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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,110 Views)
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18 Jul 2017, 07:52 PM
I still think he'll sign a new deal.
same. no inside info or actual logic but i can still see him signing on again and wanting to work with brendan for another year or 2 at least
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18 Jul 2017, 07:18 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Eh yeah.... but does that mean he will sign a new deal? .... otherwise we are weaker in Jan 😡
For talking sake if he is here in January and hasn't signed a new deal we probably won't punt him.

No team will want to pay decent money to take him straight away when they can wait until end of season and get him for nothing.
True, it's possible he wants to go as a free agent. Or that we want him to stay for now in the gamble that he signs on again next year, or that we can't replace him with better for the money being offered.

He's one I'd be happy to keep for another year if he wants to stay then leave as a free agent. For what we paid for him, if we get another good season and he gets a good deal elsewhere on the back of it, it will have been good value all round. We've made plenty in transfers and CL money recently. If BR (and Armstrong himself) are happy with that, it's all good. Some stability of known quality for very little outlay.
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18 Jul 2017, 08:00 PM
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18 Jul 2017, 07:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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For talking sake if he is here in January and hasn't signed a new deal we probably won't punt him.

No team will want to pay decent money to take him straight away when they can wait until end of season and get him for nothing.
True, it's possible he wants to go as a free agent. Or that we want him to stay for now in the gamble that he signs on again next year, or that we can't replace him with better for the money being offered.

He's one I'd be happy to keep for another year if he wants to stay then leave as a free agent. For what we paid for him, if we get another good season and he gets a good deal elsewhere on the back of it, it will have been good value all round. We've made plenty in transfers and CL money recently. If BR (and Armstrong himself) are happy with that, it's all good. Some stability of known quality for very little outlay.
Assuming that he's both willing to leave and willing to stay another year, then the club has to weigh up whether selling him for £8-10m would significantly (adversely) impact our chances to make £25m.

I think we qualify with or without him, so if he's willing to go I'd take the money now.

I'd still prefer he signed a new deal though.
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18 Jul 2017, 08:10 PM
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18 Jul 2017, 07:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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True, it's possible he wants to go as a free agent. Or that we want him to stay for now in the gamble that he signs on again next year, or that we can't replace him with better for the money being offered.

He's one I'd be happy to keep for another year if he wants to stay then leave as a free agent. For what we paid for him, if we get another good season and he gets a good deal elsewhere on the back of it, it will have been good value all round. We've made plenty in transfers and CL money recently. If BR (and Armstrong himself) are happy with that, it's all good. Some stability of known quality for very little outlay.
Assuming that he's both willing to leave and willing to stay another year, then the club has to weigh up whether selling him for £8-10m would significantly (adversely) impact our chances to make £25m.

I think we qualify with or without him, so if he's willing to go I'd take the money now.

I'd still prefer he signed a new deal though.
We won't get £8-10 million for him with a year on his deal surely.

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18 Jul 2017, 08:12 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Assuming that he's both willing to leave and willing to stay another year, then the club has to weigh up whether selling him for £8-10m would significantly (adversely) impact our chances to make £25m.

I think we qualify with or without him, so if he's willing to go I'd take the money now.

I'd still prefer he signed a new deal though.
We won't get £8-10 million for him with a year on his deal surely.

Depends how many clubs are in for him. I've seen Southampton, West Ham, Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley from these various pages that have him going. If you have that many after him there's no question we'd get that I think.
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18 Jul 2017, 07:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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True, it's possible he wants to go as a free agent. Or that we want him to stay for now in the gamble that he signs on again next year, or that we can't replace him with better for the money being offered.

He's one I'd be happy to keep for another year if he wants to stay then leave as a free agent. For what we paid for him, if we get another good season and he gets a good deal elsewhere on the back of it, it will have been good value all round. We've made plenty in transfers and CL money recently. If BR (and Armstrong himself) are happy with that, it's all good. Some stability of known quality for very little outlay.
Assuming that he's both willing to leave and willing to stay another year, then the club has to weigh up whether selling him for £8-10m would significantly (adversely) impact our chances to make £25m.

I think we qualify with or without him, so if he's willing to go I'd take the money now.

I'd still prefer he signed a new deal though.
Tough call whether he'd make the difference. With Broonie always potentially picking up knocks (age, style, previous etc) we'd be very light on proven midfielders in qualifying. Most already on bookings too. I think if 8-10m is on the table, take it. Maybe it isn't though? How much until it's not worth the risk? 5m? 4m?

