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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,517 Views)
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He was our best player in Belgium.
Ah ok - well I take it all back - keep him he's great :thumbsup:
Glad you’ve seen sense mate.
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They seem to be saying he won't be dropped for the 23 man squad? Nainggolan not being in it is mad.
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Ah ok - well I take it all back - keep him he's great :thumbsup:
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to this but would you sell Boyata, Simunovic, Sviatchenko and Compper this summer?
Absolutely
None of them are good enough.
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I'd argue that we should be keeping players that are top tier domestically.

Judging him on CL performances isn't fair as none of our players have looked like they belong at that level. Moussa perhaps. Tierney someday.

If CL is the barometer then we need a complete overhaul.
Judging him on the Champions league isn't fair ? :lol:
Maybe because he was part of a defence that shipped a wheen of goals and not just PSG and Bayern - Astana away was hardly the cream of Europe

Look he isn't good enough we need better, judging him against players that will never play for us again and refusing to consider European performances is just blinkered, green tinted pish.
So do we get rid of Tierney? Lustig? Do we get rid of Brown and Ntcham? Gordon?

What about the rest of the team who played in CL? Can we say any of them performed well?

By your logic we need to get shot of everyone whenever we get knocked out of the CL.

Who would you say has performed consistently well in the CL for us?
Edited by Lubo94, 21 May 2018, 06:05 PM.
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Judging him on the Champions league isn't fair ? :lol:
Maybe because he was part of a defence that shipped a wheen of goals and not just PSG and Bayern - Astana away was hardly the cream of Europe

Look he isn't good enough we need better, judging him against players that will never play for us again and refusing to consider European performances is just blinkered, green tinted pish.
So do we get rid of Tierney? Lustig? Do we get rid of Brown and Ntcham? Gordon?

What about the rest of the team who played in CL? Can we say any of them performed well?

By your logic we need to get shot of everyone whenever we get knocked out of the CL.

Who would you say has performed consistently well in the CL for us?
It doesnt matter how much you try to widen this
Im not talking about the midfield, just Boyata
Lustig is done Simunovic is too unreliable
Boyata isnt good enough

So I would replace the whole defence except Tierney and Ajer
Edited by Ess, 21 May 2018, 06:14 PM.
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So do we get rid of Tierney? Lustig? Do we get rid of Brown and Ntcham? Gordon?

What about the rest of the team who played in CL? Can we say any of them performed well?

By your logic we need to get shot of everyone whenever we get knocked out of the CL.

Who would you say has performed consistently well in the CL for us?
It doesnt matter how much you try to widen this
Lustig is done Simunovic is too unreliable
Boyata isnt good enough

So I would replace the whole defence except Tierney and Ajer
A defence that has brought us two treble seasons and you'd genuinely uproot the squad to try and make it an extra round at best in the champions league?

Madness. I don't think Lustig is done but I agree that area needs strengthened.
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Sell all our centre backs, except for the rookie Ajer? FFS. :lol:
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It doesnt matter how much you try to widen this
Lustig is done Simunovic is too unreliable
Boyata isnt good enough

So I would replace the whole defence except Tierney and Ajer
A defence that has brought us two treble seasons and you'd genuinely uproot the squad to try and make it an extra round at best in the champions leagues?

Madness. I don't think Lustig is done but I agree that area needs strengthened.
The defence needs improved drastically
Boyata and Ajer seem to be the only two central defenders that Rodgers trusts
I dont trust him, like a chicken breast thats been in the fridge for a few days

We need a right back, cover for KT and at least one centre half
Again, based on his three years here, I would sell Boyata
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Because of the way Brendan wants us to play, getting Central defenders who can do the lot and are comfortable stroking the ball about across the back, they are hard to find for the money we are looking to pay.

Apart from big Virgil, the vast majority of Centre Halves that have been held in high esteem by the Celtic support were not too clever on the deck.

I'd stick with Boyata for that reason, trying to find replacements would be a very difficult ask.
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Although I am a bit surprised at his inclusion in the Belgium WC squad, I thought in the Cup Final it was noticeable that Boyata at times just played safe and knocked it out for a throw or just cleared it when there was nothing on. Maybe the goal at Ibrox taught him a lesson.
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21 May 2018, 04:36 PM
Nainggolan not in that Belgium squad. They can have all the great players they want. There's no chance they're even getting close to winning the thing with that absolute diddy of a manager.
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Total idiocy, he's a great player.
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A defence that has brought us two treble seasons and you'd genuinely uproot the squad to try and make it an extra round at best in the champions leagues?

Madness. I don't think Lustig is done but I agree that area needs strengthened.
The defence needs improved drastically
Boyata and Ajer seem to be the only two central defenders that Rodgers trusts
I dont trust him, like a chicken breast thats been in the fridge for a few days

We need a right back, cover for KT and at least one centre half
Again, based on his three years here, I would sell Boyata
Well I dont see the logic in selling the best of our six centre halves to get another one in.

It'd be more prudent to shift Sviatchenko and possibly one of Simunovic or Compper and get another one in with exerience and proven ability.

That way we'd have two experienced CB's, two talented youngsters and an extra one for cover

I agree that we need someone who can challenge Lustig to either raise his game or bump him off the starting 11 and also LB cover for Tierney.
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The defence needs improved drastically
Boyata and Ajer seem to be the only two central defenders that Rodgers trusts
I dont trust him, like a chicken breast thats been in the fridge for a few days

We need a right back, cover for KT and at least one centre half
Again, based on his three years here, I would sell Boyata
Well I dont see the logic in selling the best of our six centre halves to get another one in.

