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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,106 Views)
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Ste
19 Jul 2017, 01:14 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:58 AM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:19 AM

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Rogic's ability to keep the ball and find pockets of space to pick difficult passes will be absolutely crucial to us in the CL.

Too often in these games we're guilty of giving the ball away needlessly.
Too often we struggle to win the ball back when we don't have it. Away from home in Europe I'd be surprised to see Rogic starting if we had Armstrong, Brown and Ntcham available. Rogic is a player who excels when we have more of the ball.
Not for me. He should be playing every game he's available and I think that'll be the case.
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Forcing a player to train with the young team to 'send a message'? That's a Sevconian strategy. See: Mckay, Barrie.

No thanks.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:57 PM
To say we won't miss him is complete rubbish. Don't delude yourselves on that.

But if he wants to leave and we have offered the best we can then so be it.
Exactly this.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:57 PM
To say we won't miss him is complete rubbish. Don't delude yourselves on that.

But if he wants to leave and we have offered the best we can then so be it.
Bit of an obvious Point I am making, but we will only miss him if we don't replace him with similar quality player.

I have a feeling that if he is going, then the club already realise this and they will either be scouting replacement or believe they already have one.

Plenty of time in the window left.

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If he isn't willing to sign a new contract by the first two weeks in August then we need to sell him, he cannot be allowed to run his contract down.
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antbhoy
19 Jul 2017, 01:37 PM
If he isn't willing to sign a new contract by the first two weeks in August then we need to sell him, he cannot be allowed to run his contract down.
We can't force him to leave. It doesn't work like that. We can accept bids and he might not leave.

He can get a higher wage as a Bosman.
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Will miss him
Really came on to a game this season under Brendan. But if he wants to try down south, then I completely understand. Thanks for the memories, goals etc. All the best Stuart.
He will be remembered as part of the Invincibles team
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I'd rather he didn't go, but more than anything I'm gobsmacked that in Ntcham we may actually have already signed his replacement. Forward planning, at Celtic :rubeyes:
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Of course we'd miss him after what he contributed last season.

I still think his goal tally could be somewhat replaced by a fully fit Rogic having a full season uninterrupted by injury. Been really unlucky with injuries in his two seasons in the team, and I have no doubt he'd have bettered Armstrong's tally if he hadn't missed about 4 months of last season. So that's something to hold onto.

The box-to-box dynamism and composure he brings is harder to replace and I think that's where the big problem lies.
Edited by san meegs, 19 Jul 2017, 01:47 PM.
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19 Jul 2017, 01:40 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 01:37 PM
If he isn't willing to sign a new contract by the first two weeks in August then we need to sell him, he cannot be allowed to run his contract down.
We can't force him to leave. It doesn't work like that. We can accept bids and he might not leave.

He can get a higher wage as a Bosman.
We can then not play him, if he doesn't want to be here then best for both parties if he goes.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:08 PM
When you sign a player you know full well he's only committed to the length of that contract unless he accepts a new deal.

Seems moronic to be complaining if a player says I'll honor my contract then I want to go elsewhere, as for the accusations he won't try as much.

Henrik Larsson made it clear he was leaving in 2002, he was as brilliant as ever in 2002/03 & 2003/04,
This doesn't apply to Armstrong but i do laugh when clubs moan about players showing a lack of loyalty because, when it comes to players who are of no value to the club, they can't get them out the door fast enough. If you take a poor signing like Ciftci, as an example, Celtic aren't sitting there thinking 'We've given this guy a four-year contract so the right thing to do is to honour that'. Instead, we'll no doubt be trying everything to get him off the wage bill up to and no doubt including eventually doing a deal with him to leave early if it becomes apparent that no-one will take him. If he refuses to move, we'll pay his wages until his contract expires but only because it's a legal requirement to do so - not because we feel we owe him anything.
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Dhogtanian
19 Jul 2017, 01:40 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 01:37 PM
If he isn't willing to sign a new contract by the first two weeks in August then we need to sell him, he cannot be allowed to run his contract down.
We can't force him to leave. It doesn't work like that. We can accept bids and he might not leave.

He can get a higher wage as a Bosman.
He'll get a much lesser wage after a season of kicking about in the reserves. It's a two way street.

