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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,500 Views)
remy mcswain
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25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 10:41 AM
Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
Oh I watch alright. And I didnt say he didnt make mistakes. I said he made less than Boyata.
He doesn't.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:41 AM
Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
Agreed. With Ajer it's lots of minor mistakes and things he can definitely in time improve on. He might not make calamitous blunders like the ones Boyata does, but he definitely makes more mistakes in a game than DB.

Boyata is a better defender than Ajer.

Boyata even dug him out a few times.
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25 Jun 2018, 11:16 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 10:41 AM
Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
Oh I watch alright. And I didnt say he didnt make mistakes. I said he made less than Boyata.
He doesn't.
I know you often think your word is gospel, but I disagree lad :thumbsup:
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Wheres that Celtic by Numbers boy when ye need him?
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25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM

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He doesn't.
I know you often think your word is gospel, but I disagree lad :thumbsup:
My opinion is my opinion and ICGAF whether anyone agrees or disagrees with it.

But you're wrong :ph43r: ;)
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I'm not sure I agree Ajer makes less mistakes than Boyata. I think Ajer is a better footballer but Boyata is a better defender.

Ajer gets caught with a lack of positioning, he's also slow on the turn and far far to keen to go to ground . I'm hardly a Boyata fan either.

I disagree.

Boyata has been described as a bombscare for the majority of the time he's been at Celtic. Even in his golden period over the last 18 months, he's cost us in big games. And lets not forget he was a more seasoned player than Ajer when both respectively arrived. I'll accept Ajer has been in the team for a shorter period, but I simply don't see him in the bombscare category - and he's a converted midfielder into the bargain.

Lacking experience and still working on his game? Sure. A bombscare with 3-5 gifted goals in him per season? Naw.

PS. I'll accept he plays best beside Boyata - or at least someone physical like that.
Do you go to games?
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I disagree.

Boyata has been described as a bombscare for the majority of the time he's been at Celtic. Even in his golden period over the last 18 months, he's cost us in big games. And lets not forget he was a more seasoned player than Ajer when both respectively arrived. I'll accept Ajer has been in the team for a shorter period, but I simply don't see him in the bombscare category - and he's a converted midfielder into the bargain.

Lacking experience and still working on his game? Sure. A bombscare with 3-5 gifted goals in him per season? Naw.

PS. I'll accept he plays best beside Boyata - or at least someone physical like that.
Do you go to games?
'Do you go to games' is the last refuge of fools who don't have anything to add to the debate.

I'm sure the very many other KDS posters I've met at games/Celtic pubs over the last thirteen years will verify my attendance at Celtic Park :thumbsup:
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25 Jun 2018, 11:20 AM
Wheres that Celtic by Numbers boy when ye need him?
Now that you come to mention it...

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Ajer’s skillset is unique and not just within the league but also among his fellow Celtic centre-backs (with maybe one exception, more on that later). His numbers point towards having the potential to develop into the holy centre-back grail of today’s game; a player who has the qualities of both the ‘traditional’ and ‘modern’ centre-back, rolled into one physically intimidating package.
https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/2018/5/25/season-review-centre-backs-part-2?rq=ajer


See also: http://90minutecynic.com/the-dribbler-a-game-changing-talent-2/
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25 Jun 2018, 11:20 AM
Wheres that Celtic by Numbers boy when ye need him?
Now that you come to mention it...

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Ajer’s skillset is unique and not just within the league but also among his fellow Celtic centre-backs (with maybe one exception, more on that later). His numbers point towards having the potential to develop into the holy centre-back grail of today’s game; a player who has the qualities of both the ‘traditional’ and ‘modern’ centre-back, rolled into one physically intimidating package.
https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/2018/5/25/season-review-centre-backs-part-2?rq=ajer


See also: http://90minutecynic.com/the-dribbler-a-game-changing-talent-2/
I like stats and find them interesting but how do they measure someone being in position? Or passing to the wrong teammate? Often Ajer has needed to make mad slide challenges because he's lost his man.

He does have the makings of a fantastic big player but Boyata to me is the better defender at the moment.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM

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Do you go to games?
'Do you go to games' is the last refuge of fools who don't have anything to add to the debate.

I'm sure the very many other KDS posters I've met at games/Celtic pubs over the last thirteen years will verify my attendance at Celtic Park :thumbsup:
Then you'll know that Ajer makes errors. A bunch of them. Positionally, not being on the cover, being outmuscled at the straight ball, misjudging headers, being exposed in the full back position, clearances that don't get beyond opposing midfielders and occasionally, passing.

Less showy than the odd Boyata clanger with most leading to less damage, but they are there if you care to watch.

All will make errors (Jozo probably makes the most) and Ajer's are fixable with experience.
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25 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 11:20 AM
Wheres that Celtic by Numbers boy when ye need him?
Now that you come to mention it...

Quote:
 

Ajer’s skillset is unique and not just within the league but also among his fellow Celtic centre-backs (with maybe one exception, more on that later). His numbers point towards having the potential to develop into the holy centre-back grail of today’s game; a player who has the qualities of both the ‘traditional’ and ‘modern’ centre-back, rolled into one physically intimidating package.
https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/2018/5/25/season-review-centre-backs-part-2?rq=ajer


See also: http://90minutecynic.com/the-dribbler-a-game-changing-talent-2/
I like stats and find them interesting but how do they measure someone being in position? Or passing to the wrong teammate? Often Ajer has needed to make mad slide challenges because he's lost his man.

