

Doing it the way he is right now just means he'll stagnate at a crucial stage in development if we drop him over this.
But if we don't drop him, he has a good season, shows up well in the CL and is a free agent at end of season, he's played a blinder. For us, just bad timing. We win plenty, sometimes we have to take a loss. Although 3.5 seasons at decent wages shouldn't be considered a loss.
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Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
So you're saying that him having another great season this year particularly in the Champions League, compared to rotting on the bench won't have an impact on the quality of club interested in him?

I don't think so.
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Kingslim
26 Jul 2017, 04:36 PM
Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
If he wants to run down his contract we can't do anything about that.

Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
Aye, but allows us to play someone whose committed to the cause.
Like who? Tierney is probably the only one that would knock back a decent offer from the EPL. And even that won't last forever. Be realistic. Only if he shows unwilling or avoiding injury etc should he be dropped.
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macfleeto
26 Jul 2017, 04:43 PM
Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
So you're saying that him having another great season this year particularly in the Champions League, compared to rotting on the bench won't have an impact on the quality of club interested in him?

I don't think so.
No. I'm saying that the teams willing to sign him now will still be interested in signing him in 5 months on a pre-contract even if he doesn't play.

Given that VVD and Wanyama went to Southampton I also doubt there's anything he could do this season to get a better move than that.
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26 Jul 2017, 01:03 PM
As I said earlier in this thread, he'll be rightly requesting wages for what we value him at.

We can't have it both ways. He's a 30k player and we should pay it.
He plays in Scotland and has had 8 months or so of decent form. I remember the first old firm thread and people where cracking up when he was brought on.

He has 2 caps for Scotland and played 7 games in Europe since the start of last season.

He is not worth 30k simply because we can't start upsetting the wage structure for one player.
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A bit gutted about this. Our first box to box midfielder since Petrov and we are possibly losing him after one good season?
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Splobwell's played a blinder :ph43r:
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If a player doesn't want to be at a club then it's best they leave and regarding Armstrong you would think with him being so intelligent he would look at those that have jumped ship and regretted it, yes they get a big bank account but that's about it.
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wigwam
26 Jul 2017, 04:43 PM
Kingslim
26 Jul 2017, 04:36 PM
Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
If he wants to run down his contract we can't do anything about that.

Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
Aye, but allows us to play someone whose committed to the cause.
Like who? Tierney is probably the only one that would knock back a decent offer from the EPL. And even that won't last forever. Be realistic. Only if he shows unwilling or avoiding injury etc should he be dropped.
I'd rather have someone like Kouassi getting his chance than Armstrong continuing to play when he's for the off.

This is in the circumstance he signs a pre-contract in January. Happy for him to remain in the team until he's confirmed to be going
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If it's true that his offer was to double his wages to £15k, then I can't for the life of me see Brendan being happy about this.

If fact, this is truly ridiculous, and leaves one to wonder about the supposed upcoming golden era of the club.

Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 26 Jul 2017, 05:26 PM.
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Bhoy_Barker
26 Jul 2017, 05:21 PM
If a player doesn't want to be at a club then it's best they leave and regarding Armstrong you would think with him being so intelligent he would look at those that have jumped ship and regretted it, yes they get a big bank account but that's about it.
A big bank balance is all the vast majority of modern day footballers are interested in. He has no allegiance to Celtic and has won all he possibly can with the club. I like him a lot and I really hope he decides to stay, but in the modern football climate I find it difficult to give a toss when a player decides he can earn more money elsewhere.
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Stringer Bell
26 Jul 2017, 04:31 PM
If he wants to run down his contract we can't do anything about that.

Leaving him out the team won't have any impact on the teams willing to sign him.
In actual fact he would be just fulfilling the terms of the contract he signed. He signed to play for us X years and we agreed to pay him for that period. in the bosman era all we are entitled to ask that a players give of his best for the period of the contract, we are entitled to nothing more. As long as a player keeps giving of his best the manager should still play him if he thinks he is the best option available. I thought by now we would have accepted that with bosman we are going to have periods when we are paying players who will be leaving. That's the way of it nowdays. Imo we should always try and get best value for those payments.

Personally I would like him to stay, and I also believe he would have a better football career if he does. If he is going I can certainly see the argument in selling him at this point to get a fee, if the player will move. - however if Stuart Armstrong wants to leave at the end of his contract that is his right and we should respect that.
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If all he has been offered is 15k per week - given some of the reported salaries down south - it's no wonder he is keeping his option open. He could very likely treble that offer with a move to the likes of Southampton. If that is as far as we will go then he has to be made available now. Why on earth we would lowball him like that after the season he had last year is very, very disappointing.
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Bhoy_Barker
26 Jul 2017, 05:21 PM
If a player doesn't want to be at a club then it's best they leave and regarding Armstrong you would think with him being so intelligent he would look at those that have jumped ship and regretted it, yes they get a big bank account but that's about it.
He's not a Celtic 'fan' (well, not in the same way we all are, brought up with it from a young age and fully steeped in the history) - at least, I don't think he is or that Celtic was his boyhood club so the big bank account is probably very potent motivation. Not that playing for his boyhood heroes need necessarily prompt a player to ignore offers of ridiculous money elsewhere for the sake of the 'jersey' but we don't even have that intangible hold on him.
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Archibald P Treadwhistle
26 Jul 2017, 05:28 PM
Bhoy_Barker
26 Jul 2017, 05:21 PM
If a player doesn't want to be at a club then it's best they leave and regarding Armstrong you would think with him being so intelligent he would look at those that have jumped ship and regretted it, yes they get a big bank account but that's about it.
He's not a Celtic 'fan' (well, not in the same way we all are, brought up with it from a young age and fully steeped in the history) - at least, I don't think he is or that Celtic was his boyhood club so the big bank account is probably very potent motivation. Not that playing for his boyhood heroes need necessarily prompt a player to ignore offers of ridiculous money elsewhere for the sake of the 'jersey' but we don't even have that intangible hold on him.
Even a Celtic fan wouldn't turn down trebling your wage on a short career, if they were sane.
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It's a moral issue, this one.

If he doesn't pish his money away, he'll never need to do a stroke in his life whether he leaves now or next summer. Just not very nice of the man, really.
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26 Jul 2017, 03:15 PM
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26 Jul 2017, 03:10 PM
He's doing a Maloney -- madness to think otherwise.

He's been terrific since coming on as a sub in the first zombies game but he might not be as smart as he thinks he is. If he doesn't sign, playing with the stiffs is not the only option. He could easily find himself behind CalMac and Olivier as first pick and spend the next year on the bench making occasional 10-minute cameos. How much would he earn in England if that should pan out? More than his new offer, probably, but not the money he thinks he's worth. He thinks he has four aces but Celtic have a flush.
Would need to be a straight or royal flush to beat 4 aces mind.
:thumbsup: I meant a straight flush! :brickwall:

If a royal flush is up against four aces, the game is bent! :lol:
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26 Jul 2017, 02:33 PM

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Who isn't?

I don't go to my work for the atmosphere.
Aye well you did insist on becoming an astronaut.
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popeyed
26 Jul 2017, 05:33 PM
It's a moral issue, this one.

If he doesn't pish his money away, he'll never need to do a stroke in his life whether he leaves now or next summer. Just not very nice of the man, really.
If his form was poor, we'd release him. No room for sentiment, either side.
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