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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
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Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,132 Views)
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wigwam
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13 Jul 2017, 09:25 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:11 AM
Considering he's had one good season for us he's taking a risk
Agreed. Think it's a bit strange for someone who was ineffective up until about 8 months ago to take a 'big' move at this point. But then, money talks. The guy has confidence to have a go, no problem with that. He might not get another bite. If he fell out of our starting 11 (entirely possible, even though did well second half of last season), where would it leave him? Anyone expecting a player to put the club ahead of his own career is very naive. What we have to do is align our buying with the player's careers, like VVD, Moussa, Wanyama, Forster. Pick them up at right time (while price low), develop for 2 or 3 years, then sell when stock high.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:27 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:22 AM
My info from a good source was that it was more likely that he would stay, and it was down to length of contract.
The longer that goes though it seems likely that he may leave. I mean how long does it take to agree a new contract when you've been talking about it since March or April?
I doubt we'll have any issues with Linfield, but it doesn't sit right that we've not got this fixed by the time the qualifiers are here.
On balance, given our form last season I'd rather he played in the qualifiers than not, because we could do with the energy, goal threat and ability to keep the ball. He undoubtedly came on to a game by being able to do all three of those things last season.
Last year, he wasn't very good in Astana, and didn't play in Be'er Sheva, but his improvement within a much improved team is one of the reasons we were considerably better in April and May, than we were in the previous August. We need that over the next five weeks or so. Rodgers said recently that they put talks on hold in the build up to the cup final. Not sure if he said how long talks were put off for though.
Agree with what you say though...
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13 Jul 2017, 09:34 AM
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- Jinkys 7
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My info from a good source was that it was more likely that he would stay, and it was down to length of contract.
The longer that goes though it seems likely that he may leave. I mean how long does it take to agree a new contract when you've been talking about it since March or April?
I doubt we'll have any issues with Linfield, but it doesn't sit right that we've not got this fixed by the time the qualifiers are here.
On balance, given our form last season I'd rather he played in the qualifiers than not, because we could do with the energy, goal threat and ability to keep the ball. He undoubtedly came on to a game by being able to do all three of those things last season.
Last year, he wasn't very good in Astana, and didn't play in Be'er Sheva, but his improvement within a much improved team is one of the reasons we were considerably better in April and May, than we were in the previous August. We need that over the next five weeks or so.
Rodgers said recently that they put talks on hold in the build up to the cup final. Not sure if he said how long talks were put off for though. Agree with what you say though... Presumably there will be a press conference today with Rodgers ahead of tomorrow's game.
No doubt there will be questions on Armstrong. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if this dragged on until 31 August.
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Ned Rise
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13 Jul 2017, 09:35 AM
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Think he always had it in mind to use Celtic as a stepping stone.
I don't expect he thought it would be on the back of the quarters of a season of good football. Brendan Rodgers gave him his confidence back and was playing in a dominant side where it would have been difficult not to be decent on a domestic level. For me he still fell short in Europe where his decent displays contained too many unforced errors. A bit like Tim Henman in a football jersey.
I think though that he would have gone into this year with more confidence and it would have been interesting to see if he could do it in Europe. His last minute baws up against England suggested to me that it might not have been the case.
I expect he'll do well at Southampton though. There a more than a few who have played in Scotland who have done well down there and made their money. If that's what it's about for him then I'm sure he's capable of matching those players.
I expect we'll receive decent compensation and I'd hold out for 10 million and a sell on clause, just in case. I suspect we've already bought his replacement so hopefully the extra cash can be used for a decent centre half, pronto. If we get that and Roberts back while hanging on to other more important players, then we'll be fine.
Edit to add, I'd definitely prefer it if he stayed. He's been getting better so I'd like to have seen how far that could have gone.
Edited by Ned Rise, 13 Jul 2017, 09:37 AM.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:36 AM
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My info from a good source was that it was more likely that he would stay, and it was down to length of contract.
The longer that goes though it seems likely that he may leave. I mean how long does it take to agree a new contract when you've been talking about it since March or April?
I doubt we'll have any issues with Linfield, but it doesn't sit right that we've not got this fixed by the time the qualifiers are here.
On balance, given our form last season I'd rather he played in the qualifiers than not, because we could do with the energy, goal threat and ability to keep the ball. He undoubtedly came on to a game by being able to do all three of those things last season.
Last year, he wasn't very good in Astana, and didn't play in Be'er Sheva, but his improvement within a much improved team is one of the reasons we were considerably better in April and May, than we were in the previous August. We need that over the next five weeks or so.
Rodgers said recently that they put talks on hold in the build up to the cup final. Not sure if he said how long talks were put off for though. Agree with what you say though...