That depends on him being willing to go too. He may well fancy being free next year.
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
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18 Jul 2017, 08:23 PM
Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
I did say "assuming he's both willing to stay and willing to leave". :thumbsup:
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
With the number of central midfielders we have he could well find himself entirely frozen out. I don't think he's played at a consistently high level for long enough to risk losing a year. I don't see it as too likely a scenario.
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
That'd be a great way of getting himself a 10 month sabbatical :arrr:
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Regardless of whether he signs a new deal or not I would make him train with the U19s.
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18 Jul 2017, 08:12 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Assuming that he's both willing to leave and willing to stay another year, then the club has to weigh up whether selling him for £8-10m would significantly (adversely) impact our chances to make £25m.

I think we qualify with or without him, so if he's willing to go I'd take the money now.

I'd still prefer he signed a new deal though.
We won't get £8-10 million for him with a year on his deal surely.

Supposedly, Southampton are willing to pay 8m for him now and are prepared to give him 45k per week.
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I don't recall Van Dijk, Wanyama or Forster being subjected to the same "he's making a huge mistake" type posts when they left Celtic for Southampton. Is that because most people felt, unlike Armstrong, they were good enough to use Southampton as a stepping stone to something better? Or is it because we've progressed as a team over the past 12 months to the extent that folk now see us as a much better proposition than a couple of years ago?
The Van Dijk threads in particular were effing car crashes near the end of his time. 'Not as good as he thinks he is' ect.

Wanyama's passing would never get him to the top level, Forster actually got a fairly balanced send off, I'm sure. So there's that.

Everyone gets a downgrade in ability, or a bit of a kicking on here when rumours of a departure rear their head.
Anyone could see Wanyama and particularly van dijkwere special fwiw I think 10 m is a brilliant offer
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
With the number of central midfielders we have he could well find himself entirely frozen out. I don't think he's played at a consistently high level for long enough to risk losing a year. I don't see it as too likely a scenario.
Armstrong, alongside Brown and Sinclair are the first 3 names on the team sheet.

This mental gymnastics, this need to minimise his abilities to make his possible departure less sore is fascinating though.

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Kieran as well of course.
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
With the number of central midfielders we have he could well find himself entirely frozen out. I don't think he's played at a consistently high level for long enough to risk losing a year. I don't see it as too likely a scenario.
Armstrong, alongside Brown and Sinclair are the first 3 names on the team sheet.

This mental gymnastics, this need to minimise his abilities to make his possible departure less sore is fascinating though.

I actually agree with that part of it, however; if he insisted on sitting it out I could see us sidelining him. At this moment in time in addition to Brown and Rogic there is Ntcham, Benyu, McGregor, Bitton and Henderson. Clubs have elected to make an example of players refusing to sign or move on in the last year. I think a year on the sidelines could damage his value and options. Not detrimentally but somewhat so.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing that Stuart Armstrong won't be leaving in this window.</p>— Celtic Underground (@celticrumours) <a href="https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/887374623830134784">July 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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We won't get £8-10 million for him with a year on his deal surely.

Depends how many clubs are in for him. I've seen Southampton, West Ham, Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley from these various pages that have him going. If you have that many after him there's no question we'd get that I think.
"Southampton, West Ham, Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley"

What a collection of average-ness, or worse. But an EPL wage of $45k pw is what it is :nono:
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that plonker agent kevin on twitter saying Armstrong has handed in a transfer request to force a move to stoke city😂😂😂... someone should shut that account down
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Armstrong himself might just decide to stick it out a year. Then move for zilch.
With the number of central midfielders we have he could well find himself entirely frozen out. I don't think he's played at a consistently high level for long enough to risk losing a year. I don't see it as too likely a scenario.
Armstrong, alongside Brown and Sinclair are the first 3 names on the team sheet.

This mental gymnastics, this need to minimise his abilities to make his possible departure less sore is fascinating though.

It's a common phase of grieving. My late uncle told me that, the carrot.
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Kieran as well of course.
I don't know about putting him in front of Dembele or Gordon either. Not that he isn't better than Gordon necessarily, just that within our current team he's more easily replaced with a less significant impact not the side than Gordon (by McGregor and I assume, Ntcham).

Making him the all-important "sixth name on the team sheet", then.

FWIW I agree in keeping him, even at a significant wage rise. For no other reason than it's cheaper to retain player you know the value of and that you've got than all the attendant expenditure of a transfer on a player who is untested.
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