A lot of players are only able to really flourish in certain systems or under certain managers and I get the impression Stuart is one of those guys. I think he'll struggle to get game time or make any real impact down there. He's had one decent spell for us. So did Kayal, Izaguirre and Johansen. If his heart isn't in it I'd be fine with him going so long as there's money to reinvest.
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Stuart Armstrong was one of our best players last season who is only going to improve, he gives us something different from midfield and score goals.

Him being at Celtic next year is only a positive in a footballing sense.

If he was to leave next year for free most of us would feel annoyed but if he was to sign a new contract and then leave next year then most of us would be content with a big pay off for Celtic.

So for me it's all about money, isn't most things though?

For me if he wants to go next year, then sell him now or if he signs a new contract then we cash in next summer. This is because the money we can get can help strengthen the team moving forward. 1 more year of Stuart Armstrong in a Celtic jersey isn't going to define our whole season.
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I'll be pretty gutted if he goes. He seems like a sensible guy with a good head on his shoulders. He doesn't seem devious or sly in any way. So, with that in mind, I don't think he is playing with us or anything akin to it.

Moreover, he is the type of player that Brendan likes and who has done remarkably well under him in a short period of time. Who knows what the future would hold for him if he stayed for another 3 years.

That said, if he is to go, £10million would make the pain a little more palatable.
Edited by Davybhoy344, 19 Jul 2017, 02:21 PM.
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He is the kind of player we want to retain. In form, in a good team. Fit, can run. Team player. Scores good goals from outside the box with either foot. An intelligent footballer, quick thinking and can see a pass.

I'd rather he stayed. Sure, we might get in a replacement just as good, but we might not.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:08 PM
When you sign a player you know full well he's only committed to the length of that contract unless he accepts a new deal.

Seems moronic to be complaining if a player says I'll honor my contract then I want to go elsewhere, as for the accusations he won't try as much.

Henrik Larsson made it clear he was leaving in 2002, he was as brilliant as ever in 2002/03 & 2003/04,
That's the Henrik Larsson sweep done. Anyone have Butters at 12:08?
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19 Jul 2017, 02:32 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:08 PM
When you sign a player you know full well he's only committed to the length of that contract unless he accepts a new deal.

Seems moronic to be complaining if a player says I'll honor my contract then I want to go elsewhere, as for the accusations he won't try as much.

Henrik Larsson made it clear he was leaving in 2002, he was as brilliant as ever in 2002/03 & 2003/04,
That's the Henrik Larsson sweep done. Anyone have Butters at 12:08?
"As an online Celtic discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Henrik Larsson approaches 1"
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19 Jul 2017, 02:35 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 02:32 PM
Butters
19 Jul 2017, 12:08 PM
When you sign a player you know full well he's only committed to the length of that contract unless he accepts a new deal.

Seems moronic to be complaining if a player says I'll honor my contract then I want to go elsewhere, as for the accusations he won't try as much.

Henrik Larsson made it clear he was leaving in 2002, he was as brilliant as ever in 2002/03 & 2003/04,
That's the Henrik Larsson sweep done. Anyone have Butters at 12:08?
"As an online Celtic discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Henrik Larsson approaches 1"
Ghodwin's Law.
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19 Jul 2017, 10:55 AM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:51 AM
Remind anyone of Liam Miller situation
I think its different in the sense Armstrong is a lot more of a seasoned pro than Miller was and would be leaving far better equipped than Miller was.
armstrong more of a seasoned pro but miller ran lyon ragged in that cl game (and did really well in anor)

miller should have stayed and armstrong should stay too

wee fergus had one of his favourite sayings for this about stars which iirc he used around time of simon donnelly departure
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sevilliano
19 Jul 2017, 02:51 PM
puroresu_boy
19 Jul 2017, 10:55 AM
Busbhoy
19 Jul 2017, 10:51 AM
Remind anyone of Liam Miller situation
I think its different in the sense Armstrong is a lot more of a seasoned pro than Miller was and would be leaving far better equipped than Miller was.
armstrong more of a seasoned pro but miller ran lyon ragged in that cl game (and did really well in anor)

miller should have stayed and armstrong should stay too

wee fergus had one of his favourite sayings for this about stars which iirc he used around time of simon donnelly departure
What was the saying? :ponder:
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