Presumably there will be a press conference today with Rodgers ahead of tomorrow's game. No doubt there will be questions on Armstrong. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if this dragged on until 31 August. He's no going anywhere until after the CL qualifiers if the rumours are to be believed
That worked out well with VVD
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13 Jul 2017, 09:37 AM
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Would be very disappointed to see him leave but if he isn't going to sign a new contract then shifting him now is the smart move
Do hope he does eventually sign
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13 Jul 2017, 09:37 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:18 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:13 AM
He's come on leaps and bounds. And with the modern footballer its £ rather than loyalty  we really are needing to get first team players in Central Defender, Midfield and up top...loads of time, wish everton would hurry the eff up and sign VVD.
Thank eff or we would never have got him, VVD, Wanyama etc in the first place to be able to sell them.  It's a two way street, we have to play the cards we're dealt as best we can. Totally get that Im not a misty eyed kid, more a cynical old effer these days
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13 Jul 2017, 09:42 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:35 AM
Think he always had it in mind to use Celtic as a stepping stone.
I don't expect he thought it would be on the back of the quarters of a season of good football. Brendan Rodgers gave him his confidence back and was playing in a dominant side where it would have been difficult not to be decent on a domestic level. For me he still fell short in Europe where his decent displays contained too many unforced errors. A bit like Tim Henman in a football jersey.
I think though that he would have gone into this year with more confidence and it would have been interesting to see if he could do it in Europe. His last minute baws up against England suggested to me that it might not have been the case.
I expect he'll do well at Southampton though. There a more than a few who have played in Scotland who have done well down there and made their money. If that's what it's about for him then I'm sure he's capable of matching those players.
I expect we'll receive decent compensation and I'd hold out for 10 million and a sell on clause, just in case. I suspect we've already bought his replacement so hopefully the extra cash can be used for a decent centre half, pronto. If we get that and Roberts back while hanging on to other more important players, then we'll be fine.
Edit to add, I'd definitely prefer it if he stayed. He's been getting better so I'd like to have seen how far that could have gone.
I did read £10m on here last week but I think that's maybe being optimistic. I think £5-6m would be far too tempting for a player with less than a year left on his contract.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:43 AM
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So........ everyone is just taking one posters word as gospel that he's off to Southampton ?
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13 Jul 2017, 09:45 AM
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Think he always had it in mind to use Celtic as a stepping stone.
I don't expect he thought it would be on the back of the quarters of a season of good football. Brendan Rodgers gave him his confidence back and was playing in a dominant side where it would have been difficult not to be decent on a domestic level. For me he still fell short in Europe where his decent displays contained too many unforced errors. A bit like Tim Henman in a football jersey.
I think though that he would have gone into this year with more confidence and it would have been interesting to see if he could do it in Europe. His last minute baws up against England suggested to me that it might not have been the case.
I expect he'll do well at Southampton though. There a more than a few who have played in Scotland who have done well down there and made their money. If that's what it's about for him then I'm sure he's capable of matching those players.
I expect we'll receive decent compensation and I'd hold out for 10 million and a sell on clause, just in case. I suspect we've already bought his replacement so hopefully the extra cash can be used for a decent centre half, pronto. If we get that and Roberts back while hanging on to other more important players, then we'll be fine.
Edit to add, I'd definitely prefer it if he stayed. He's been getting better so I'd like to have seen how far that could have gone.
I did read £10m on here last week but I think that's maybe being optimistic. I think £5-6m would be far too tempting for a player with less than a year left on his contract. We have put his asking price out at £10m
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13 Jul 2017, 09:46 AM
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Think he always had it in mind to use Celtic as a stepping stone.
I don't expect he thought it would be on the back of the quarters of a season of good football. Brendan Rodgers gave him his confidence back and was playing in a dominant side where it would have been difficult not to be decent on a domestic level. For me he still fell short in Europe where his decent displays contained too many unforced errors. A bit like Tim Henman in a football jersey.
I think though that he would have gone into this year with more confidence and it would have been interesting to see if he could do it in Europe. His last minute baws up against England suggested to me that it might not have been the case.
I expect he'll do well at Southampton though. There a more than a few who have played in Scotland who have done well down there and made their money. If that's what it's about for him then I'm sure he's capable of matching those players.
I expect we'll receive decent compensation and I'd hold out for 10 million and a sell on clause, just in case. I suspect we've already bought his replacement so hopefully the extra cash can be used for a decent centre half, pronto. If we get that and Roberts back while hanging on to other more important players, then we'll be fine.
Edit to add, I'd definitely prefer it if he stayed. He's been getting better so I'd like to have seen how far that could have gone.
