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Stuart Armstrong; 'Fishel: Signs for Southampton on a 4 year deal.
Topic Started: 18 Oct 2015, 09:50 PM (731,137 Views)
Jinkys Rowing Boat
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The stumbling block with the contract is the length, SA wants 2 yrs max, Celtic want 4yrs.
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Jinkys Rowing Boat
10 Jul 2017, 10:49 AM
The stumbling block with the contract is the length, SA wants 2 yrs max, Celtic want 4yrs.
I'd heard he was happy to sign a new 3 year deal, Celtic were holding out for 4.

This was a few weeks back now though, so obviously any amount of things could have changed.
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Not gonna lie, ill be pretty gutted if he goes. Even for 10 million, that doesnt mean anything for me. Not often we have a centre mid almost hit 20 goals. Dont even think Petrov achieved that at any point.
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If it was a two year extension to make take Armstrong's contract up to three years then the club might just have to bite the bullet. If it is just two tears from now then no way can the club agree to that.

Arnstrong and his representative, I've heard it is his dad, are in a very strong position and are only doing the right thing by them.
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I always wondered why Armstrong only signed for three years with no option. Would make sense if it's length of contract which is holding it up. I'd be gutted to see him leave. He has developed into a terrific all round midfielder.
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I'll be happy for the club to just offer him the 2 years that he wants. He may well be ready to leave by then anyway. Right now he's still developing under Brendan and in return offering us so much on the pitch. 2 years may be best for all parties.
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Agree with those who think Armstrong, in theory, could be replaced quite easily if Rodgers is given any transfer fee we receive for him to spend as he pleases. The bigger issue here is why we've seemingly messed up a contract extension that looked on paper like a formality.
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If he will not sign a new contract we should use him to get to the CL group stages and then sell him. If he is being offered big money then the club buying him would be prepared to pay our asking price. He really developed in the last 6 months under Brendan but remember in the CL he was out muscled by our opponents especially at home to BMG. He will be a loss but he is certainly not irreplaceable.
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He holds all the aces. Undoubtedly he'll have an idea of what he's worth down south and that could be anywhere between 50k and 70k per week on a 4 year deal.

He has won everything here with us. He has nothing else left to prove at Celtic. Maybe going further in Europe....maybe, but to want to do that we will have to make it worth his while.

He's 25, this deal and his next are the biggest of his career.....we have to make it worth his while.
I like Armstrong as much as the next guy, and I'm aware EPL wages are nuts, but I'd be astounded if anyone down there was offering him £70k p/w.
That's the sort of money you're talking about down there for an average to good midfielder.
I highly doubt that.
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Agree about the usual mess-up from Lawwell (and said so, to the chagrin of some :brickwall: ) earlier in the thread.

Can't be many worse football contract negotiators (on a million a year, no less), the player should've been on a longer contract to begin with, apart from anything else.

Still, I suppose that's what happens, when you've a jumped-up jobsworth accountant, running that particular show :nono:

Can't entirely agree that the player will mess up his career if he goes.
He's easily the best Scottish midfielder since Lambert, and may well end up at a top club, either darn sarf, or abroad, in the next coupla years.
He has that ghosting ability that can't really be taught, and seems to be rare in the game, currently.

Hope we can keep him.
He's made a few cock-ups over his time in charge, but by and large, we have been pretty good at getting players signed to new deals. Certainly no worse than any other club.

This past few years we've had; Rogic, Lustig, Izaguirre, Gordon, Forrest, Griffiths, Tierney, McGregor and a few of more promising younger players all sign improved deals or extensions.

Fair enough there will always be one or two who don't extend or renew, Ledley and Hooper are two that I would have liked to have seen stay in recentish times, but the assumption that we always arse up new deals or make a meal out of them isn't true.
I agree with you and cannot really see where anyone has messed it up. The player and the club both need to be happy and if either is not they are free to do as they please. It is a contract after all.
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See the whole 'he's nothing left to prove at Celtic' stuff, that's utter nonsense.

He had an excellent six months, off the back of a year where he was utter dogshampooe, turning in some of the worst performances in one of the worst Celtic sides I've ever seen. He has plenty still to prove, loads of players have had great spells or seasons (Bitton, Johansen to name a few recent ones) but failed to kick on.

He's also yet to turn in a really good performance in Europe and prove he can compete at that level.

I like him, really good player, but I think he'd do well remembering that if it wasn't for BR, aiding him so much in his development, he'd never have been in this position.
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10 Jul 2017, 12:05 PM
See the whole 'he's nothing left to prove at Celtic' stuff, that's utter nonsense.

