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Tom Rogic; Signs new 5 year deal. Rejoice rejoice.
Topic Started: 13 Aug 2015, 12:25 AM (526,696 Views)
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29 Sep 2016, 10:18 PM
I'm wondering if Commons actually the ideal player to come on and relieve him for the final 30-35 mins against these better opponents? Whilst he has his well documented short comings I think he's better at retaining the ball and beating men than Armstrong. He has a reputation for being lazy but he's not unable to play the pressing game and he's gotten a few assists and goals by charging down and robbing defenders. It was just striking how much influence we lost on the game once Armstrong came on. I know we need to address this in the transfer market but I think he might actually be the better short term option, Stuart has given us nothing since the Rangers game.
He has a terrible first touch and is not the guy to give the ball to when keeping hold of possession is so important. He is not better at retaining the ball whatsoever. And he is absolutely unsuitable for the pressing game, doesn't have the athleticism, the inclination or the discipline. Armstrong is nothing special but at least he offers some of these attributes.
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29 Sep 2016, 10:18 PM
I'm wondering if Commons actually the ideal player to come on and relieve him for the final 30-35 mins against these better opponents? Whilst he has his well documented short comings I think he's better at retaining the ball and beating men than Armstrong. He has a reputation for being lazy but he's not unable to play the pressing game and he's gotten a few assists and goals by charging down and robbing defenders. It was just striking how much influence we lost on the game once Armstrong came on. I know we need to address this in the transfer market but I think he might actually be the better short term option, Stuart has given us nothing since the Rangers game.
And Kris hasn't given us anything for nigh on three years.
Wtf? :lol:

3 years ago he was POTY, even though he wasn't a regular under Deila he hit 25 goals in 2 seasons.
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29 Sep 2016, 03:57 PM
Just saw him walking through the town with his girlfriend. She looked fit enough for both of them.
Was he walking or on a mobility scooter :ph43r:
He was walking fine but then he had to stop, so Stuart Armstrong appeared and walked her the rest of the way.
:lol:

Well played
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30 Sep 2016, 09:25 AM
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29 Sep 2016, 10:18 PM
I'm wondering if Commons actually the ideal player to come on and relieve him for the final 30-35 mins against these better opponents? Whilst he has his well documented short comings I think he's better at retaining the ball and beating men than Armstrong. He has a reputation for being lazy but he's not unable to play the pressing game and he's gotten a few assists and goals by charging down and robbing defenders. It was just striking how much influence we lost on the game once Armstrong came on. I know we need to address this in the transfer market but I think he might actually be the better short term option, Stuart has given us nothing since the Rangers game.
I think he has more to offer than Armstrong, was he not left out of the CL squad though?
True enough. :doh:

I wasn't offering him as a panacea, just as a marginally better relief option for Rogic until we enter the next transfer window.
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29 Sep 2016, 11:37 AM

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I think there is an excuse for him though.

He was only picked up by a professional club aged 19/20 and has been injured for most of the last two seasons.

When we first signed him, he could barely manage a half in the SPFL and was getting shrugged off the ball. His physicality and fitness has improved immeasurably since then.

Champions League is another step up in intensity. We need to build him up. He's never going to be a Broony but if we can get a good 70-odd minutes of him at this level he'll be doing just fine.
Being able to play for 70 minutes will not be doing just fine.

I appreciate the reasons why, right now, his fitness isn't where it should be, that's fair enough, but like any other player, it will be totally unacceptable if he doesn't get to a level of fitness where he can play the full game without becoming fatigued - regardless of who we are playing.
I mean in the short term. If we can get him playing the way he did in the first half against City for 70-odd minutes against that level of opposition over the next couple of seasons, he'll be doing great.

But, yes, we should be looking to make him a 90 minute player.
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30 Sep 2016, 10:08 AM
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29 Sep 2016, 10:18 PM
I'm wondering if Commons actually the ideal player to come on and relieve him for the final 30-35 mins against these better opponents? Whilst he has his well documented short comings I think he's better at retaining the ball and beating men than Armstrong. He has a reputation for being lazy but he's not unable to play the pressing game and he's gotten a few assists and goals by charging down and robbing defenders. It was just striking how much influence we lost on the game once Armstrong came on. I know we need to address this in the transfer market but I think he might actually be the better short term option, Stuart has given us nothing since the Rangers game.
He has a terrible first touch and is not the guy to give the ball to when keeping hold of possession is so important. He is not better at retaining the ball whatsoever. And he is absolutely unsuitable for the pressing game, doesn't have the athleticism, the inclination or the discipline. Armstrong is nothing special but at least he offers some of these attributes.
And you're describing the Commons of 3 years ago.
The guy who didn't make it past half time in his last two league starts wasn't even up to away days at Kilmarnock.
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Being able to play for 70 minutes will not be doing just fine.

