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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,706 Views)
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Bit early to tell yet. I have been very critical recently. The penalty was clumsy, but it was also very harsh. He's pretty strong in the air which is a plus however his passing is absolutely abysmal. Even simple 5 yard passes seem to struggle.
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It was never a penalty.

He looks like a good natural defender but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment and I think that is contributing to how abysmal he is with the ball at his feet.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Getting flung into our ever-changing defence is the last thing an inexperienced, nervy centre half needs.
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It was never a penalty.

He looks like a good natural defender but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment and I think that is contributing to how abysmal he is with the ball at his feet.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Getting flung into our ever-changing defence is the last thing an inexperienced, nervy centre half needs.
I agree with this. Very soft decision. I feel like people are tearing into him over this purely because he's not exactly been great so far.

Still don't have much hope for him mind, Mulgrew looked like a footballer in comparison at the weekend. Which says it all really.
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It was never a penalty.

He looks like a good natural defender but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment and I think that is contributing to how abysmal he is with the ball at his feet.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Getting flung into our ever-changing defence is the last thing an inexperienced, nervy centre half needs.
I agree with this. Very soft decision. I feel like people are tearing into him over this purely because he's not exactly been great so far.

Still don't have much hope for him mind, Mulgrew looked like a footballer in comparison at the weekend. Which says it all really.
Sorry guys it was as clear a penalty as you'll ever see. Aberdeen player got to the ball, controlled it and kept it in only for Boyata to charge into the back of him. There's only so much 'inexperience' you can let this boy away with, John Kennedy playing 90 mins away in the Camp Nou, thats inexperience. Boyata is punching well above his weight at a club the size of ours.
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he was naive at the penalty but thats about all he was guilty of.
question is will he learn from it or be coached to learn from it?

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There's no hiding from the fact. He cant pass the ball 5 yards. Must be learning from his captain.

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14 Sep 2015, 11:41 AM
It was never a penalty.

He looks like a good natural defender but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment and I think that is contributing to how abysmal he is with the ball at his feet.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Getting flung into our ever-changing defence is the last thing an inexperienced, nervy centre half needs.
I agree with this. Very soft decision. I feel like people are tearing into him over this purely because he's not exactly been great so far.

Still don't have much hope for him mind, Mulgrew looked like a footballer in comparison at the weekend. Which says it all really.
Sorry guys it was as clear a penalty as you'll ever see. Aberdeen player got to the ball, controlled it and kept it in only for Boyata to charge into the back of him. There's only so much 'inexperience' you can let this boy away with, John Kennedy playing 90 mins away in the Camp Nou, thats inexperience. Boyata is punching well above his weight at a club the size of ours.
Maybe I'll need to watch it again then, but at the time it certainly didn't look like he charged into him.
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fine - he maybe was a wee bit overzealous - but given that he didn't even make any challenge - whatsoever - that decision is down to piss poor refereeing - not an error from Boyata.
Could he have held back more? Maybe - but seriously - that's really splitting hairs. He didn't stick a boot out late he ran into an area, and stood his ground - that's all.
I thought the ref was conned - although in fairness Aberdeen should have had a penalty from mulgrew earlier. I am not sure he is as bad as some seem to think. Even regarding his passing there were times yesterday when the commentators were blaming him for a bad pass whie it was clear the fault of his teammate s not moving to the ball - including once when efe slipped.!he will be better when all around him is better.
I agree with this.

He has been made a scapegoat.

He can improve and on Saturday he was very poor. It was never a penalty and I hate all this gave the ref a decision to make talk. That doesn't mean the ref made the right decision.

We need to go with a settled back four.

Lustig-Boyata-Simunovic- Blackett. Stick with this for at least five games and see how they get on.

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14 Sep 2015, 12:35 PM
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14 Sep 2015, 12:31 PM
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14 Sep 2015, 11:41 AM
It was never a penalty.

He looks like a good natural defender but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment and I think that is contributing to how abysmal he is with the ball at his feet.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Getting flung into our ever-changing defence is the last thing an inexperienced, nervy centre half needs.
I agree with this. Very soft decision. I feel like people are tearing into him over this purely because he's not exactly been great so far.

Still don't have much hope for him mind, Mulgrew looked like a footballer in comparison at the weekend. Which says it all really.
Sorry guys it was as clear a penalty as you'll ever see. Aberdeen player got to the ball, controlled it and kept it in only for Boyata to charge into the back of him. There's only so much 'inexperience' you can let this boy away with, John Kennedy playing 90 mins away in the Camp Nou, thats inexperience. Boyata is punching well above his weight at a club the size of ours.
Agree with this. He had no business charging into the lad.
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I thought the ref was conned - although in fairness Aberdeen should have had a penalty from mulgrew earlier. I am not sure he is as bad as some seem to think. Even regarding his passing there were times yesterday when the commentators were blaming him for a bad pass whie it was clear the fault of his teammate s not moving to the ball - including once when efe slipped.!he will be better when all around him is better.
I agree with this.

He has been made a scapegoat.

He can improve and on Saturday he was very poor. It was never a penalty and I hate all this gave the ref a decision to make talk. That doesn't mean the ref made the right decision.

We need to go with a settled back four.

Lustig-Boyata-Simunovic- Blackett. Stick with this for at least five games and see how they get on.

As unappetising a thought as it may be, I'd rather go with a tried and tested back four of Lustig, Ambrose, Mulgrew and Izzy. For me, we need the full backs to be working in tandem with the wingers and Lustig and Izzy are by far the best options. Simunovic and Blackett at CB would be a very risky choice at a time when we need to win 5 or 6 games on the bounce, IMO.

