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The Phone In Thread; Season 2017-18
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I don't think Rodgers had as much say in player acquisition at Liverpool than he would have liked. He lost Suarez and then Sturridge was injured. Liverpool were short of a striker and rushed to sign a Balotelli. Had it solely been down to Rodgers I don't think Balotelli would have been signed although I do think Rodgers thought he could get more out of him than he did. Stephen Gerrard's career was also coming to an end and Rodgers had to manage that and appease a support that we're expecting the club to push on from the the success of the previous season. The Liverpool fans blamed Rodgers for a lot of their problems but a lot of it was outside of his control, he was a better manager than they gave him credit for.
Balotelli is constantly used as a stick to beat Rodgers, and I have no idea why. It was extremely late in the transfer window, there were no other decent options on the market, and everyone knew Liverpool had a ton of money to spend and would demand overs as a result.

Balotelli was 16m, which is nearly chump change for an international striker these days. I reckon the transfer committee saw the short timeframe, comparatively cheap price, and Rodgers's ability to rehabilitate problem children and thought it was worth a punt. Rodgers probably accepted it because he needed a body and that was all the club could come up with. The blame for Balotelli shouldn't be laid at his door.

Having said that, a lot of great motivators have one that gets away (MON and Collymore for one, Ferguson not being able to persuade Gascoigne for another), and I think for Rodgers it was Balotelli.
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Heard a really hurting hun on SSB last night - I think he's tried it before - basically saying Brendan is a duff manager and how we'll all be dancing to another tune when he nose dives, just like the fat dutchman did back in the day at the other place.

Keevins nicely summed it up in two words "sour grapes"!
I have a big Liverpool supporting mate who seems to have the same impression of Brendan or Brodge as he calls him :suspect:

He keeps saying he was found out at Liverpool and that once the chips were down he couldn't find away out.

Not that I really care what he says.
He'd been a Manager for just four years when he took the Liverpool job, Brendan done a fantastic job there and if he'd won the League he wouldn't be here now. Will they ever come so close again in our lifetime, who knows? If not they'll do poems and banners and the usual Scouse stuff for him, we'll have much more to remember.

The experience can't hurt him now, he's a switched on guy and will have learned from it.
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The thing with BR and Liverpool as that under his tenure they finally became a consistent top team that could compete with Man U, Arsenal and the money-rich clubs.

Up until then Liverpool had been finishing at best in 6th place and more often lower than that.

It's very easy for their fans to forget the impact he had on changing that club, as well as how the fans viewed their own club and how the wider world viewed Liverpool. He returned them to a position where they hadn't been for the best part of a decade and gave them a platform to build upon.

It's also very easy to heap praise upon Suarez, but their are 10 other players on the pitch who need managed as well as a squad of 20+ to keep happy. Sure, Suarez won a lot of points, but Rodgers had as big an impact if not bigger on all other matters that season.
I don't think Rodgers had as much say in player acquisition at Liverpool than he would have liked. He lost Suarez and then Sturridge was injured. Liverpool were short of a striker and rushed to sign a Balotelli. Had it solely been down to Rodgers I don't think Balotelli would have been signed although I do think Rodgers thought he could get more out of him than he did. Stephen Gerrard's career was also coming to an end and Rodgers had to manage that and appease a support that we're expecting the club to push on from the the success of the previous season. The Liverpool fans blamed Rodgers for a lot of their problems but a lot of it was outside of his control, he was a better manager than they gave him credit for.
The problem, as I see it, with the issues a lot of Liverpool fans have with BR is that they now exist in the league where if somebody isn't good enough you buy somebody better. Rodgers's recruitment at Celtic has been (in the main) very very good and a huge step up from the last 5/6 years or so but the biggest change has been in the players who were here already and floundering. Rodgers has taken guys like Armstrong, Forrest and Brown and turned them into much more accomplished players which has given the feel of new signings without spending a penny. This wouldn't have happened in the EPL because they'd have been sold and replaced before BR could've had time to improve them.

I'm not saying that BR was unjustly given the sack or that he did well spending the Suarez money i'm more making the point that because that whole league system now revolves around money the coaching aspect will fall on blind eyes and they'll only remember the wasted £70m or whatever it was they got rather than the improvement in Sterling, Henderson, Suarez etc and the quality of football the team played. The £PL is too fickle now for clubs with the most money in it and I suspect that when the bubble bursts Liverpool fans will look back on the BR years with a lot more fondness than they do now.
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Heard a really hurting hun on SSB last night - I think he's tried it before - basically saying Brendan is a duff manager and how we'll all be dancing to another tune when he nose dives, just like the fat dutchman did back in the day at the other place.

Keevins nicely summed it up in two words "sour grapes"!
The zombie was correct in his initial assertion but Flanders was able to deflect him by answering a different question.....

