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Tom Rogic; Signs new 5 year deal. Rejoice rejoice.
Topic Started: 13 Aug 2015, 12:25 AM (526,776 Views)
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I though he was waay off the pace against Aberdeen and got caught out by the pace and limited space. His control and reaction speed was so far off I'd have substituted him after 15 minutes in that game.

Yesterday was a whole other scenario and he ran the show for long periods. He's another that has a long way to go but if he can find consistency, we might have a player on our hands. I wonder how much we'll get for him?
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21 Sep 2015, 04:13 AM
Having watched him for 2 years playing for CCM in Australia it's great to see him fulfilling a little of his potential. He shone in the Aussie league but granted you are given a lot of time on the ball in comparison to the SPL. The standard of football out with Celtic and maybe Aberdeen is much higher though.

Is this true......?? The standard of football in the CCM is much higher than the SPFL :suspect:
CCM is a team. :lol:
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21 Sep 2015, 02:10 PM
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21 Sep 2015, 04:13 AM
Having watched him for 2 years playing for CCM in Australia it's great to see him fulfilling a little of his potential. He shone in the Aussie league but granted you are given a lot of time on the ball in comparison to the SPL. The standard of football out with Celtic and maybe Aberdeen is much higher though.

Is this true......?? The standard of football in the CCM is much higher than the SPFL :suspect:
CCM is Central Coast Mariners a club who play in the Aussie A League

I love the A League to bits and watch a ton of it due to it's only competition being breakfast tv. It's ridiculously entertaining but the standard is fairly rubbish, although improving season on season. Western Sydney Wanderers who are mid table standard won the Asian champions league last year, although no one is exactly sure how.

Its largely on par with the SPL but looks a lot better as it's not being played in lashing drizzle.
Edited by hazy, 21 Sep 2015, 02:21 PM.
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21 Sep 2015, 01:07 PM
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21 Sep 2015, 11:30 AM
It's a sign of a changing Glasgow, when you can get saffron on the Gallowgate and latte with your roll'n'square in the Gorbals, that this guy isn't even called Tam yet.
He is on the Huddleboard :lol:

Thought he was magnificent yesterday, and should have gotten MOTM ahead of Janko. Hopefully he'll continue to play that well, and Johansen has to work to get back in the team.
I was calling him Tam at the game yesterday. Don't know where it came from, Tom just didn't sound right. May it's because of Mr English...
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21 Sep 2015, 04:13 AM
Having watched him for 2 years playing for CCM in Australia it's great to see him fulfilling a little of his potential. He shone in the Aussie league but granted you are given a lot of time on the ball in comparison to the SPL. The standard of football out with Celtic and maybe Aberdeen is much higher though.

Is this true......?? The standard of football in the CCM is much higher than the SPFL :suspect:
CCM is Central Coast Mariners a club who play in the Aussie A League

I love the A League to bits and watch a ton of it due to it's only competition being breakfast tv. It's ridiculously entertaining but the standard is fairly rubbish, although improving season on season. Western Sydney Wanderers who are mid table standard won the Asian champions league last year, although no one is exactly sure how.

Its largely on par with the SPL but looks a lot better as it's not being played in lashing drizzle.
Oops....thought CCM referred to the Australian league :lol: Still, thanks for clarifying. It's probably on a par with the MLS in North America. Fairly rubbish standard, but good competition, played in mostly nice weather, making it sometimes look better than it is.
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21 Sep 2015, 09:20 AM
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21 Sep 2015, 08:50 AM
I can't believe it's the same player. Inbelievable turnaround. Credit to the lad.
Yup, I agree.

Thought he was ponderous at first when he first arrived and there is still aspects of his play that reflects that.

He has improved significantly.

Great technique, especially for a tall guy.

I think maybe I confuse his languid running style for laziness :ponder:

Think I recall at one point in the game he was chasing down a Dundee player and moved pretty fast, so maybe he has a 'fifth gear' and we don't see it all that much.

I'd like to see him be a bit more imposing, but it's early yet.

I don't know why it's surprising a tall person having good technique :lol:
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21 Sep 2015, 10:24 PM
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21 Sep 2015, 08:50 AM
I can't believe it's the same player. Inbelievable turnaround. Credit to the lad.
Yup, I agree.

Thought he was ponderous at first when he first arrived and there is still aspects of his play that reflects that.

He has improved significantly.

Great technique, especially for a tall guy.

I think maybe I confuse his languid running style for laziness :ponder:

Think I recall at one point in the game he was chasing down a Dundee player and moved pretty fast, so maybe he has a 'fifth gear' and we don't see it all that much.

I'd like to see him be a bit more imposing, but it's early yet.