I appreciate the reasons why, right now, his fitness isn't where it should be, that's fair enough, but like any other player, it will be totally unacceptable if he doesn't get to a level of fitness where he can play the full game without becoming fatigued - regardless of who we are playing.
I mean in the short term. If we can get him playing the way he did in the first half against City for 70-odd minutes against that level of opposition over the next couple of seasons, he'll be doing great.

But, yes, we should be looking to make him a 90 minute player.
Fair enough.
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30 Sep 2016, 12:33 PM
We have Christie as well as Armstrong for the No.10 role.

If Rogic can't last the full 90, I'd be keen to see Christie coming on and staking his claim for a place – or at least building up experience.

Armstrong also played really well in that position against Sevco.

We're not short of options for No.10, it's just that they all need development.
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We have Christie as well as Armstrong for the No.10 role.

If Rogic can't last the full 90, I'd be keen to see Christie coming on and staking his claim for a place – or at least building up experience.

Armstrong also played really well in that position against Sevco.

We're not short of options for No.10, it's just that they all need development.
Yep, that's what we'll see I'd guess, Christie is a cracking prospect. Commons doesn't have a future at Celtic, cant see Rodgers giving him any game time.
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I'd rather a wheelchair ridden Tom Rogic carting around an oxygen tank with him on the pitch than Kris Commons. Anyway, for all his lack of stamina he has been playing more and more minutes domestically. Hopefully this will improve his fitness at the higher level. Even if it doesnt improve, his performance in the first half was that good yet still could easily be improved upon, i think we need to plan around his deficiency.
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Not a great game but there were a few moments where he looked top class, the dribble in the first half was superb.
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Not a great game but there were a few moments where he looked top class, the dribble in the first half was superb.
when he gets the ball at his feet, you always feel something good will happen. I though his shot early in the second half was really clever, hit low and to the corner. Keeper did well to anticipate it.
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Is there an underlying problem with this guy, that even the summariser's are running a book on when he'll be replaced, early in the second-hauf :ponder:

Surely, if there aint no underlying medical reason for his poor levels of stamina, the sports scientists (and the rest) should be able to get him moving for the full bahuna?!?
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Not a great game but there were a few moments where he looked top class, the dribble in the first half was superb.
when he gets the ball at his feet, you always feel something good will happen. I though his shot early in the second half was really clever, hit low and to the corner. Keeper did well to anticipate it.
The ball sticks to him, his close control is brilliant.
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Is there an underlying problem with this guy, that even the summariser's are running a book on when he'll be replaced, early in the second-hauf :ponder:

Surely, if there aint no underlying medical reason for his poor levels of stamina, the sports scientists (and the rest) should be able to get him moving for the full bahuna?!?
No inside knowledge but he was picked up relatively late in his career and had a long lay off due to injury
Possibly limits his fitness or will take a while to build up
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29 Sep 2016, 10:18 PM
I'm wondering if Commons actually the ideal player to come on and relieve him for the final 30-35 mins against these better opponents? Whilst he has his well documented short comings I think he's better at retaining the ball and beating men than Armstrong. He has a reputation for being lazy but he's not unable to play the pressing game and he's gotten a few assists and goals by charging down and robbing defenders. It was just striking how much influence we lost on the game once Armstrong came on. I know we need to address this in the transfer market but I think he might actually be the better short term option, Stuart has given us nothing since the Rangers game.
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Is there an underlying problem with this guy, that even the summariser's are running a book on when he'll be replaced, early in the second-hauf :ponder:

Surely, if there aint no underlying medical reason for his poor levels of stamina, the sports scientists (and the rest) should be able to get him moving for the full bahuna?!?
No inside knowledge but he was picked up relatively late in his career and had a long lay off due to injury
Possibly limits his fitness or will take a while to build up
Being picked up "late" in his career is just an excuse I'm afraid. He wasn't picked up 6 months ago.
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Is there an underlying problem with this guy, that even the summariser's are running a book on when he'll be replaced, early in the second-hauf :ponder:

Surely, if there aint no underlying medical reason for his poor levels of stamina, the sports scientists (and the rest) should be able to get him moving for the full bahuna?!?
No inside knowledge but he was picked up relatively late in his career and had a long lay off due to injury
Possibly limits his fitness or will take a while to build up
Being picked up "late" in his career is just an excuse I'm afraid. He wasn't picked up 6 months ago.
How is it not a disadvantage when he is competing against players who have been destined to play at this level since 10/11? Its clear Rogic is developing in every aspect of the game and his fitness is slowly but surely getting there.
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he has an unusual gait in that he looks a bit "top heavy". I've no idea whether that restricts his fitness levels, or he has a touch of the Paddy McCourts about him, but he is incapable of playing a high tempo game for 90 minutes regularly, so there must be something that needs fixed.
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He's 24 years of age. Was picked up at the age of 19 if I'm led to believe correctly. Even taking into consideration injuries he has had about 18 months or so now to get himself fit. It's used as an excuse because people don't want to critise him which is fair enough.

I think it's lazy not to be able to get yourself fit.
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