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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,501 Views)
oneillsrevolution
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24 Jun 2018, 08:18 PM
oneillsrevolution
24 Jun 2018, 08:06 PM
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24 Jun 2018, 08:05 PM
Even if he monsters Harry Kane and keeps him in his hip pocket for the whole game, he'll still be pish to some on here, it's the KDS way once it's been decided that you're shoogily, suspect and not Celtic standard that's it you're doomed for all eternity.
He's perfectly capable of the odd great game when playing top strikers. Doesn't take away the fact he's also capable of major mistakes against average players too.
It's not even happened yet and minds are made up.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean lad but I've formed an opinion based on watching Dedryck home and away since he arrived at Celtic :thumbsup:
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There's guys on here with fairly set opinions that Boyata walking on water wouldn't change, he's nowhere near as bad as some on here would have you believe and I think he'll do well in Italy but I'd rather be stayed to be perfectly honest, I think there's a player in there IMHO
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Varying opinions aside as he only has a year left he should be getting sold.
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24 Jun 2018, 08:31 PM
There's guys on here with fairly set opinions that Boyata walking on water wouldn't change, he's nowhere near as bad as some on here would have you believe and I think he'll do well in Italy but I'd rather be stayed to be perfectly honest, I think there's a player in there IMHO
Ideal scenario: Boyata stays for CL qualifiers. Unusually has several great games in a row without costing us goals. We qualify. Signs for Lazio for £7m. We get Schar in for £3.5m.

Everyone's happy.
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24 Jun 2018, 08:20 PM
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24 Jun 2018, 08:18 PM
oneillsrevolution
24 Jun 2018, 07:17 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://eldesmarque.com/coruna/deportivo/noticias/19375-schar-se-pone-en-el-escaparatehttp://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11286123/ranger-2-3-celtic

Turned by a non-entity like Josh Windass. Then bullied by Morelos.

Story of his Celtic career bar a good 8-9 months.
You had one good post about 6 months ago - story of your KDS career.
:lol:

What pish is this.
Exactly. When did you ever post anything good?

Anyway, I refuse to accept anyone's scouting credentials unless they've sat in a tree for three days waiting to shoot a coyote. I've a suspicion such a person may be posting in this thread though...
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Compared to some of the defending I've seen at this World Cup Boyata is by no means the worst player there. If anything I think we'd struggle to find a CH better than him that we'd be able to afford in any of the other teams. Eyes opened to defenders being liabilities all over the place.
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24 Jun 2018, 08:37 PM
Varying opinions aside as he only has a year left he should be getting sold.
Correct. If he hasnt signed a new deal by August, punt to the highest bidder.

He's nowhere near good enough to be holding us to letting him go for free next year
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25 Jun 2018, 03:28 AM
Compared to some of the defending I've seen at this World Cup Boyata is by no means the worst player there. If anything I think we'd struggle to find a CH better than him that we'd be able to afford in any of the other teams. Eyes opened to defenders being liabilities all over the place.
Not just defending at this World Cup, defending every week in every competition anywhere, in England, in Spain, in CL, next doors two v two. Some posters can't watch much football the way our defenders are criticised.
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25 Jun 2018, 03:28 AM
Compared to some of the defending I've seen at this World Cup Boyata is by no means the worst player there. If anything I think we'd struggle to find a CH better than him that we'd be able to afford in any of the other teams. Eyes opened to defenders being liabilities all over the place.
Not just defending at this World Cup, defending every week in every competition anywhere, in England, in Spain, in CL, next doors two v two. Some posters can't watch much football the way our defenders are criticised.
What he does with Belgium at the World Cup is not relevant for how he performs at Celtic - except for increasing his value and potentially getting him a move. We have all watched him every week and know his strengths and limitations. And since Boyata has been average - at best - for the majority of his time here, I'm not sure mounting a 'Celtic supporters know effall' defence in his favour is the way to go.

He's obviously played well over the last 18 months to get his Celtic career moving, but I refuse to accept we cannot get a more reliable defender at this club. We have had several in the recent past that we purchased for far less than he's currently valued at.

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He's scoring against England btw.
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24 Jun 2018, 11:57 AM
Thought that it was his error to play the 2 opposition players onside, letting one of them have a free header. Either play them offside, or get goal side of them
The entire Belgian defence was playing the goalscorer onside.
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25 Jun 2018, 08:38 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 07:55 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 03:28 AM
Compared to some of the defending I've seen at this World Cup Boyata is by no means the worst player there. If anything I think we'd struggle to find a CH better than him that we'd be able to afford in any of the other teams. Eyes opened to defenders being liabilities all over the place.
Not just defending at this World Cup, defending every week in every competition anywhere, in England, in Spain, in CL, next doors two v two. Some posters can't watch much football the way our defenders are criticised.
What he does with Belgium at the World Cup is not relevant for how he performs at Celtic - except for increasing his value and potentially getting him a move. We have all watched him every week and know his strengths and limitations. And since Boyata has been average - at best - for the majority of his time here, I'm not sure mounting a 'Celtic supporters know effall' defence in his favour is the way to go.

He's obviously played well over the last 18 months to get his Celtic career moving, but I refuse to accept we cannot get a more reliable defender at this club. We have had several in the recent past that we purchased for far less than he's currently valued at.