He does have the makings of a fantastic big player but Boyata to me is the better defender at the moment.
Sure. He's more physical and much more experienced. I think he makes more mistakes too - and they always seem to cost us in a way that Ajer's doesnt.
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oneillsrevolution
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oneillsrevolution
25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM

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Do you go to games?
'Do you go to games' is the last refuge of fools who don't have anything to add to the debate.

I'm sure the very many other KDS posters I've met at games/Celtic pubs over the last thirteen years will verify my attendance at Celtic Park :thumbsup:
It’s more about the fact you see more in person, rather than following the ball on TV.

Doesn’t seem to make much difference in your case :thumbsup:
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'Do you go to games' is the last refuge of fools who don't have anything to add to the debate.

I'm sure the very many other KDS posters I've met at games/Celtic pubs over the last thirteen years will verify my attendance at Celtic Park :thumbsup:
It’s more about the fact you see more in person, rather than following the ball on TV.

Doesn’t seem to make much difference in your case :thumbsup:
Nae bother softlad
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I'm not sure I agree Ajer makes less mistakes than Boyata. I think Ajer is a better footballer but Boyata is a better defender.

Ajer gets caught with a lack of positioning, he's also slow on the turn and far far to keen to go to ground . I'm hardly a Boyata fan either.

I disagree.

Boyata has been described as a bombscare for the majority of the time he's been at Celtic. Even in his golden period over the last 18 months, he's cost us in big games. And lets not forget he was a more seasoned player than Ajer when both respectively arrived. I'll accept Ajer has been in the team for a shorter period, but I simply don't see him in the bombscare category - and he's a converted midfielder into the bargain.

Lacking experience and still working on his game? Sure. A bombscare with 3-5 gifted goals in him per season? Naw.

PS. I'll accept he plays best beside Boyata - or at least someone physical like that.
so is brown a bombscare? i can straight away think of 3 times he gifted goals last year. players make mistakes, its especially noticeable in defensive areas. lustig has made errors, simunovic cost plenty of goals last year, tierney has made mistakes but they arent constantly rounded on about it by some on here.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:43 AM
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I disagree.

Boyata has been described as a bombscare for the majority of the time he's been at Celtic. Even in his golden period over the last 18 months, he's cost us in big games. And lets not forget he was a more seasoned player than Ajer when both respectively arrived. I'll accept Ajer has been in the team for a shorter period, but I simply don't see him in the bombscare category - and he's a converted midfielder into the bargain.

Lacking experience and still working on his game? Sure. A bombscare with 3-5 gifted goals in him per season? Naw.

PS. I'll accept he plays best beside Boyata - or at least someone physical like that.
so is brown a bombscare? i can straight away think of 3 times he gifted goals last year. players make mistakes, its especially noticeable in defensive areas. lustig has made errors, simunovic cost plenty of goals last year, tierney has made mistakes but they arent constantly rounded on about it by some on here.
There’s one proper ‘bombscare’ in the Celtic 1st team. We all know who it is.
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Boyata is a good defender. Great positioning, heading and tackling ability. Just regularly effs up in defence so the only person that can make up for him is the goalie. When a midfielder cocks up at least they have 2 CB's to help cover.
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so is brown a bombscare? i can straight away think of 3 times he gifted goals last year. players make mistakes, its especially noticeable in defensive areas. lustig has made errors, simunovic cost plenty of goals last year, tierney has made mistakes but they arent constantly rounded on about it by some on here.
There’s one proper ‘bombscare’ in the Celtic 1st team. We all know who it is.
tebilly was a bombscare, efe had it in him too boyata is nowhere near there levels and a far better player. you either dont know the meaning of the word bombscare or have a personal hatred of boyata that clouds your judgement, i think we all know which one it is :thumbsup:
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I like stats and find them interesting but how do they measure someone being in position? Or passing to the wrong teammate? Often Ajer has needed to make mad slide challenges because he's lost his man.

He does have the makings of a fantastic big player but Boyata to me is the better defender at the moment.
Sure. He's more physical and much more experienced. I think he makes more mistakes too - and they always seem to cost us in a way that Ajer's doesnt.
I reckon Boyata's tend to be more catastrophic as they're often when he's stepping forward to make a pass and the rest of the team are on the front foot etc. Ajer's errors were more numerous but generally happened when we were defending as a team so didn't cost us.
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We need a new centre back, be that one or two. Boyata is a liability and Jozo isn't the centre back we all thought he'd be.
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Sure. He's more physical and much more experienced. I think he makes more mistakes too - and they always seem to cost us in a way that Ajer's doesnt.
I reckon Boyata's tend to be more catastrophic as they're often when he's stepping forward to make a pass and the rest of the team are on the front foot etc. Ajer's errors were more numerous but generally happened when we were defending as a team so didn't cost us.
Agree with this. Boyata’s occasional howler is usually a daft pass across the back line that gets cut out, or something equally visible from our own possession. Textbook bombscare stuff, but which he has significantly reduced.

Ajer’s regular mistakes are basic defensive stuff when the other team have the ball, and which can hopefully be coached out of him.
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