He was going on about how Advocaat was the best thing since sliced bread and then along came O'Neill and he was done in 18 months. Flanders then turned it into 'You're just hoping Rodgers will leave....sour grapes' but should have taken the parallel provided and run it to it's logical conclusion which is that Sevco can get their own O'Neill and make Brendan look like a patsy.

No matter how good O'Neill was as a man manager, the backing he got from the board was immense.... The Evil Genius, Joos, Thommo and Didier signed by September, Douglas in October and Lenny in December...total cost £14 million. This was on a turnover of under £40 million. Our net spend that year was over £8 million which has never really been beaten and our debt was £30 million......The players we signed were, to a man, EPL quality. They're bringing in has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes in a fervent hope that lightning will strike. The problem is that as soon as someone plays one good game for them, the SMSM hail them as the new Messi.....they demand a new contract (Waggsy, Tavvsy etc.).....threaten to leave if they don't get it. Then when Sevco give them the new contract, they relax and think they've made it. The problem is selling them then becomes a problem as they're a £10 million superstar who expects £60k a week. If a player is on less than £1k a week and starts playing well in the SPL, a Championship club can take a punt on him for a million and offer him £4k a week over 4 years.....if he's a dud, they've lost less than 2 mil, if he's a winner, they're quids in.

If a player is on £10k plus a week, the only way for them to go is EPL so the EPL expect a certain standard, European experience, international caps......how can Sevco's current crop meet those standards? If Wanyama hadn't bossed Barca, would we have got £10 million.....Van Dijk? Would Moussa be getting the attention he is if he'd banged in 20 goals against SPL fodder and drawn a blank in the CL? Did Leigh get linked with moves to the EPL based on SPL exploits last season?
Not to mention O'Neill inherited Larsson, Lubo, Mjallby, Lambert, McNamara, Boyd and Petrov. Stupid hun.
Jock Stein also inherited all the Lions, except one as well
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Heard a really hurting hun on SSB last night - I think he's tried it before - basically saying Brendan is a duff manager and how we'll all be dancing to another tune when he nose dives, just like the fat dutchman did back in the day at the other place.

Keevins nicely summed it up in two words "sour grapes"!
I have a big Liverpool supporting mate who seems to have the same impression of Brendan or Brodge as he calls him :suspect:

He keeps saying he was found out at Liverpool and that once the chips were down he couldn't find away out.

Not that I really care what he says.
He'd been a Manager for just four years when he took the Liverpool job, Brendan done a fantastic job there and if he'd won the League he wouldn't be here now. Will they ever come so close again in our lifetime, who knows? If not they'll do poems and banners and the usual Scouse stuff for him, we'll have much more to remember.

The experience can't hurt him now, he's a switched on guy and will have learned from it.
He came as close as Rafa did, and Evans, and Houllier. Took it to the end of the season with a squad that shouldn't have been able to do so. He needs to be commended for that. But let's not forget that the next season he spent what Benitez did in his first five seasons and it went all pear shaped very quickly. I'm delighted that Rodgers is doing the business at Celtic, and pleased the things I was worried about have never come to pass, but he got a more favorable run at Liverpool than any manager since Kenny the first time around. The spending potential he had dwarfed what Evans, Houllier and Rafa all had to play with. Benitez won a CL and an FA Cup, got to another European final, several semi-finals and also put in the most consistent league seasons since Kenny again.

Much like up here, a lot of the 'transfer committee' signings are now the best players at the club. He's done the same with a lot of the guys we presumed were never wanted by previous management, so it works both ways. In the end, he got 3.5 years at LFC and only one of them was a good season. His first was transitional with some good results, the second nearly legendary, and the third a effing shambles. His final half-season was an expensive continuation of that. He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.

It's worked out for all parties anyway. Never worked well with Fenway (the owners) and couldn't handle the squad that was assembled for him. In many ways it's like RD to Celtic, and now he's like for us what Klopp is to Liverpool. Rodgers is happy, Celtic are happy and Liverpool are happy - wins all round! Celtic suits him more; all his wee soundbites and phrases aren't part of 'Brand Brendan' but they are truly genuine.
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He'd been a Manager for just four years when he took the Liverpool job, Brendan done a fantastic job there and if he'd won the League he wouldn't be here now. Will they ever come so close again in our lifetime, who knows? If not they'll do poems and banners and the usual Scouse stuff for him, we'll have much more to remember.