Several? VVD and........? Boyata may not be great and is liable to a lapse in concentration or trying to be Beckenbauer when he's not that type of CB, but he is still a good player. My gripe is when our players are berated for occasional mistakes. The World Cup is supposed to have the world's best players. I've seen the world's best goalkeeper make a howler, some of the best strikers miss easy chances and one of the best midfielders make a few horrendous passes. It happens. As has been said sell Boyata if he is not going to sign an extension otherwise it's a case of definitely keep. If BR thinks he can sign better great.
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25 Jun 2018, 09:57 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 08:38 AM
pieol
25 Jun 2018, 07:55 AM

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What he does with Belgium at the World Cup is not relevant for how he performs at Celtic - except for increasing his value and potentially getting him a move. We have all watched him every week and know his strengths and limitations. And since Boyata has been average - at best - for the majority of his time here, I'm not sure mounting a 'Celtic supporters know effall' defence in his favour is the way to go.

He's obviously played well over the last 18 months to get his Celtic career moving, but I refuse to accept we cannot get a more reliable defender at this club. We have had several in the recent past that we purchased for far less than he's currently valued at.

Several? VVD and........? Boyata may not be great and is liable to a lapse in concentration or trying to be Beckenbauer when he's not that type of CB, but he is still a good player. My gripe is when our players are berated for occasional mistakes. The World Cup is supposed to have the world's best players. I've seen the world's best goalkeeper make a howler, some of the best strikers miss easy chances and one of the best midfielders make a few horrendous passes. It happens. As has been said sell Boyata if he is not going to sign an extension otherwise it's a case of definitely keep. If BR thinks he can sign better great.
Ajer has much less experience, a far less illustrious pedigree, but seems to make much fewer mistakes. And he plays out from the back too. Why is that? Is his concentration better? Is he a better player?

I agree its a moot pint: if Dedryck doesnt sign he's out the door anyhow. This debate started last night when I said we'd be getting a great deal for £7m and Boyata is eminently replaceable. He is. On request, I've provided players who look to be better than him at half his reputed value (Schar) and players who we've signed for less than £7m that are more reliable (Ajer). I don't really see what is controversial about any of that - but I understand there are a lot of contrary carrots in here who just like to argue for arguments sake.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:24 AM
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25 Jun 2018, 09:57 AM
oneillsrevolution
25 Jun 2018, 08:38 AM

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Several? VVD and........? Boyata may not be great and is liable to a lapse in concentration or trying to be Beckenbauer when he's not that type of CB, but he is still a good player. My gripe is when our players are berated for occasional mistakes. The World Cup is supposed to have the world's best players. I've seen the world's best goalkeeper make a howler, some of the best strikers miss easy chances and one of the best midfielders make a few horrendous passes. It happens. As has been said sell Boyata if he is not going to sign an extension otherwise it's a case of definitely keep. If BR thinks he can sign better great.
Ajer has much less experience, a far less illustrious pedigree, but seems to make much fewer mistakes. And he plays out from the back too. Why is that? Is his concentration better? Is he a better player?

I agree its a moot pint: if Dedryck doesnt sign he's out the door anyhow. This debate started last night when I said we'd be getting a great deal for £7m and Boyata is eminently replaceable. He is. On request, I've provided players who look to be better than him at half his reputed value (Schar) and players who we've signed for less than £7m that are more reliable (Ajer). I don't really see what is controversial about any of that - but I understand there are a lot of contrary carrots in here who just like to argue for arguments sake.
I'm not sure I agree Ajer makes less mistakes than Boyata. I think Ajer is a better footballer but Boyata is a better defender.

Ajer gets caught with a lack of positioning, he's also slow on the turn and far far to keen to go to ground . I'm hardly a Boyata fan either.

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Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM
oneillsrevolution
25 Jun 2018, 10:24 AM
pieol
25 Jun 2018, 09:57 AM

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Ajer has much less experience, a far less illustrious pedigree, but seems to make much fewer mistakes. And he plays out from the back too. Why is that? Is his concentration better? Is he a better player?

I agree its a moot pint: if Dedryck doesnt sign he's out the door anyhow. This debate started last night when I said we'd be getting a great deal for £7m and Boyata is eminently replaceable. He is. On request, I've provided players who look to be better than him at half his reputed value (Schar) and players who we've signed for less than £7m that are more reliable (Ajer). I don't really see what is controversial about any of that - but I understand there are a lot of contrary carrots in here who just like to argue for arguments sake.
I'm not sure I agree Ajer makes less mistakes than Boyata. I think Ajer is a better footballer but Boyata is a better defender.

Ajer gets caught with a lack of positioning, he's also slow on the turn and far far to keen to go to ground . I'm hardly a Boyata fan either.

I disagree.

Boyata has been described as a bombscare for the majority of the time he's been at Celtic. Even in his golden period over the last 18 months, he's cost us in big games. And lets not forget he was a more seasoned player than Ajer when both respectively arrived. I'll accept Ajer has been in the team for a shorter period, but I simply don't see him in the bombscare category - and he's a converted midfielder into the bargain.

Lacking experience and still working on his game? Sure. A bombscare with 3-5 gifted goals in him per season? Naw.

PS. I'll accept he plays best beside Boyata - or at least someone physical like that.
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25 Jun 2018, 10:41 AM
Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
Oh I watch alright. And I didnt say he didnt make mistakes. I said he made less than Boyata.
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If he has a good game against England, his agent can use it as leverage to ask for an improved contract with Celtic. It's a Double-edged sword in that regard. Like others, I'd be inclined to sell him if he won't sign a new contract, or asks for silly money to do so.
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Forza
25 Jun 2018, 10:41 AM
Ajer makes plenty mistakes. Anyone who doesn't think so has not been watching.

It's still fine because he is young, is learning and most of them have not amounted to much, but he had a number of wobbles last season, starting away in Astana.
Agreed. With Ajer it's lots of minor mistakes and things he can definitely in time improve on. He might not make calamitous blunders like the ones Boyata does, but he definitely makes more mistakes in a game than DB.

Boyata is a better defender than Ajer.

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