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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,677 Views)
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allthewine
26 May 2016, 04:31 PM
I think he can be a player for us.

He's strong, quick & chips in with the odd goal.

Let's give him a half season. He might improve.
If BR can come in & turn him into a player, it'll be even more remarkable than MON turning Bobby Petta into a world beater!

I just don't see it.
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Boyata is in the same boat as the rest of our centre backs. There is a player in there but it's a flawed one. He's decent in the air, decent on the tackle and is quite quick. That should be enough to get him through the majority of games, even against better opponents, if he has the right partner and isn't asked to play a way that doesn't suit him.

I think we can improve on every CB at the club but wouldn't write any of them off, bar Efe as i don't think there's a way back for him.
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Neil Jung
26 May 2016, 04:41 PM
Boyata is in the same boat as the rest of our centre backs. There is a player in there but it's a flawed one. He's decent in the air, decent on the tackle and is quite quick. That should be enough to get him through the majority of games, even against better opponents, if he has the right partner and isn't asked to play a way that doesn't suit him.

I think we can improve on every CB at the club but wouldn't write any of them off, bar Efe as i don't think there's a way back for him.
I'm starting to think that he'd only be consistently decent if played in a back 3, and was one of the centre halves who attacked the ball, but always had someone in behind him to cover. Even then, in open play he always seems to be ball watching and not seeing thata striker has peeled away from him into space.

If he was at another club, nobody would advocate buying him. It's just because he's here already (in my opinion) that anyone takes the time to justify him remaining. In short, move him on.
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26 May 2016, 04:57 PM
Neil Jung
26 May 2016, 04:41 PM
Boyata is in the same boat as the rest of our centre backs. There is a player in there but it's a flawed one. He's decent in the air, decent on the tackle and is quite quick. That should be enough to get him through the majority of games, even against better opponents, if he has the right partner and isn't asked to play a way that doesn't suit him.

I think we can improve on every CB at the club but wouldn't write any of them off, bar Efe as i don't think there's a way back for him.
I'm starting to think that he'd only be consistently decent if played in a back 3, and was one of the centre halves who attacked the ball, but always had someone in behind him to cover. Even then, in open play he always seems to be ball watching and not seeing thata striker has peeled away from him into space.

If he was at another club, nobody would advocate buying him. It's just because he's here already (in my opinion) that anyone takes the time to justify him remaining. In short, move him on.
If we got decent money for any of our CBS I wouldn't be upset to see them leave as none of them can compare to Virgil or Deneyar.
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Neil Jung
26 May 2016, 05:05 PM
stevie21
26 May 2016, 04:57 PM
Neil Jung
26 May 2016, 04:41 PM
Boyata is in the same boat as the rest of our centre backs. There is a player in there but it's a flawed one. He's decent in the air, decent on the tackle and is quite quick. That should be enough to get him through the majority of games, even against better opponents, if he has the right partner and isn't asked to play a way that doesn't suit him.

I think we can improve on every CB at the club but wouldn't write any of them off, bar Efe as i don't think there's a way back for him.
I'm starting to think that he'd only be consistently decent if played in a back 3, and was one of the centre halves who attacked the ball, but always had someone in behind him to cover. Even then, in open play he always seems to be ball watching and not seeing thata striker has peeled away from him into space.

If he was at another club, nobody would advocate buying him. It's just because he's here already (in my opinion) that anyone takes the time to justify him remaining. In short, move him on.
If we got decent money for any of our CBS I wouldn't be upset to see them leave as none of them can compare to Virgil or Deneyar.
That implies that we would then go out and buy someone as good as either of them, but that's a bit of a leap of faith at the minute. If Jozo can stay fit, he looks a good player. Erik's decent but slow. The rest of them give you the fear when they play and unless we're scouting only bosmans, it should be fairly easy to get players in who are better than Efe, Boyata & Mulgrew. Christ, there must be bosmans out there as well that'd be an upgrade on them and that's not even including bosmans that are obviously out of our reach like Martin Caceres etc.
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I've never seen Boyata move in a way that he could be described as "quick"

Wilmots must also be on premium grade crack if he thinks the bold Dedryck can pick a pass
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26 May 2016, 05:28 PM
I've never seen Boyata move in a way that he could be described as "quick"

