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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,116 Views)
44bhoy
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macca89
17 Jul 2017, 09:27 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 09:18 AM
He would be a silly laddie to leave just now and end up at a mid table EPL club, another cracking season and good displays in Europe and he could more than likely get a wage nearer 70/80k per week at a top six EPL side or decent foreign team.

If his head is elsewhere and money is all that is important to him i don't want him at the club anyway and if we got around 5m for him it has paid for his replacement, like many before him he will regret it though :(
Disagree. He will have a better chance of getting a huge contract by signing for and performing well for a mid table club like Southampton.

Unfortunately, the world seems to revolve around the Premier League so that will be where he would get the most attention.
Spot on.

It's absolutely ridiculous that you can improve your chances of a move to a top team by playing for Southampton over Celtic. Unfortunately, that's just the way of it these days.
True. Maybe the only way of changing that would be getting into the group stage, then 16, then last eight. Even under BR, for me, 5% chance of that.
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17 Jul 2017, 12:54 AM
I don't think Armstrong has addressed the weaker parts of his game enough yet to be cashing in his chips for the EPL.

He needs to look around his team just now to see the level of player thats chosen to join to get an education under BR and ask himself if hes ready for what happens if you frequently give away passes straight to the opposition in the middle of the park in the top league in the world, which he will do.
Any half decent attacking midfielder gives the ball away a load.

Top tv deal in the world, that's it.
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Good player, and much improved, but still ha weaknesses, particularly in Europe where he is guilty of giving the ball away too cheaply. If he moves on at a good profit then best of luck to him.

If only we could move on guys like Ciftci ...
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Totally gutted if it's true and he leaves.
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puroresu_boy
17 Jul 2017, 10:35 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:31 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:21 AM

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No but the club has to protect itself. We have several midfield players who have committed their future playing career to the club and one who hasn't. SA has every right to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family. CFC has every right to what they think is best for the club. Player X who will be here at the start of next season might well become a much better player if he gets game time in the coming season. If that be the case we should play X before SA !
Surely you pick the team from the best players available. If Armstrong is one of those he plays regardless of his contract situation.
Are you suggesting that we really need SA to beat any of the dross that we play in Scotland?
SA's CFC was going nowhere this time last year. Brendan has made a huge difference to his game, as he has to several others. All I'm suggesting is that if SA doesn't resign then the club should look at alternatives before accommodating him!
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You'd pay £3m for Armstrong if he was on the market, right? So why not 'sign' him for that same £3m but give the money to him? 3 year deal = £20.000/wk increase in wages.
We keep Armstrong, he gets a salary in the region of what he is being offered and he plays in Champion's League.

No lose situation IMO
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jbj712
17 Jul 2017, 10:31 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:21 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:00 AM

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You still living in the 80s?

:cuckoo:
No but the club has to protect itself. We have several midfield players who have committed their future playing career to the club and one who hasn't. SA has every right to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family. CFC has every right to what they think is best for the club. Player X who will be here at the start of next season might well become a much better player if he gets game time in the coming season. If that be the case we should play X before SA !
The transfer system works both ways. We've benefitted a hellavu lot from freedom of contract, particularly in cross-border UK deals. Occasionally it'll work against us. That's not always avoidable, unfortunately,

I agree that the club should do everything it can (off the field) to offload a player rather than see him run down their contract. But if the player stays, that's his choice. And the manager picks the best team for the match, the finance guys shouldn't have a say in it.
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17 Jul 2017, 09:27 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 09:18 AM
He would be a silly laddie to leave just now and end up at a mid table EPL club, another cracking season and good displays in Europe and he could more than likely get a wage nearer 70/80k per week at a top six EPL side or decent foreign team.

If his head is elsewhere and money is all that is important to him i don't want him at the club anyway and if we got around 5m for him it has paid for his replacement, like many before him he will regret it though :(
Disagree. He will have a better chance of getting a huge contract by signing for and performing well for a mid table club like Southampton.

Unfortunately, the world seems to revolve around the Premier League so that will be where he would get the most attention.
Spot on.

It's absolutely ridiculous that you can improve your chances of a move to a top team by playing for Southampton over Celtic. Unfortunately, that's just the way of it these days.
VVD quote:

Ive learnt more at Southampton in a few months than I did in my whole time at Celtic

Was under Ronny right enough :lol:
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17 Jul 2017, 10:55 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:31 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:21 AM

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No but the club has to protect itself. We have several midfield players who have committed their future playing career to the club and one who hasn't. SA has every right to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family. CFC has every right to what they think is best for the club. Player X who will be here at the start of next season might well become a much better player if he gets game time in the coming season. If that be the case we should play X before SA !
The transfer system works both ways. We've benefitted a hellavu lot from freedom of contract, particularly in cross-border UK deals. Occasionally it'll work against us. That's not always avoidable, unfortunately,

I agree that the club should do everything it can (off the field) to offload a player rather than see him run down their contract. But if the player stays, that's his choice. And the manager picks the best team for the match, the finance guys shouldn't have a say in it.
Not suggesting the finance guys have any say at all. Just think that Brendan obviously spent time with SA that paid off for both parties last season, this season perhaps he should spend that time with others who have committed to the club. That way the club sends the message that they reward guys who wants to stay!
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jbj712
17 Jul 2017, 11:00 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 10:55 AM
jbj712
17 Jul 2017, 10:31 AM

