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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,744 Views)
randombloke
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antrimkev
16 May 2015, 01:56 AM
we are replacing a 19 year old that we haven't a hope in hell of buying, with a 24 year old that we can buy....from man city....which is worrying in itself, unless its a Guidetti type deal....which is even more worrying

Boyata and Wilson next year then?

I remember an article a few years back that hinted we would become a premier league teams feeder club and we all laughed... we are becoming Citys
I'm confused....how does buying a player from Man City (or signing him for free as latest comments seem to indicate) make us their feeder club?


We've so far taken two of their layers on loan....one who was always going back to his parent club, one in the last year of his contract who we were interested in buying at the end of his contract (hopefully the past tense there remains correct :twitch: )

If we end up taking 2 or 3 of their players on loan every year and give them first offer on anyone we develop then you can call us their feeder club...other than that they're just a club we've done a wee bit of business with.
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randombloke
16 May 2015, 11:55 AM
antrimkev
16 May 2015, 01:56 AM
we are replacing a 19 year old that we haven't a hope in hell of buying, with a 24 year old that we can buy....from man city....which is worrying in itself, unless its a Guidetti type deal....which is even more worrying

Boyata and Wilson next year then?

I remember an article a few years back that hinted we would become a premier league teams feeder club and we all laughed... we are becoming Citys
I'm confused....how does buying a player from Man City (or signing him for free as latest comments seem to indicate) make us their feeder club?


We've so far taken two of their layers on loan....one who was always going back to his parent club, one in the last year of his contract who we were interested in buying at the end of his contract (hopefully the past tense there remains correct :twitch: )

If we end up taking 2 or 3 of their players on loan every year and give them first offer on anyone we develop then you can call us their feeder club...other than that they're just a club we've done a wee bit of business with.
Ronnys previous team had a link up with City and I think there have been one or two players from their youth setup mentioned in regards a loan with us. I'm sure I seen something about a guy called Byrne coming up next season and he's highly rated.

I don't mind us taking a couple of their players each year. They've invested heavily in their youth setup and have some great prospects who won't make it there. If we can get them for peanuts, and without any sort of obligation to play them then it's a good thing. City obviously feel Ronny is a coach they can trust with their youngsters.
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replacing a man city project with a man city sub can't be a step backwards

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antrimkev
16 May 2015, 01:56 AM
we are replacing a 19 year old that we haven't a hope in hell of buying, with a 24 year old that we can buy....from man city....which is worrying in itself, unless its a Guidetti type deal....which is even more worrying

Boyata and Wilson next year then?

I remember an article a few years back that hinted we would become a premier league teams feeder club and we all laughed... we are becoming Citys
But if guidetti is about to leave them on a free and Boyata is to be released as well, how are we feeding them?

Man City, like chelsea, Barcelona, and a number of other clubs (lncluding Celtic) send out young players on loan to give them experience they won't get at their own club. chelsea have done it brilliantly, bringing in millions of pounds from selling players who were not key to them whilst also developing young guys like Courtois who eventually come back to become key players.

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Dont know anything about him, but he must be a decent player if he's getting a few games for city.
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16 May 2015, 01:59 AM
Will bring the best out Danny Wilson.
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If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
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AG67
16 May 2015, 01:14 PM
If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
Good point about the goals. Must be about 15 between them.
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15 May 2015, 05:12 PM

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The alternative was spending a transfer fee on an inferior player. I would say it was a smart move financially.
This. If you can get a player you could never afford for a year why wouldn't you? He's been a mainstay of the team for very little outlay, great business.
Precisely. Denayer was a talented and cheap stop gap. The transfer market wasn't kind to us last year, it was wise not to spunk a few million on a panic signing. Looks like the market may be kinder to us this year and we are going to snap up a potentially decent player on a free transfer. Seems sensible to me.
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arklys
16 May 2015, 01:38 PM
AG67
16 May 2015, 01:14 PM
If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
Good point about the goals. Must be about 15 between them.
closer to 20.
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If City gave him a new 2 year contract last summer, then they must see something in him.
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16 May 2015, 03:34 PM
If City gave him a new 2 year contract last summer, then they must see something in him.
We gave Callum McGregor a 5 year contract :twitch:
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AG67
16 May 2015, 01:14 PM
If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
Might as well just give up and hand the trophy to the newhuns right now then :Bye:
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randombloke
16 May 2015, 04:16 PM
AG67
16 May 2015, 01:14 PM
If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
Might as well just give up and hand the trophy to the newhuns right now then :Bye:
I'm all for responding to reactionary posts with sarcasm, but this wasn't a reactionary post.

Denayer and VVD have been very successful and are a big part of what makes us good (defensively and otherwise). Pointing out that they would be greatly missed isn't overly dramatic.
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mick82
16 May 2015, 04:19 PM
randombloke
16 May 2015, 04:16 PM
AG67
16 May 2015, 01:14 PM
If VVD and Denayer both leave this summer, it isn't just a case of signing new replacements, as those 2 are not just great players but have formed an excellent partnership. Goals as well. Losing both leaves a huge gap in the team.
Might as well just give up and hand the trophy to the newhuns right now then :Bye:
I'm all for responding to reactionary posts with sarcasm, but this wasn't a reactionary post.