The experience can't hurt him now, he's a switched on guy and will have learned from it.
He came as close as Rafa did, and Evans, and Houllier. Took it to the end of the season with a squad that shouldn't have been able to do so. He needs to be commended for that. But let's not forget that the next season he spent what Benitez did in his first five seasons and it went all pear shaped very quickly. I'm delighted that Rodgers is doing the business at Celtic, and pleased the things I was worried about have never come to pass, but he got a more favorable run at Liverpool than any manager since Kenny the first time around. The spending potential he had dwarfed what Evans, Houllier and Rafa all had to play with. Benitez won a CL and an FA Cup, got to another European final, several semi-finals and also put in the most consistent league seasons since Kenny again.

Much like up here, a lot of the 'transfer committee' signings are now the best players at the club. He's done the same with a lot of the guys we presumed were never wanted by previous management, so it works both ways. In the end, he got 3.5 years at LFC and only one of them was a good season. His first was transitional with some good results, the second nearly legendary, and the third a effing shambles. His final half-season was an expensive continuation of that. He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.

It's worked out for all parties anyway. Never worked well with Fenway (the owners) and couldn't handle the squad that was assembled for him. In many ways it's like RD to Celtic, and now he's like for us what Klopp is to Liverpool. Rodgers is happy, Celtic are happy and Liverpool are happy - wins all round! Celtic suits him more; all his wee soundbites and phrases aren't part of 'Brand Brendan' but they are truly genuine.
I cgaf if he had had Liverpool relegated. Hes doing a fantastic job with us and i am enjoying it. Some folks like to analyse the enjoyment out of everything.
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He came as close as Rafa did, and Evans, and Houllier. Took it to the end of the season with a squad that shouldn't have been able to do so. He needs to be commended for that. But let's not forget that the next season he spent what Benitez did in his first five seasons and it went all pear shaped very quickly. I'm delighted that Rodgers is doing the business at Celtic, and pleased the things I was worried about have never come to pass, but he got a more favorable run at Liverpool than any manager since Kenny the first time around. The spending potential he had dwarfed what Evans, Houllier and Rafa all had to play with. Benitez won a CL and an FA Cup, got to another European final, several semi-finals and also put in the most consistent league seasons since Kenny again.

Much like up here, a lot of the 'transfer committee' signings are now the best players at the club. He's done the same with a lot of the guys we presumed were never wanted by previous management, so it works both ways. In the end, he got 3.5 years at LFC and only one of them was a good season. His first was transitional with some good results, the second nearly legendary, and the third a effing shambles. His final half-season was an expensive continuation of that. He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.

It's worked out for all parties anyway. Never worked well with Fenway (the owners) and couldn't handle the squad that was assembled for him. In many ways it's like RD to Celtic, and now he's like for us what Klopp is to Liverpool. Rodgers is happy, Celtic are happy and Liverpool are happy - wins all round! Celtic suits him more; all his wee soundbites and phrases aren't part of 'Brand Brendan' but they are truly genuine.
I cgaf if he had had Liverpool relegated. Hes doing a fantastic job with us and i am enjoying it. Some folks like to analyse the enjoyment out of everything.
exactly.

like a player fits into certain systems and plays better with certain other players a manager is no different with a club, its culture and those at the top table.

Brendan seems to fit perfectly with how things are done here at celtic and we are reaping the rewards so far. As a starting point for his Reign - we couldn't ask for much more.

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I cgaf if he had had Liverpool relegated. Hes doing a fantastic job with us and i am enjoying it. Some folks like to analyse the enjoyment out of everything.
exactly.

like a player fits into certain systems and plays better with certain other players a manager is no different with a club, its culture and those at the top table.

Brendan seems to fit perfectly with how things are done here at celtic and we are reaping the rewards so far. As a starting point for his Reign - we couldn't ask for much more.

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The key seems to be the relationship that he has with Dermot Desmond.
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BR is the best thing to happen to Celtic in along time, and as previously stated who cares what happened at Liverpool or anywhere else, he should be judged solely as the Celtic manager.

Let the other mob come up with their theories and wishful thinking, we are lucky to have him and long may it continue.
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BR is the best thing to happen to Celtic in along time, and as previously stated who cares what happened at Liverpool or anywhere else, he should be judged solely as the Celtic manager.

Let the other mob come up with their theories and wishful thinking, we are lucky to have him and long may it continue.
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He came as close as Rafa did, and Evans, and Houllier. Took it to the end of the season with a squad that shouldn't have been able to do so. He needs to be commended for that. But let's not forget that the next season he spent what Benitez did in his first five seasons and it went all pear shaped very quickly. I'm delighted that Rodgers is doing the business at Celtic, and pleased the things I was worried about have never come to pass, but he got a more favorable run at Liverpool than any manager since Kenny the first time around. The spending potential he had dwarfed what Evans, Houllier and Rafa all had to play with. Benitez won a CL and an FA Cup, got to another European final, several semi-finals and also put in the most consistent league seasons since Kenny again.