I don't know why it's surprising a tall person having good technique :lol:
Most of the technically gifted players in the world are on the shorter side. Of course you get the exceptions like MvB and Zidane but generally the technicians are the little guys.
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I don't know why it's surprising a tall person having good technique :lol:
Most of the technically gifted players in the world are on the shorter side. Of course you get the exceptions like MvB and Zidane but generally the technicians are the little guys.
And Ronaldo, both of them. Luis Figo.
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Bawman
21 Sep 2015, 02:14 PM
I though he was waay off the pace against Aberdeen and got caught out by the pace and limited space. His control and reaction speed was so far off I'd have substituted him after 15 minutes in that game.

Yesterday was a whole other scenario and he ran the show for long periods. He's another that has a long way to go but if he can find consistency, we might have a player on our hands. I wonder how much we'll get for him?
Pretty much agree with this. Got caught out s lot v the sheep & held on to the ball too long. Was a different player at home and had a lot more time on the ball due to the opposition and with the way we played. In saying that I thought he had a very good game v Dundee & just needs to keep improving. Nice first touch with both feet and a great eye for a pass.
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21 Sep 2015, 02:20 PM
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21 Sep 2015, 02:10 PM
ssmith81
21 Sep 2015, 04:13 AM
Having watched him for 2 years playing for CCM in Australia it's great to see him fulfilling a little of his potential. He shone in the Aussie league but granted you are given a lot of time on the ball in comparison to the SPL. The standard of football out with Celtic and maybe Aberdeen is much higher though.

Is this true......?? The standard of football in the CCM is much higher than the SPFL :suspect:
CCM is Central Coast Mariners a club who play in the Aussie A League

I love the A League to bits and watch a ton of it due to it's only competition being breakfast tv. It's ridiculously entertaining but the standard is fairly rubbish, although improving season on season. Western Sydney Wanderers who are mid table standard won the Asian champions league last year, although no one is exactly sure how.

Its largely on par with the SPL but looks a lot better as it's not being played in lashing drizzle.
That's about right - the standard is similar. If you were to combine the leagues, the SPL teams would have the better of it over the course of a season, as they'd be fitter and more able to play two matches a week, but the A-League players would catch up fairly quickly.
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I wouldn't judge him too harshly on the Aberdeen game, granted he wasn't great but travelling to and from Perth Australia on its own, never mind via Tajikistan, within a week would hamper anyone's game.
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I don't agree regarding the A-League. Think SPL teams would struggle against them on a consistent basis. The Aussie sides have had some good results in the AFC against Japanese and Chinese sides that would wipe the floor with dross like Motherwell and Dundee.

Maybe saying the standard is 'much higher' is an exaggeration. The style of football played is much, much better.
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22 Sep 2015, 04:25 AM
I don't agree regarding the A-League. Think SPL teams would struggle against them on a consistent basis. The Aussie sides have had some good results in the AFC against Japanese and Chinese sides that would wipe the floor with dross like Motherwell and Dundee.

Maybe saying the standard is 'much higher' is an exaggeration. The style of football played is much, much better.
Yeah, I think the style is more entertaining. For example, I'd watch Wellington V Perth ahead of Killie V St Johnstone.

As for ACL results, Australian teams are still a fair way behind the Japanese and even South Korean teams in the ACL, IMO. There have been some decent results, but I still expect to see Australian teams struggle against good J-League outfits.

Visa restrictions mean that there's less of an emphasis on foreign players in Australia, and solid domestic players get games and can develop into fringe internationals over time (Tarek Elrich, for one).

This is probably a discussion for the A-League thread, though. Season starts in a few weeks!
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Tom's been named in the Australia squad to play Jordan in Amman next month. A far shorter trip than the last one, I suppose!
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22 Sep 2015, 04:25 AM
I don't agree regarding the A-League. Think SPL teams would struggle against them on a consistent basis. The Aussie sides have had some good results in the AFC against Japanese and Chinese sides that would wipe the floor with dross like Motherwell and Dundee.

Maybe saying the standard is 'much higher' is an exaggeration. The style of football played is much, much better.
The top Asian sides from Korea, Japan and China don't take the ACL seriously and regularly field weakened sides in front of empty stadiums. Even given all that how the Wanderers, and I love the Wanderers, managed to beat Al-Hilal in the final was nothing short of a miracle. Al-Hilal were denied the most blatant penalty I've ever seen not given, they hit the post and missed numerous sitters and Covic in the Wanderers goal made an out-of-this-world save.

A-league sides are still miles behind the top Asian sides and having watched both the SPL and the A-league regularly the SPL is far superior despite it's limitations. To put this into context Charlie "rotund" Miller was the best player in the A-league a few years back.Most if not all the SPL teams would win the A-league.