Craig Gordon has to shoulder some of the responsibility for a poor start to the season. He hasn't been performing at anywhere near the levels he was producing last season and having two young and inexperienced CB's in front of him certainly isn't going improve things.

EDIT: Boyata thread - the way Boyata backs off, and off, and off...and then mistimes his tackle is bordering on hilarious. I don't imagine that's how he was taught to defend at Man City, but our coaching staff need to remedy this...and quickly.
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He's mince.

Makes Mulgrew look competent.
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I agree with this.

He has been made a scapegoat.

He can improve and on Saturday he was very poor. It was never a penalty and I hate all this gave the ref a decision to make talk. That doesn't mean the ref made the right decision.

We need to go with a settled back four.

Lustig-Boyata-Simunovic- Blackett. Stick with this for at least five games and see how they get on.

As unappetising a thought as it may be, I'd rather go with a tried and tested back four of Lustig, Ambrose, Mulgrew and Izzy. For me, we need the full backs to be working in tandem with the wingers and Lustig and Izzy are by far the best options. Simunovic and Blackett at CB would be a very risky choice at a time when we need to win 5 or 6 games on the bounce, IMO.

Craig Gordon has to shoulder some of the responsibility for a poor start to the season. He hasn't been performing at anywhere near the levels he was producing last season and having two young and inexperienced CB's in front of him certainly isn't going improve things.

EDIT: Boyata thread - the way Boyata backs off, and off, and off...and then mistimes his tackle is bordering on hilarious. I don't imagine that's how he was taught to defend at Man City, but our coaching staff need to remedy this...and quickly.
So right and so logical, it'll never catch on.
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As unappetising a thought as it may be, I'd rather go with a tried and tested back four of Lustig, Ambrose, Mulgrew and Izzy. For me, we need the full backs to be working in tandem with the wingers and Lustig and Izzy are by far the best options. Simunovic and Blackett at CB would be a very risky choice at a time when we need to win 5 or 6 games on the bounce, IMO.

Craig Gordon has to shoulder some of the responsibility for a poor start to the season. He hasn't been performing at anywhere near the levels he was producing last season and having two young and inexperienced CB's in front of him certainly isn't going improve things.

EDIT: Boyata thread - the way Boyata backs off, and off, and off...and then mistimes his tackle is bordering on hilarious. I don't imagine that's how he was taught to defend at Man City, but our coaching staff need to remedy this...and quickly.
So right and so logical, it'll never catch on.
:lol: Here's hoping RD catches on before Wednesday.
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So right and so logical, it'll never catch on.
:lol: Here's hoping RD catches on before Wednesday.
Good post and I wouldn't entirely disagree with that.

The problem is Ambrose can't be trusted and Mulgrew has no pace and is off the boil.

I actually think Boyata can be a good defender for us and we have spent quite a bit of money on Simunovic.

Simunovic and Mulgrew may be worth a look. Whatever we do, we have to stick with the same back four.

Agree re Gordon, thought he should have came out and claimed the ball for Aberdeen's winner. He was also at fault for Malmo's opener in the second leg.
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No Mulgrew. Can we please please bin this joker. How many years have we to put up with him.
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:lol: Here's hoping RD catches on before Wednesday.
Good post and I wouldn't entirely disagree with that.

The problem is Ambrose can't be trusted and Mulgrew has no pace and is off the boil.

I actually think Boyata can be a good defender for us and we have spent quite a bit of money on Simunovic.

Simunovic and Mulgrew may be worth a look. Whatever we do, we have to stick with the same back four.

Agree re Gordon, thought he should have came out and claimed the ball for Aberdeen's winner. He was also at fault for Malmo's opener in the second leg.
Boyata certainly has pace and power, which is always helpful for a CB. Unfortunately, he also seems to lack positional sense, passing and tackling ability. Still relatively young and could become a good player for us but as I mentioned earlier, I think the coaching staff have a job on their hands to bring him up to the standard we need. No harm in giving Simunovic a chance but if we're talking about a settled backline for what has now become a really important couple of months, I'd leave Boyata and Simunovic out and work with them on creating a solid partnership, maybe even give them a couple of games in the development side together.

Hopefully both go on to be our first-choice CB's in time but for me, that time is not now.

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No Mulgrew. Can we please please bin this joker. How many years have we to put up with him.
Keep mulgrew as far away as possible. I still think Boyata can come good but his confidence is shot atm, I'd give Blackett a run with simunovic
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his passing straight too the opposition is reminding me off gary caldwells similar trait. :(
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I thought the ref was conned - although in fairness Aberdeen should have had a penalty from mulgrew earlier. I am not sure he is as bad as some seem to think. Even regarding his passing there were times yesterday when the commentators were blaming him for a bad pass whie it was clear the fault of his teammate s not moving to the ball - including once when efe slipped.!he will be better when all around him is better.
I agree with this.

He has been made a scapegoat.

He can improve and on Saturday he was very poor. It was never a penalty and I hate all this gave the ref a decision to make talk. That doesn't mean the ref made the right decision.

We need to go with a settled back four.

Lustig-Boyata-Simunovic- Blackett. Stick with this for at least five games and see how they get on.

Was RD not quoted or it was said / written somewhere that Lustig can't play two games in a row?

I don't expect to see him start on Thursday.

I agree that we need a settled back four but like RD, I have no idea who that should be.
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All the bits are there but he is definitely a work in progress. The problem for us is that he gets to work that out in important games.
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