Much like up here, a lot of the 'transfer committee' signings are now the best players at the club. He's done the same with a lot of the guys we presumed were never wanted by previous management, so it works both ways. In the end, he got 3.5 years at LFC and only one of them was a good season. His first was transitional with some good results, the second nearly legendary, and the third a effing shambles. His final half-season was an expensive continuation of that. He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.

It's worked out for all parties anyway. Never worked well with Fenway (the owners) and couldn't handle the squad that was assembled for him. In many ways it's like RD to Celtic, and now he's like for us what Klopp is to Liverpool. Rodgers is happy, Celtic are happy and Liverpool are happy - wins all round! Celtic suits him more; all his wee soundbites and phrases aren't part of 'Brand Brendan' but they are truly genuine.
I cgaf if he had had Liverpool relegated. Hes doing a fantastic job with us and i am enjoying it. Some folks like to analyse the enjoyment out of everything.
Bang on 👍👍 I thought for years that people over analyse football in general. Every wee decision , movement , pass , shot etc . Football is the most fluid fluent ball game in the world and that makes it unpredictable . That's why we love it .
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I'll listen to the views of feckin scousers about Brendan when I see where Klopp (whom I happen to like) leaves them over the next few years. Second place under Brendan might be as good as it gets for a mob whose sense of entitlement is second in England only to the insufferable mancs. I hope the lesson starts tonight against Southampton. :) Don't really expect it, though. :lol:
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Heard a really hurting hun on SSB last night - I think he's tried it before - basically saying Brendan is a duff manager and how we'll all be dancing to another tune when he nose dives, just like the fat dutchman did back in the day at the other place.

Keevins nicely summed it up in two words "sour grapes"!
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He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.
OR he goes down as only one of three managers who have managed to get Liverpool to their highest league position (2nd)
in the last 25 years. That's the thing with statistics, it's they way you look at them...
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I'll listen to the views of feckin scousers about Brendan when I see where Klopp (whom I happen to like) leaves them over the next few years. Second place under Brendan might be as good as it gets for a mob whose sense of entitlement is second in England only to the insufferable mancs. I hope the lesson starts tonight against Southampton. :) Don't really expect it, though. :lol:
I said at the beginning of the season when some twonk on here was doing his dinger after the red imps game about Rodgers record at Liverpool etc that managing celtic is a much tougher job than Liverpool where the expectation for the past 3 decades has to be to finish 7 above Everton.

I still maintain that.
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Heard a really hurting hun on SSB last night - I think he's tried it before - basically saying Brendan is a duff manager and how we'll all be dancing to another tune when he nose dives, just like the fat dutchman did back in the day at the other place.

Keevins nicely summed it up in two words "sour grapes"!
I have a big Liverpool supporting mate who seems to have the same impression of Brendan or Brodge as he calls him :suspect:

He keeps saying he was found out at Liverpool and that once the chips were down he couldn't find away out.

Not that I really care what he says.
I effing hate Liverpool and their fans so here goes.

They're now nothing more than a provincial club in English football yet their shampoo fans still think they have a divine right to win trophies.

Instead of blaming here Stevie G for a slip they find it easier to blame BR when in fact any manager will struggle with them to finish higher than he did.
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I effing hate Liverpool and their fans so here goes.

They're now nothing more than a provincial club in English football yet their shampoo fans still think they have a divine right to win trophies.

Instead of blaming here Stevie G for a slip they find it easier to blame BR when in fact any manager will struggle with them to finish higher than he did.
I hope they go bust.

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I effing hate Liverpool and their fans so here goes.

They're now nothing more than a provincial club in English football yet their shampoo fans still think they have a divine right to win trophies.

Instead of blaming here Stevie G for a slip they find it easier to blame BR when in fact any manager will struggle with them to finish higher than he did.
yep pretty much sums it up for me :clap: oh and Guidis mutterings last night were pure comedy.
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I effing hate Liverpool and their fans so here goes.

They're now nothing more than a provincial club in English football yet their shampoo fans still think they have a divine right to win trophies.

Instead of blaming here Stevie G for a slip they find it easier to blame BR when in fact any manager will struggle with them to finish higher than he did.
yep pretty much sums it up for me :clap: oh and Guidis mutterings last night were pure comedy.
What was he saying?
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He goes down as the only manager to do three seasons and not win a trophy despite having the biggest spending power of any manager in the history of the club.
OR he goes down as only one of three managers who have managed to get Liverpool to their highest league position (2nd)
in the last 25 years. That's the thing with statistics, it's they way you look at them...
His spend is more than likely bigger due to the increase in TV money available to clubs over the last few seasons in the EPL. Look at what Van Gaal spent at Utd as a comparison rather than Benetiz or Evans.
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