Wilmots must also be on premium grade crack if he thinks the bold Dedryck can pick a pass
He was quick to get back and win a great goal saving tackle against Hamilton...
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26 May 2016, 02:38 PM
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26 May 2016, 01:13 PM
I was one of those who called for Kelvin Wilson to be punted after his first season. The following one saw a big improvement. Willing to give Boyata a second chance.
Kelvin Wilson had ability. Boyata is like Bambi on ice. There is simply too much wrong with his game for him to suddenly come good. He makes Bobo look like Franco Baresi
Kelvin Wilson had ability which we never saw in his first season. His performance at Ibrox was reminiscent of Paul McGuigan. Thankfully he turned it around.
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26 May 2016, 02:38 PM
Corky Buczek
26 May 2016, 01:13 PM
I was one of those who called for Kelvin Wilson to be punted after his first season. The following one saw a big improvement. Willing to give Boyata a second chance.
Kelvin Wilson had ability. Boyata is like Bambi on ice. There is simply too much wrong with his game for him to suddenly come good. He makes Bobo look like Franco Baresi
Kelvin Wilson had ability which we never saw in his first season. His performance at Ibrox was reminiscent of Paul McGuigan. Thankfully he turned it around.
If you remember I said at the time your Paul McGugan comparison was totally ridiculous because it was obvious the guy had decent ability, pace.... and the errors were way, way overplayed. That wasn't with the benefit of hindsight - I said this before he turned in top performances in the Champions League.
There was very obviously something to work with. Boyata, on the other hand, is an absolutely woeful footballer who couldn't trap a bag of cement. At his age that isn't something we are going to rectify.
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He's just a stereotypically bad Celtic CB.
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26 May 2016, 05:49 PM
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26 May 2016, 05:34 PM
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26 May 2016, 02:38 PM

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Kelvin Wilson had ability which we never saw in his first season. His performance at Ibrox was reminiscent of Paul McGuigan. Thankfully he turned it around.
If you remember I said at the time your Paul McGugan comparison was totally ridiculous because it was obvious the guy had decent ability, pace.... and the errors were way, way overplayed. That wasn't with the benefit of hindsight - I said this before he turned in top performances in the Champions League.
There was very obviously something to work with. Boyata, on the other hand, is an absolutely woeful footballer who couldn't trap a bag of cement. At his age that isn't something we are going to rectify.
I stand by that on the day at Ibrox Wilson DID play like McGuigan. You say it was obvious he had ability. NO it wasn't. He was absolutely dreadful in his first season. Every bit as bad if not worse than Boyata.

Clearly someone running the Belgian national team sees something in Boyata. I am not predicting he will turn it around. I willing to give him another chance in the same way Wilson got one.
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26 May 2016, 06:24 PM
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If you remember I said at the time your Paul McGugan comparison was totally ridiculous because it was obvious the guy had decent ability, pace.... and the errors were way, way overplayed. That wasn't with the benefit of hindsight - I said this before he turned in top performances in the Champions League.
There was very obviously something to work with. Boyata, on the other hand, is an absolutely woeful footballer who couldn't trap a bag of cement. At his age that isn't something we are going to rectify.
I stand by that on the day at Ibrox Wilson DID play like McGuigan. You say it was obvious he had ability. NO it wasn't. He was absolutely dreadful in his first season. Every bit as bad if not worse than Boyata.

Clearly someone running the Belgian national team sees something in Boyata. I am not predicting he will turn it around. I willing to give him another chance in the same way Wilson got one.
It might not have been obvious to you but he didn't suddenly transform from Paul McGugan into a Champions League quality player. His ability was there all the time and the mistakes he made were way, way overplayed. Your Paul McGugan comparison was absurd, I'm sorry. I seem to remember you eventually agreed with me on the horror show that was Glenn Loovens. Give it a while and we'll be on the same page with Boyata too. ;)
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I've never really understood the "if he had a decent partner..." argument.

It's been trotted out for numerous cb's as an excuse for them being rubbish. Balde losing the form he showed in the Seville season because he was stuck next to Varga after that (which argument ignored Balde's various failings which were all too apparent pre-Seville).

