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| Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal. | |
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| Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,129 Views) | |
| Forza | 13 Jul 2017, 11:01 AM Post #3321 |
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Considering retirement
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The thing with Armstrong is that it's bad enough to potentially lose him from a Celtic perspective. But he'd be potentially heading to the Premier League to become bit part, as a Scottish midfielder at a good age who's recently made himself a first pick for the national team. Seen it so many times before. Players leave a good thing, become bit part down south, and the national team is down a good player on form, because they are playing irregularly. There will be plenty on here who couldn't care less about that, but you don't need to look too far for evidence of where it goes wrong for the national team (aware there's more than one problem) when you've got several starters who've maybe played the equivalent of 2 games in 10 for their club side. Fair enough, he'd no doubt be confident enough to go down there and become a regular in a team like Southampton's, but it's hardly a guarantee. Delaying it at least a year seems logical from a playing perspective, if not from a financial one. With a weighty new contract at Celtic, we could ask for a fair old price next summer, and presumably that would partly be reflected in the terms he's then offered by the buying club. |
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| Dubz | 13 Jul 2017, 11:03 AM Post #3322 |
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Getting on a bit
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I'm still confident he will sign on again. He's a clever boy and knows his progress will continue under Rodgers. This he only played well for a few months is not really true. He started being in the first 11 regularly late October/November but his performances when coming on as sub were good more often than not. He more than deserved his starting slot. He was outstanding v sevco in September when he came on just after halftime. |
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| He Cometh | 13 Jul 2017, 11:03 AM Post #3323 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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For Brendan to spend £4.5m of our cash (and from what I've read about him) my money's on the former. He certainly plays the exact same way as Armstrong, box to box, can play deeper but prefers playing further forward. I'll stand by my assertion that if needed he could easily step into Armstrongs role. |
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| Flawless | 13 Jul 2017, 11:07 AM Post #3324 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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Let's hope so. |
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| Forza | 13 Jul 2017, 11:08 AM Post #3325 |
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Considering retirement
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Sometimes we are, sometimes we are not. That's the nature of football. Don't see the need for sweeping statements when they are patently not true all of the time. 17 goals and 7 assists in 43 games is a lot to replace from midfield. When Armstrong was on his game last season (which was a lot), we were a far slicker side (Paddy helped immeasurably too). His contribution at Ibrox on Hogmanay was absolutely immense and had everything you would want from a midfielder. More dimensional than you would get from Bitton or Brown for example. For me, it only made it better that it was coming from a Scottish lad. Everybody remembers Moussa from that day because of his goal and keeping the ball down the corner for what felt like 20 minutes. But Armstrong was head and shoulders that day, and it wasn't the only time over the season. In a summer where it looks like we won't have Paddy back, it would be a shame to lose another good technical player at the same time. On purely last season alone, big shoes to fill, and I don't really see any point in people denying it. |
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| Big Drew | 13 Jul 2017, 11:21 AM Post #3326 |
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Rio Fergus McCann CSC
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Im not denying it. But its no big deal. |
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| Bobby Peru | 13 Jul 2017, 11:37 AM Post #3327 |
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The Maestro
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Armstrong is an exceptional finisher. Look at how many of his goals are placed away from the keeper, not just lashed in. He scored more goals from central midfield last season than anyone in our history. I accept that it may turn out that last term was the peak of his career but the idea that he can be easily replaced is fanciful to say he least and smacks of people preparing themselves for the player leaving. |
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| CaltonBhoy1967 | 13 Jul 2017, 11:37 AM Post #3328 |
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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Armstrong is a very important player for us now but is not irreplaceable - Until Rodgers's got Armstrong playing well not many would have been that fussed if he went the way of GMS albeit he has always been a better player than him.Would really like him to stay and try and kick on again with Celtic due to said importance but if the dosh or whatever lures him away so be it - Fwiw I don't think he will necessarily do as well with Southampton or whoever as he did with us - Rodgers was absolutely pivotal in the improvement in Armstrong. Rodgers is aware that Brown is fitter than most of his age and will hopefully play at his current level for few seasons more for Celtic but he is 32 and there will come a time down the line that he won't play every game and Rodgers has talked about this - The "top of his game" Armstrong could lead us but Rodgers has real belief in Eboue (unlike a lot on Kds) and Nitcham is as has been pointed out by others a Unit with a box to box engine who can see and pick a pass. Armstrong stays we will be fine - Armstrong leaves he will be replaced (not easily) but in Brendan We Trust and again we will be fine.