He had an excellent six months, off the back of a year where he was utter dogshampooe, turning in some of the worst performances in one of the worst Celtic sides I've ever seen. He has plenty still to prove, loads of players have had great spells or seasons (Bitton, Johansen to name a few recent ones) but failed to kick on.

He's also yet to turn in a really good performance in Europe and prove he can compete at that level.

I like him, really good player, but I think he'd do well remembering that if it wasn't for BR, aiding him so much in his development, he'd never have been in this position.
Well said.

Sign the contract ya weirdo.
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20Glasgow_Bhoy06
10 Jul 2017, 12:05 PM
See the whole 'he's nothing left to prove at Celtic' stuff, that's utter nonsense.

He had an excellent six months, off the back of a year where he was utter dogshampooe, turning in some of the worst performances in one of the worst Celtic sides I've ever seen. He has plenty still to prove, loads of players have had great spells or seasons (Bitton, Johansen to name a few recent ones) but failed to kick on.

He's also yet to turn in a really good performance in Europe and prove he can compete at that level.

I like him, really good player, but I think he'd do well remembering that if it wasn't for BR, aiding him so much in his development, he'd never have been in this position.
He was being played out of position before. BR comes in, puts him into a natural role and surprise surprise he's quality.
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Deila played him in central mid a couple of times and he was utter muck there too.

It's disingenuous to suggest that Armstrong's incredible improvement was purely down to being played in the correct position. He's evidently stronger, quicker, more confident and more positionally aware under BR.
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Players leave it's no big deal.

His problem if he goes.
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McStay
10 Jul 2017, 12:19 PM
20Glasgow_Bhoy06
10 Jul 2017, 12:05 PM
See the whole 'he's nothing left to prove at Celtic' stuff, that's utter nonsense.

He had an excellent six months, off the back of a year where he was utter dogshampooe, turning in some of the worst performances in one of the worst Celtic sides I've ever seen. He has plenty still to prove, loads of players have had great spells or seasons (Bitton, Johansen to name a few recent ones) but failed to kick on.

He's also yet to turn in a really good performance in Europe and prove he can compete at that level.

I like him, really good player, but I think he'd do well remembering that if it wasn't for BR, aiding him so much in his development, he'd never have been in this position.
He was being played out of position before. BR comes in, puts him into a natural role and surprise surprise he's quality.
He played in central midfield under deila and was less than impressive. There's no doubt rodgers has transformed him to the level he's at just now.
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10 Jul 2017, 12:25 PM
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10 Jul 2017, 12:19 PM
20Glasgow_Bhoy06
10 Jul 2017, 12:05 PM
See the whole 'he's nothing left to prove at Celtic' stuff, that's utter nonsense.

He had an excellent six months, off the back of a year where he was utter dogshampooe, turning in some of the worst performances in one of the worst Celtic sides I've ever seen. He has plenty still to prove, loads of players have had great spells or seasons (Bitton, Johansen to name a few recent ones) but failed to kick on.

He's also yet to turn in a really good performance in Europe and prove he can compete at that level.

I like him, really good player, but I think he'd do well remembering that if it wasn't for BR, aiding him so much in his development, he'd never have been in this position.
He was being played out of position before. BR comes in, puts him into a natural role and surprise surprise he's quality.
He played in central midfield under deila and was less than impressive. There's no doubt rodgers has transformed him to the level he's at just now.
I'm not saying he hasn't aided his development but the extent is sometimes exaggerated because people talk like he was a total dud before. The potential was always there. An inferior manager and often being played out of position hindered his development.

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Would much rather he stayed but if he doesn't sign a new contract he has to be punted this window, whether we get anywhere near 10 mil for him is another story
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10 Jul 2017, 12:24 PM
Players leave it's no big deal.

His problem if he goes.
He will lose his hair by the time he is 30 .
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He played in central midfield under deila and was less than impressive. There's no doubt rodgers has transformed him to the level he's at just now.
I'm not saying he hasn't aided his development but the extent is sometimes exaggerated because people talk like he was a total dud before. The potential was always there. An inferior manager and often being played out of position hindered his development.

Being played out of position - even though he'd played there literally half his career - doesn't make you hide, shampooe out of tackles or pass the ball to the opposition.

The mental aspect of his game has developed massively where he's more confident and doesn't hide. We played him at right back due to injuries in one game this season and he ran riot - one of the best players on the pitch.
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