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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,656 Views)
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I have yet to watch the game back but i really don't get the love in for the big man today. he was OK last night, superb tackle and obviously the winning goal, but he has always had that threat. I saw nothing different from him than previously yesterday.
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He was never as bad last season as people made out. He had poor games but he wasn't given the credit when he played well.

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Looks like the sort of guy who needs an arm round the shoulder and Rodgers is the sort of guy who'll build players up, make them feel like top class players. I'd guess he's been doing that with Boyata, letting him mark Ciftci in training etc, I think he sees a player in him and I don't think he's just putting him in the shop window.
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26 Jan 2017, 11:03 AM
I have yet to watch the game back but i really don't get the love in for the big man today. he was OK last night, superb tackle and obviously the winning goal, but he has always had that threat. I saw nothing different from him than previously yesterday.
If you're watching the game back I'm assuming you were actually there. If so, you can't have watched much. Aside from his goal, and the other one which was blocked on the line and his taking command at the back against a team which, in the first half at least seemed to be under orders to play on top of him - yes he was ok.

Progress can only be measured from a starting point and his, based on comments on here, was a low one. It's no surprise that his name is appearing in the vast majority of posts on the MOTM thread.
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Looks like the sort of guy who needs an arm round the shoulder and Rodgers is the sort of guy who'll build players up, make them feel like top class players. I'd guess he's been doing that with Boyata, letting him mark Ciftci in training etc, I think he sees a player in him and I don't think he's just putting him in the shop window.
He was pretty highly rated at one point, so there must be something there that can be developed.

I think he's probably stagnated for a long time at Man City, then allied with the fact he was thrown into the worst Celtic team in over 20 years, with little to no proper coaching, meant he was probably fried mentally and seriously doubting his ability and understanding of the game.

Hopefully BR used the last 6 months to shield him from the spotlight and build up his confidence and rediscover that form of his younger days.

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26 Jan 2017, 11:05 AM
He was never as bad last season as people made out. He had poor games but he wasn't given the credit when he played well.

I think me and you are the only ones who were ever convinced there was a player there somewhere. :ph43r:

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26 Jan 2017, 11:05 AM
He was never as bad last season as people made out. He had poor games but he wasn't given the credit when he played well.

He was pretty bad, as I remember. Gave the ball away a lot and looked very unreliable.
He played well last night. I'll be impressed if Brendan can build up his confidence and unearth a player.
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26 Jan 2017, 11:44 AM
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26 Jan 2017, 11:05 AM
He was never as bad last season as people made out. He had poor games but he wasn't given the credit when he played well.

He was pretty bad, as I remember. Gave the ball away a lot and looked very unreliable.
He played well last night. I'll be impressed if Brendan can build up his confidence and unearth a player.
His confidence was probably in tatters after being thrown under the bus by the last manager to be fair.
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26 Jan 2017, 11:44 AM
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26 Jan 2017, 11:05 AM
He was never as bad last season as people made out. He had poor games but he wasn't given the credit when he played well.

He was pretty bad, as I remember. Gave the ball away a lot and looked very unreliable.
He played well last night. I'll be impressed if Brendan can build up his confidence and unearth a player.
His confidence was probably in tatters after being thrown under the bus by the last manager to be fair.
Maybe so, but not many on here would have complained if he'd been shipped out the door when Brendan arrived.
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His confidence was probably in tatters after being thrown under the bus by the last manager to be fair.
Maybe so, but not many on here would have complained if he'd been shipped out the door when Brendan arrived.
Aye. I still think he will be off in the medium term. But IF he is a confidence player, Ronny Deila chucking him under the bus wouldn't have helped.
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Maybe so, but not many on here would have complained if he'd been shipped out the door when Brendan arrived.
Aye. I still think he will be off in the medium term. But IF he is a confidence player, Ronny Deila chucking him under the bus wouldn't have helped.
I think confidence clearly is the key with Boyata and has been since he arrived.
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Played well the last few games, and it's to his, and the defence's credit, that we've kept three clean sheets in the games he has played in.

Would still look to offload if we can. Last season he played well in three or four game spurts but always had a calamitous error in him. Malmö away he was ragdolled about and had the OG, the Hamilton away game where he got sent off, the first Hamilton away game where he cost the first goal, the EL games against Molde where he cost us the first goal over there by giving the ball away far too cheaply and then looked wholly incompetent along with the rest of the team in the home game. The semi-final against the Huns had been well documented on here, but it truly was an abysmal half hour cameo. I could go on. Maybe it was a confidence thing, playing under Deila and with Ambrose in the early part of the season, but he certainly didn't look like a long term solution at centre back

He has popped up with some crucial goals (won us the tie against Qarabag, and last night too) so he hasn't been all bad. Think we need better if we want to keep progressing though.
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Christ, there's a few going overboard here. He had a good game, that was all. Efe does that all the time.