I did read £10m on here last week but I think that's maybe being optimistic. I think £5-6m would be far too tempting for a player with less than a year left on his contract.
We have put his asking price out at £10m Sell at 6-8 with clauses I guess...
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13 Jul 2017, 09:47 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:43 AM
So........ everyone is just taking one posters word as gospel that he's off to Southampton ? was thinking that myself. Im not too worried, still see him signing a new deal.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:48 AM
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Think he always had it in mind to use Celtic as a stepping stone.
I don't expect he thought it would be on the back of the quarters of a season of good football. Brendan Rodgers gave him his confidence back and was playing in a dominant side where it would have been difficult not to be decent on a domestic level. For me he still fell short in Europe where his decent displays contained too many unforced errors. A bit like Tim Henman in a football jersey.
I think though that he would have gone into this year with more confidence and it would have been interesting to see if he could do it in Europe. His last minute baws up against England suggested to me that it might not have been the case.
I expect he'll do well at Southampton though. There a more than a few who have played in Scotland who have done well down there and made their money. If that's what it's about for him then I'm sure he's capable of matching those players.
I expect we'll receive decent compensation and I'd hold out for 10 million and a sell on clause, just in case. I suspect we've already bought his replacement so hopefully the extra cash can be used for a decent centre half, pronto. If we get that and Roberts back while hanging on to other more important players, then we'll be fine.
Edit to add, I'd definitely prefer it if he stayed. He's been getting better so I'd like to have seen how far that could have gone.
I did read £10m on here last week but I think that's maybe being optimistic. I think £5-6m would be far too tempting for a player with less than a year left on his contract. Could be. But we have the player and they have they money. They know there's the chance of making a few quid on him given the ridiculous fees down there. If an extra four or five million today guarantees them the player, I think they'll see it as a good buy.
Whatever we get though my main concern is that the money is used to strengthen positions where we are clearly lacking. If we want to be making any kind of mark in Europe, the defence needs shored up and soon.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:48 AM
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Presumably there will be a press conference today with Rodgers ahead of tomorrow's game. No doubt there will be questions on Armstrong. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if this dragged on until 31 August.
He's no going anywhere until after the CL qualifiers if the rumours are to be believed That worked out well with VVD Nothing to do with the team being a shambles under an average manager?
Keeping him until it suits us is the way to go. We need to make sure the new guys are up to speed and the early qualifiers aren't the best place to do that as we've seen before.
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Presumably there will be a press conference today with Rodgers ahead of tomorrow's game. No doubt there will be questions on Armstrong. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if this dragged on until 31 August.
He's no going anywhere until after the CL qualifiers if the rumours are to be believed That worked out well with VVD Do you think the outcome of the Malmo tie was down to Van Dijk's inclusion in the team, like? Because I don't.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:52 AM
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Still hopeful he'll sign another deal but really wouldn't be surprised if he jumps ship down south. He's 25, his stock is high and he's in the last year of his contract. He's holding all the cards.
If he does end up going to Southampton they'd better pony up a decent wedge, we've not sold them a dud yet.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:53 AM
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- 13 Jul 2017, 09:43 AM
So........ everyone is just taking one posters word as gospel that he's off to Southampton ? Some are, some will be taking it in the context of the last few months and the fact we've put an asking price out as per Mikey.
He's clearly away unless we pay him daft money or a clause that suits him etc, and he hasn't proven he's worth that yet.
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13 Jul 2017, 09:59 AM
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Just wondering why length of contract would be an issue if wanted to stay for another year or two. Someone will still have to pay money for him, unless its down to weekly wage? Something like $4m wages over the course of the contract split over 3 years instead of the 4 years that the club want?
We don't really have a clue what's happening anyway, for all we know they might not even be talking about it just now or its sorted and he just hasn't signed it yet.
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13 Jul 2017, 10:00 AM
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Still hopeful he'll sign another deal but really wouldn't be surprised if he jumps ship down south. He's 25, his stock is high and he's in the last year of his contract. He's holding all the cards.
If he does end up going to Southampton they'd better pony up a decent wedge, we've not sold them a dud yet. We even gave them Hooiveld and he wasnt great for us, and they loved him. If he goes, hopefully we get good money to reinvest in the squad completely. I'd rather he stayed but I don't think he will play for a bigger side in England than Southampton. If he does go, I hope he proves me wrong and does hit the top, always worked hard for us and made us a healthy profit.
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13 Jul 2017, 10:04 AM
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£10 million only covers his hair S'oton
I'd much rather he stayed, he was excellent last season, could be difficult to replace. But then maybe Ntcham is the man for that.
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