As far as Rogic goes I agree with a previous poster who said his disappearance in the Aberdeen game shows he still has a way to go before being a success at Celtic.
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22 Sep 2015, 04:25 AM
I don't agree regarding the A-League. Think SPL teams would struggle against them on a consistent basis. The Aussie sides have had some good results in the AFC against Japanese and Chinese sides that would wipe the floor with dross like Motherwell and Dundee.

Maybe saying the standard is 'much higher' is an exaggeration. The style of football played is much, much better.
The top Asian sides from Korea, Japan and China don't take the ACL seriously and regularly field weakened sides in front of empty stadiums. Even given all that how the Wanderers, and I love the Wanderers, managed to beat Al-Hilal in the final was nothing short of a miracle. Al-Hilal were denied the most blatant penalty I've ever seen not given, they hit the post and missed numerous sitters and Covic in the Wanderers goal made an out-of-this-world save.

A-league sides are still miles behind the top Asian sides and having watched both the SPL and the A-league regularly the SPL is far superior despite it's limitations. To put this into context Charlie "rotund" Miller was the best player in the A-league a few years back.Most if not all the SPL teams would win the A-league.

As far as Rogic goes I agree with a previous poster who said his disappearance in the Aberdeen game shows he still has a way to go before being a success at Celtic.
Don't let Mark Bosnich hear you say that ;)

How much of the SPL do you watch outwith Celtic?

Are you an avid and consistent viewer of Kilmarnock, Dundee, Partick Thistle and Motherwell games? They are utter dross.

I'd say the top teams in the A-League are better. The leagues also improved a lot since Charlie Millers time.

I've not watched the league in a year and a half so maybe the standard has got so bad Partick Thistle could win it :lol:
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23 Sep 2015, 05:32 AM
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22 Sep 2015, 04:25 AM
I don't agree regarding the A-League. Think SPL teams would struggle against them on a consistent basis. The Aussie sides have had some good results in the AFC against Japanese and Chinese sides that would wipe the floor with dross like Motherwell and Dundee.

Maybe saying the standard is 'much higher' is an exaggeration. The style of football played is much, much better.
The top Asian sides from Korea, Japan and China don't take the ACL seriously and regularly field weakened sides in front of empty stadiums. Even given all that how the Wanderers, and I love the Wanderers, managed to beat Al-Hilal in the final was nothing short of a miracle. Al-Hilal were denied the most blatant penalty I've ever seen not given, they hit the post and missed numerous sitters and Covic in the Wanderers goal made an out-of-this-world save.

A-league sides are still miles behind the top Asian sides and having watched both the SPL and the A-league regularly the SPL is far superior despite it's limitations. To put this into context Charlie "rotund" Miller was the best player in the A-league a few years back.Most if not all the SPL teams would win the A-league.

As far as Rogic goes I agree with a previous poster who said his disappearance in the Aberdeen game shows he still has a way to go before being a success at Celtic.
Don't let Mark Bosnich hear you say that ;)

How much of the SPL do you watch outwith Celtic?

Are you an avid and consistent viewer of Kilmarnock, Dundee, Partick Thistle and Motherwell games? They are utter dross.

I'd say the top teams in the A-League are better. The leagues also improved a lot since Charlie Millers time.

I've not watched the league in a year and a half so maybe the standard has got so bad Partick Thistle could win it :lol:
I won't pretend I watch SPL games every week out with Celtic games but I do occasionally. I do watch a lot of A-league games however particularly the WSW and although it's good fun with decent crowd atmosphere etc the standard of football is appalling.

The Wanderers signed a player last year Nikita Rukavytsya and he was quite genuinely the worst player I have ever seen being paid to play football. He could run really fast and then....well that's it really.

The league is and was riddled with diddies who were average journeymen in the SPL but look like stars in the A-league like Michael McGlinchey, Stephen McGarry and utter knobs like Billy Mehmet. Guys like Aaron Mooy couldn't hack it at St Mirren, although he did score his one and only SPL goal against the dearly departed huns :clap: . Partick players would be a similar standard to most of these guys so I reckon they'd have a fair crack at the A -league.

All the decent Aussie players get the hell out of dodge at the first decent offer. There's a good reason for that.

Edit to say that Mark Bosnich talks utter pish about everything.
Edited by Michael Collins, 23 Sep 2015, 06:04 AM.
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This man doesn't seem too lose the ball, he uses his body extremely well too shield the ball while running with the ball stuck to his foot . his dribbling with both feet is impeccable , what a player .

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This man doesn't seem too lose the ball, he uses his body extremely well too shield the ball while running with the ball stuck to his foot . his dribbling with both feet is impeccable , what a player .

Released us last night with his dribbling when we really needed it and drew the fouls in. Something we've missed in these games since Samaras left.
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The Wanderers signed a player last year Nikita Rukavytsya and he was quite genuinely the worst player I have ever seen being paid to play football. He could run really fast and then....well that's it really.
He's got 13 caps. :lol:
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