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| Flawless | 13 Jul 2017, 11:45 AM Post #3329 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 13 Jul 2017, 11:46 AM Post #3330 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Why is it fanciful BP? Midfield is a popular position so there's a massive pool to choose from if you need a replacement. Me personally I hope he stays but if he leaves it's no big deal. There are replacements out there so it's a question of picking wisely. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 13 Jul 2017, 11:47 AM Post #3331 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Like a dog with a bone the day bud
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| Smiley | 13 Jul 2017, 11:49 AM Post #3332 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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The bit about the record amount of goals scored from midfield is telling. When was the last time we had someone score so many goals from his position? If he's so easily replaced why is it so rare? |
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| Bobby Peru | 13 Jul 2017, 11:50 AM Post #3333 |
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The Maestro
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The fact that is a case of 'picking wisely' proves he isn't easy to replace. We've lost better players than him in the past and flourished but the idea we just flick through a footballer catalogue, go to the 'goal scoring midfielder' section and choose one isn't how it works. |
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| Forza | 13 Jul 2017, 11:52 AM Post #3334 |
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Considering retirement
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Because you don't replace 15 league goals (none of which were penalties) in 31 league games "easily", regardless of how attacking a team Celtic are. Looking at purely numbers from any Celtic era will tell you that. There seems to be a thesis here that purely Rodgers and others in the team created the conditions that allowed Armstrong to flourish. Not that he had any part in making that happen himself through hard work, good attitude, game intelligence and technical ability. It is completely wrong. He's an accomplished player. Losing him and Roberts in the same summer would be a considerable blow. |
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| CaltonBhoy1967 | 13 Jul 2017, 11:52 AM Post #3335 |
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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Good point on his goals. Rodgers talks of the fact he wants his teams to be capable of scoring from all over the park which is in effect what we had last season but we do need a box to box midfield player who can get on the end of the build up play ad score - Armstrong is as pointed out excellent at that. Stat re most goals from central midfield in our history I don't agree - Dalglish had several seasons in midfield whereby he scored many more than Armstrong. Jimmy McMenemy had a season whereby he got 23 iirc from midfield. There are possibly others. |
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| Ste | 13 Jul 2017, 11:53 AM Post #3336 |
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The Eagle Has Landed
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Armstrong has only been a goalscoring midfielder for us for about 6 months since 2015. He had a great season - there is no disputing that - but we can't guarantee he'll do the same next season. |
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| Quiet Assasin | 13 Jul 2017, 11:55 AM Post #3337 |
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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It's that song that's driven him away. Bastards. |
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| Bobby Peru | 13 Jul 2017, 11:56 AM Post #3338 |
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The Maestro
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I did say I accept last season could well prove to his peak. To be fair to him though it's the only time he's had an extended run in his preferrred position. |
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| riddlehouse | 13 Jul 2017, 11:58 AM Post #3339 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Actually, that's kind of what scouts are for. Then all the money we make allows us to get one of the guys from the book. You do realise Celtic literally have a book of players, with attributes and stats listed? |
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| Bobby Peru | 13 Jul 2017, 11:59 AM Post #3340 |
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Yeah, at a stretch you could include Commons too. Even if we keep it to 1980 onwards then he outscored the likes of McLeod, Petrov, Naka, Lubo and erm McGinlay
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albeit he has always been a better player than him.
Like a dog with a bone the day bud

8:58 AM Jul 11