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The transfer system works both ways. We've benefitted a hellavu lot from freedom of contract, particularly in cross-border UK deals. Occasionally it'll work against us. That's not always avoidable, unfortunately,

I agree that the club should do everything it can (off the field) to offload a player rather than see him run down their contract. But if the player stays, that's his choice. And the manager picks the best team for the match, the finance guys shouldn't have a say in it.
Not suggesting the finance guys have any say at all. Just think that Brendan obviously spent time with SA that paid off for both parties last season, this season perhaps he should spend that time with others who have committed to the club. That way the club sends the message that they reward guys who wants to stay!
I think it would have the opposite effect and its the kind of thing that splits dressing rooms.

You cant just a dump a player in the reserves because he doesn't sign a contract. I don't think players take too kindly to things like that, its petty and not feasible in the modern game.

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VVD quote:

I've learnt more at Southampton in a few months than I did in my whole time at Celtic


His probably right in the sense his learnt a lot more in real game experience. At Southampton his coming up against a far better quality of opposing players and his instincts, sharpness and game intelligence will have to be a lot higher for him to succeed than it would in Scotland.


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Im sure VVD said on twitter afterwards he had been missed quoted with that comment.
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17 Jul 2017, 11:32 AM
Im sure VVD said on twitter afterwards he had been missed quoted with that comment.
He did :thumbsup:
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Armstrong is making a big mistake if he goes

As others have said VVD and Wanyama were coasting in the spfl before they went

Armstrong has impressed for 6 months at most and he's doing that in a celtic side which gave him so many options

If he goes to West brom or southampton or any other team like these - who aren't as good as celtic - at this stage i think he'll get found out quickly and there won't be any friendly BR there to work it thru

And there'll be precious few win bonuses

Even were he to be getting 20k more per week with tax off that he's going for less than 600k a year more - and he could claw that back with his next deal by taking a bigger chunk of transfer fee itself and'or any further sell on

Its not rocket science stuart - you are good but not that good and BR can make you that good - sign on for 2 with option of third
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17 Jul 2017, 11:46 AM
Armstrong is making a big mistake if he goes

As others have said VVD and Wanyama were coasting in the spfl before they went

Armstrong has impressed for 6 months at most and he's doing that in a celtic side which gave him so many options

If he goes to West brom or southampton or any other team like these - who aren't as good as celtic - at this stage i think he'll get found out quickly and there won't be any friendly BR there to work it thru

And there'll be precious few win bonuses

Even were he to be getting 20k more per week with tax off that he's going for less than 600k a year more - and he could claw that back with his next deal by taking a bigger chunk of transfer fee itself and'or any further sell on

Its not rocket science stuart - you are good but not that good and BR can make you that good - sign on for 2 with option of third
He'd do well to remember his recent Scotland performance against England. That's the equivalent of Southampton going up against the top 6 clubs down there. He was one of the poorer performers that day and likely found it frustrating due to the lack of movement in front of him, little time to pick out basic or clever passes and eventually was one of the main culprits in conceding their equalizing goal.
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Good luck and all that jazz.

This is a club moving forward, with it without those luscious locks!
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If we can get a decent fee now then move him on. I've no problem if he stays but if we want to push on as a club then we need better players than SA anyhoo (that's not saying he's not worth his place currently BTW).

He's had a decent 6 months or so, but he's not worth turning down a decent offer for.

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Celtic should move to sort this out asap. It's been dragging on for months. If the boy wants to go, get the money in for him and lets get on with it.

If we're haggling over a few k. Just pay it and settle this.

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17 Jul 2017, 11:46 AM
Armstrong is making a big mistake if he goes

As others have said VVD and Wanyama were coasting in the spfl before they went

Armstrong has impressed for 6 months at most and he's doing that in a celtic side which gave him so many options

If he goes to West brom or southampton or any other team like these - who aren't as good as celtic - at this stage i think he'll get found out quickly and there won't be any friendly BR there to work it thru

And there'll be precious few win bonuses

Even were he to be getting 20k more per week with tax off that he's going for less than 600k a year more - and he could claw that back with his next deal by taking a bigger chunk of transfer fee itself and'or any further sell on

Its not rocket science stuart - you are good but not that good and BR can make you that good - sign on for 2 with option of third
so from a "Boardl" viewpoint...

we can sell someone not "very good", and only shown "6 months" of good football with us for megabucks!

No brainer really!!
no point in trying to get him to stay at all!
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17 Jul 2017, 10:36 AM
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17 Jul 2017, 09:27 AM
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Spot on.

It's absolutely ridiculous that you can improve your chances of a move to a top team by playing for Southampton over Celtic. Unfortunately, that's just the way of it these days.
True. Maybe the only way of changing that would be getting into the group stage, then 16, then last eight. Even under BR, for me, 5% chance of that.
If we got to the last 8 of the CL we would have hardly any team left for next season, but plenty of money for a rebuild.
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