Denayer and VVD have been very successful and are a big part of what makes us good (defensively and otherwise). Pointing out that they would be greatly missed isn't overly dramatic.
I was just saying that they both been hugely impressive this season and will be a big loss. In saying that, our scouts have unearthed several gems from far-flung corners of the globe over the last few years - too many mention, most of whom had never been heard of before arriving at Celtic Park. I have every confidence that a few more will be playing at Celtic next season.
I wasn't being pessimistic, and anyway Sevco might not even be in the SPL next season ?
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16 May 2015, 04:13 PM
In The Heat of Lisbon
16 May 2015, 03:34 PM
If City gave him a new 2 year contract last summer, then they must see something in him.
We gave Callum McGregor a 5 year contract :twitch:
:twitch: Fair point.
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Mickeybhoy84
16 May 2015, 11:59 AM
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16 May 2015, 11:55 AM
antrimkev
16 May 2015, 01:56 AM
we are replacing a 19 year old that we haven't a hope in hell of buying, with a 24 year old that we can buy....from man city....which is worrying in itself, unless its a Guidetti type deal....which is even more worrying

Boyata and Wilson next year then?

I remember an article a few years back that hinted we would become a premier league teams feeder club and we all laughed... we are becoming Citys
I'm confused....how does buying a player from Man City (or signing him for free as latest comments seem to indicate) make us their feeder club?


We've so far taken two of their layers on loan....one who was always going back to his parent club, one in the last year of his contract who we were interested in buying at the end of his contract (hopefully the past tense there remains correct :twitch: )

If we end up taking 2 or 3 of their players on loan every year and give them first offer on anyone we develop then you can call us their feeder club...other than that they're just a club we've done a wee bit of business with.
Ronnys previous team had a link up with City and I think there have been one or two players from their youth setup mentioned in regards a loan with us. I'm sure I seen something about a guy called Byrne coming up next season and he's highly rated.

I don't mind us taking a couple of their players each year. They've invested heavily in their youth setup and have some great prospects who won't make it there. If we can get them for peanuts, and without any sort of obligation to play them then it's a good thing. City obviously feel Ronny is a coach they can trust with their youngsters.
but that is not what we are doing - we wont be getting Denayer for peanuts - we have/never had any hope of getting him - we have played him, City has seen what he is like (as has all the premier league clubs/championship clubs/ german clubs etc etc) and they now decide what they will do with him

that is being a feeder club :thumbsup:
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In The Heat of Lisbon
16 May 2015, 03:34 PM
If City gave him a new 2 year contract last summer, then they must see something in him.
Apparently it was because he counted as a 'home-grown' player for competition requirements. You might have a point in that he hung around at MC when all the players around him left.
Looking at people who were around him at their academy, very few have actually gone on to be big players.

Two of those players (at least, from the '08 youth FA cup winning team) are familiar to us. Vladimir Weiss played in the midfield and McGivern who I think played at Hibs when they were relegated was in the same defence as Boyata. Sturridge was also in the team but only played the first leg of the final.


Boyata could be hit or miss, it's very difficult to tell anything about him because of an incredible lack of information.


I have no idea how to post videos but there is this video of him in a pre-season friendly against Bayern Munich- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWxNBA4zqDs

The comments are quite positive but I don't think the video actually makes him look all that good. In fact he is at fault for their 2nd goal.


With Man City, Boyata played in a pre-season friendly against Dundee at the beginning of the season. John Guidetti and Jason Denayer also played........ Yeah, I don't believe in coincidences either.
City lost 2-0. Boyata gave away a penalty and scored an own goal (unfortunate deflection but he wasn't paying attention).


Short highlights- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha58egosHOg

The whole damned thing- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMY0jdRjPU



Now, that's not really enough to say anything for definite, it just makes him more of an enigma. His lack of game time obviously can't have been good for him.
If he does end up here it probably has to be a loan. The fact is that nobody could possibly have seen him play to any extent that they'd know how he'd fit into our defence. Plus, going by the video evidence we might want to get Bobo Balde paternity tested.


Next stop, ask some MC fans.
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I'm assuming Denayer will only go back with positive things to say about his time at Celtic which can only be a good thing
for any decent young players that our fiendish Manchester overlords may wish to bless us with.
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Some amount of analysis on a player who might or might not join us. Point is, you cannot tell anything really from what a player has done at any other club. Ask Ipswich fans about Daryll Murphy , and compare that with what yer average Celtic fan might think of him.
Sometimes it works for a player, sometimes it doesn't, and no amount of amateur analysis makes one bit of difference.

If he comes, we'll see what he's made of.
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