I don't see why a player should be able to control or pass a ball better if he plays next to Van Dijk instead of Ambrose. I'm not saying that having an experienced, good player next to you, talking you through the game and able to cover you from time to time doesn't make any difference but boyata's mistakes this year have virtually all been self- inflicted
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26 May 2016, 06:33 PM
I've never really understood the "if he had a decent partner..." argument.

It's been trotted out for numerous cb's as an excuse for them being rubbish. Balde losing the form he showed in the Seville season because he was stuck next to Varga after that (which argument ignored Balde's various failings which were all too apparent pre-Seville).

I don't see why a player should be able to control or pass a ball better if he plays next to Van Dijk instead of Ambrose. I'm not saying that having an experienced, good player next to you, talking you through the game and able to cover you from time to time doesn't make any difference but boyata's mistakes this year have virtually all been self- inflicted
Our CBs were always horribly exposed in Ronnys side. Two full backs bombing on all the time without a defensive midfielder to protect them, with an expectancy to bring the ball out from the back with a team in front of him devoid of movement and seriously lacking confidence. Add in the fact he's moved to new country and unfamiliar surroundings as its only his first season.
We chopped and changed the two CB positions I don't know how many times last season and only really started to steady once Erik arrived.

I'm prepared to give him a bit longer before casting judgement.



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26 May 2016, 06:33 PM
I've never really understood the "if he had a decent partner..." argument.

It's been trotted out for numerous cb's as an excuse for them being rubbish. Balde losing the form he showed in the Seville season because he was stuck next to Varga after that (which argument ignored Balde's various failings which were all too apparent pre-Seville).

I don't see why a player should be able to control or pass a ball better if he plays next to Van Dijk instead of Ambrose. I'm not saying that having an experienced, good player next to you, talking you through the game and able to cover you from time to time doesn't make any difference but boyata's mistakes this year have virtually all been self- inflicted
Our CBs were always horribly exposed in Ronnys side. Two full backs bombing on all the time without a defensive midfielder to protect them, with an expectancy to bring the ball out from the back with a team in front of him devoid of movement and seriously lacking confidence. Add in the fact he's moved to new country and unfamiliar surroundings as its only his first season.
We chopped and changed the two CB positions I don't know how many times last season and only really started to steady once Erik arrived.

I'm prepared to give him a bit longer before casting judgement.



Boyata moved to England in 2006.

Hardly a big culture shock coming to Celtic in 2015.
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26 May 2016, 07:07 PM
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26 May 2016, 06:33 PM
I've never really understood the "if he had a decent partner..." argument.

It's been trotted out for numerous cb's as an excuse for them being rubbish. Balde losing the form he showed in the Seville season because he was stuck next to Varga after that (which argument ignored Balde's various failings which were all too apparent pre-Seville).

I don't see why a player should be able to control or pass a ball better if he plays next to Van Dijk instead of Ambrose. I'm not saying that having an experienced, good player next to you, talking you through the game and able to cover you from time to time doesn't make any difference but boyata's mistakes this year have virtually all been self- inflicted
Our CBs were always horribly exposed in Ronnys side. Two full backs bombing on all the time without a defensive midfielder to protect them, with an expectancy to bring the ball out from the back with a team in front of him devoid of movement and seriously lacking confidence. Add in the fact he's moved to new country and unfamiliar surroundings as its only his first season.
We chopped and changed the two CB positions I don't know how many times last season and only really started to steady once Erik arrived.

I'm prepared to give him a bit longer before casting judgement.



Boyata moved to England in 2006.

Hardly a big culture shock coming to Celtic in 2015.
I know that and it's irrelevant.

Hes still moving to another environment. I'm not saying he's not settled but some p,ayers can take a bit longer to settle and you need to consider a variety of issues not simply what you see on the park.

i know you don't rate him, that's fine.

Boyata has the ability to be a regular in the side if he can cut out the slackness. Hopefully under a proper manager we will see the best of him.
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Regardless of ability, his arse collapsed in the first half at hampden against a poor championship side. Dont think Brendan will appreciate his character
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26 May 2016, 01:02 PM
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26 May 2016, 12:17 PM
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Totally agree - Remy has moved on from defending Ambrose to now defending Boyata? Strange, to say the least. Both need punted - pronto.
A bit harsh. Remy's been here so long he's almost like part of the furniture.
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