It'd be more prudent to shift Sviatchenko and possibly one of Simunovic or Compper and get another one in with exerience and proven ability.

That way we'd have two experienced CB's, two talented youngsters and an extra one for cover

I agree that we need someone who can challenge Lustig to either raise his game or bump him off the starting 11 and also LB cover for Tierney.
The logic of selling everyone but Ajer is that none of the others are good enough in my opinion.
I don't think Boyata would be happy on the bench, he might make the Belgian squad and there might be people who, like you, rate him enough to give us a decent return.

You keep repeating the same list of six players, so lets look at them

You keep listing Sviatchenko as if he is a viable option, he isn't, he's effectively gone.
Compper was bought in January and despite his injury, Rodgers would rather play the fenian wigmeister general at centre half, which implies even BR thinks he isn't good enough.
Hendry has been pretty pish but is trusted before Simunovic, who has been benched and both can be a bombscare,

That leaves Boyata and Ajer - I would keep Ajer but look for at least one new centre half because Boyata gives me the fear.

Its all wind and pish really because the logistics of selling him are of little concern to me - I don't want to go into another UCL qualifiers relying on Boyata at centre half, and no amount of "well he is better than someone else" will change that.
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Well I dont see the logic in selling the best of our six centre halves to get another one in.

It'd be more prudent to shift Sviatchenko and possibly one of Simunovic or Compper and get another one in with exerience and proven ability.

That way we'd have two experienced CB's, two talented youngsters and an extra one for cover

I agree that we need someone who can challenge Lustig to either raise his game or bump him off the starting 11 and also LB cover for Tierney.
The logic of selling everyone but Ajer is that none of the others are good enough in my opinion.
I don't think Boyata would be happy on the bench, he might make the Belgian squad and there might be people who, like you, rate him enough to give us a decent return.

You keep repeating the same list of six players, so lets look at them

You keep listing Sviatchenko as if he is a viable option, he isn't, he's effectively gone.
Compper was bought in January and despite his injury, Rodgers would rather play the fenian wigmeister general at centre half, which implies even BR thinks he isn't good enough.
Hendry has been pretty pish but is trusted before Simunovic, who has been benched and both can be a bombscare,

That leaves Boyata and Ajer - I would keep Ajer but look for at least one new centre half because Boyata gives me the fear.

Its all wind and pish really because the logistics of selling him are of little concern to me - I don't want to go into another UCL qualifiers relying on Boyata at centre half, and no amount of "well he is better than someone else" will change that.
Well the logistics might not matter to you but no manager in their right mind would shift 5 centre backs, keeping only a 20 year old and bring in a handful of new ones hoping that the team gels with them and they hit the ground running in time for CL qualifiers.

Any suggestions on CB's we could get that would see us progress further in Europe next year than we have with Boyata?
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The logic of selling everyone but Ajer is that none of the others are good enough in my opinion.
I don't think Boyata would be happy on the bench, he might make the Belgian squad and there might be people who, like you, rate him enough to give us a decent return.

You keep repeating the same list of six players, so lets look at them

You keep listing Sviatchenko as if he is a viable option, he isn't, he's effectively gone.
Compper was bought in January and despite his injury, Rodgers would rather play the fenian wigmeister general at centre half, which implies even BR thinks he isn't good enough.
Hendry has been pretty pish but is trusted before Simunovic, who has been benched and both can be a bombscare,

That leaves Boyata and Ajer - I would keep Ajer but look for at least one new centre half because Boyata gives me the fear.

Its all wind and pish really because the logistics of selling him are of little concern to me - I don't want to go into another UCL qualifiers relying on Boyata at centre half, and no amount of "well he is better than someone else" will change that.
Well the logistics might not matter to you but no manager in their right mind would shift 5 centre backs, keeping only a 20 year old and bring in a handful of new ones hoping that the team gels with them and they hit the ground running in time for CL qualifiers.

Any suggestions on CB's we could get that would see us progress further in Europe next year than we have with Boyata?
It's not shifting five centre backs at all - its selling Boyata - that was my original point
He's not good enough, needs replaced.
As do others

The rest is just you getting a bit hysterical at the hypothetical loss of FIVE Defenders, four of whom are useless.


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Well the logistics might not matter to you but no manager in their right mind would shift 5 centre backs, keeping only a 20 year old and bring in a handful of new ones hoping that the team gels with them and they hit the ground running in time for CL qualifiers.

Any suggestions on CB's we could get that would see us progress further in Europe next year than we have with Boyata?
It's not shifting five centre backs at all - its selling Boyata - that was my original point
He's not good enough, needs replaced.
As do others

The rest is just you getting a bit hysterical at the hypothetical loss of FIVE Defenders, four of whom are useless.


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Boyata's good enough
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He played very well in the final and has done over the past few weeks. If this was his consistent form it'd be a no brainer and we'd try our best to keep him here for as long as possible. I'd still keep him though and you'd have to put (at least) Compper, Sviatchenko and Simunovic on the 'out' list before him.
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That is just nonsense. He bosses games when he's on it and he usually is.
He doesn't really and he isn't usually
I'm with Lubo and Wee Ed. He has been consistently reliable for a decent spell now, and I honestly can't see us finding anyone better. And BR seems to rate him, which is quite a relevant argument.
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