Boyata has a lot to prove to convince anyone he's anywhere near what we need at Centre half. You only need to cast your mind back to Killie or his absolutely arse collapse against the huns not so long ago.
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Shades of Van Dijk last night. Maybe even better than that. At times it was like watching a Belgian Cannavaro. Or at least a Belgian Gary Caldwell.
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26 Jan 2017, 09:55 AM
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As much as I love oor Erik, Boyata is potentially a class above him if he keeps improving.
I think your Erik is a wee bit younger than Dedryck so it'd need to be exponential improvement.
The fact that Boyata has had little or game time is the improvement point I'm making. Just think he has more scope than Erik. That help you any 😄
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Christ, there's a few going overboard here. He had a good game, that was all. Efe does that all the time.

Boyata has a lot to prove to convince anyone he's anywhere near what we need at Centre half. You only need to cast your mind back to Killie or his absolutely arse collapse against the huns not so long ago.
Killie was a tough, freezing night on a shampooty surface and his first game in a long time.

The arse collapse against the Huns was also harsh considering he was out with a hamstring and missed the Euros - so was hardly doing a Bitton.

Would still have Erik and Jozo as first choice but Boyata could be decent cover.

He deserves a run like anyone else.

BR rates him and you only need to look at the difference in Armstrong now compared to last year to see what difference a good manager makes. He's done the right thing stating "it's Boyata's shirt now to lose"

Great for team spirit
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As much as I love oor Erik, Boyata is potentially a class above him if he keeps improving.
I think your Erik is a wee bit younger than Dedryck so it'd need to be exponential improvement.
The fact that Boyata has had little or game time is the improvement point I'm making. Just think he has more scope than Erik. That help you any 😄
No, your expanded explanation didn't provide me with any further help - but I did appreciate the effort :thumbsup:

It could be that Boyata hasn't had much game time because he's not particularly good - and looking for potential in a 26 year old doesn't give me cause for optimism.

Anyway it wouldn't be a problem if you were proved right.
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26 Jan 2017, 12:17 PM
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Christ, there's a few going overboard here. He had a good game, that was all. Efe does that all the time.

Boyata has a lot to prove to convince anyone he's anywhere near what we need at Centre half. You only need to cast your mind back to Killie or his absolutely arse collapse against the huns not so long ago.
Killie was a tough, freezing night on a shampooty surface and his first game in a long time.

The arse collapse against the Huns was also harsh considering he was out with a hamstring and missed the Euros - so was hardly doing a Bitton.

Would still have Erik and Jozo as first choice but Boyata could be decent cover.

He deserves a run like anyone else.

BR rates him and you only need to look at the difference in Armstrong now compared to last year to see what difference a good manager makes. He's done the right thing stating "it's Boyata's shirt now to lose"

Great for team spirit
That was only two games of plenty.

Loads of excuses for him. Yes, he's done well in the last couple but the gushing praise is too much, as for the gonna be better than Erik stuff. Give it a bye.

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Christ, there's a few going overboard here. He had a good game, that was all. Efe does that all the time.

Boyata has a lot to prove to convince anyone he's anywhere near what we need at Centre half. You only need to cast your mind back to Killie or his absolutely arse collapse against the huns not so long ago.
Killie was a tough, freezing night on a shampooty surface and his first game in a long time.

The arse collapse against the Huns was also harsh considering he was out with a hamstring and missed the Euros - so was hardly doing a Bitton.

Would still have Erik and Jozo as first choice but Boyata could be decent cover.

He deserves a run like anyone else.

BR rates him and you only need to look at the difference in Armstrong now compared to last year to see what difference a good manager makes. He's done the right thing stating "it's Boyata's shirt now to lose"

Great for team spirit
That was only two games of plenty.

Loads of excuses for him. Yes, he's done well in the last couple but the gushing praise is too much, as for the gonna be better than Erik stuff. Give it a bye.

Wasn't me who suggested better than Eric - I said back up to Erik and Jozo :thumbsup:

I think he has the ability to be a player but seems the type who needs an arm around the shoulder to get the best out of him.
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It just goes to show you that if you work hard for Brendan you'll get your reward - and that's all players can ask for, really. We currently have 4 or 5 centre backs at the club (if you include Lustig) who are far above anyone else in the league imo. The same pretty much goes for every other position.
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