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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,547 Views)
Aidenho
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I'm ready to move on, I think we've seen enough to know what we're capable of getting out of Boyata at his best, worst, and in between.

I'd take a consistently fit, boring, average centre half at this point than continue to deal with the promise of a stellar game sprinkled in here and there.
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Country Mac
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Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

That said, the mistakes and the sheer volume of them are a real worry. In big games too. Efe was correctly punted for failing to eradicate these from his game after we persevered with him for several years - despite also being a talented footballer.

Boyata isn't quite at that stage yet. I'd like to see him play more with Ajer and Compper/Hendry because playing next to Jozo (who really does look a shambles) can't be doing him any good.
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14 Mar 2018, 01:44 PM
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14 Mar 2018, 01:42 PM
I can't see anyone being upset when he effs off in the summer. He's weak.

Morelos will be. He's got him on toast.
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14 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:10 PM
I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two.
Can I see your working on that? :ponder: What are you using for price comparisons?
Jozo was linked to the likes of Burnley in the summer for around £8-10m. Boyata was linked with Atleti in jan for around £8-10m in Spain. Our job would be to find better than them if we sold them, obviously. I don't think it would be easy to sign a couple of defenders to come in and be better than them.
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25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:47 PM
wigwam
14 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:10 PM
I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two.
Can I see your working on that? :ponder: What are you using for price comparisons?
Jozo was linked to the likes of Burnley in the summer for around £8-10m. Boyata was linked with Atleti in jan for around £8-10m in Spain. Our job would be to find better than them if we sold them, obviously. I don't think it would be easy to sign a couple of defenders to come in and be better than them.
Boyata was linked to Atletico Madrid only via a Twitter account whose bio stated "I do not know about football" :lol: :lol: It was about the fakest rumour in January's transfer window.

Be lucky to get £3m for Boyata.
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Does remind me of my favourite Boyata incident, when he lifted up that wee nyaff Joe Gardner and flung him aside, never even gave away a foul.
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25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:47 PM
wigwam
14 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:10 PM
I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two.
Can I see your working on that? :ponder: What are you using for price comparisons?
Jozo was linked to the likes of Burnley in the summer for around £8-10m. Boyata was linked with Atleti in jan for around £8-10m in Spain. Our job would be to find better than them if we sold them, obviously. I don't think it would be easy to sign a couple of defenders to come in and be better than them.
For clarity, you don't think we could get better than those 2 for 18m pounds? :rubeyes:
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I think we could replace both Boyata and Jozo with one of their transfer fees, which would still leave us with one of them as back up.
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14 Mar 2018, 06:54 PM
I think we could replace both Boyata and Jozo with one of their transfer fees, which would still leave us with one of them as back up.
Get both of them to eff for as much as possible and sign a quality partner for Ajer. That leaves us with Hendry and Compper as back up, Lustig and Bitton if were caught really short.
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overall pretty good but if hes not for signing a new deal afaik his deal is end up of next year so hell def be gone this summer. he was excellent last season, couple bad mistakes but decent business overall, played his part
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wigwam
14 Mar 2018, 06:23 PM
25Nakamura
14 Mar 2018, 03:47 PM
wigwam
14 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM

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Jozo was linked to the likes of Burnley in the summer for around £8-10m. Boyata was linked with Atleti in jan for around £8-10m in Spain. Our job would be to find better than them if we sold them, obviously. I don't think it would be easy to sign a couple of defenders to come in and be better than them.
For clarity, you don't think we could get better than those 2 for 18m pounds? :rubeyes:
We’ve already got a potentially better centre half in Ajer. I only say potentially because he’s not yet a fully established first choice but he’s certainly heading that way. In the modern game, managers want central defenders who can play with ball at their feet. Ajer has proved he can but Boyata can’t and barring a miracle, never will.

Like others, he made good headway under BR but he’s struggled to maintain that progress, though again he’s missed a lot of football, through injury. People claiming he’s the best centre half on our books are merely highlighting how weak we’ve been for some time in that area. You could argue he’s better than Jozo and Erik are/were but that’s not saying much.
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14 Mar 2018, 03:44 PM
Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

How is it obvious that he’s a decent player?
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15 Mar 2018, 02:09 PM
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14 Mar 2018, 03:44 PM
Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

How is it obvious that he’s a decent player?
Does the basics well most of the time, strong in the air, generally composed on the ball against the majority of teams we play, offers a goal threat from corners.

But 'decent' is relative, and doesn't necessarily make him good enough for Celtic. The point of my post, most of which isn't included in your quote, was that the mistakes are too common and too frequent for him to merit remaining an automatic pick - particularly when we have other young centre halves coming through. I'm not holding my breath, but Boyata has shown enough to at least get a chance to redeem himself.
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Country Mac
15 Mar 2018, 04:20 PM
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14 Mar 2018, 03:44 PM
Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

How is it obvious that he’s a decent player?
Does the basics well most of the time, strong in the air, generally composed on the ball against the majority of teams we play, offers a goal threat from corners.

But 'decent' is relative, and doesn't necessarily make him good enough for Celtic. The point of my post, most of which isn't included in your quote, was that the mistakes are too common and too frequent for him to merit remaining an automatic pick - particularly when we have other young centre halves coming through. I'm not holding my breath, but Boyata has shown enough to at least get a chance to redeem himself.
I'd argue that his whole Celtic career bar 3 months last season has been a chance to redeem himself. I would cut my losses but BR seems to rate him, I hope he doesn't sign whatever deal we put to him and he's sold. He probably thinks hes too good to be a back up player and I think everyone agrees he's not good enough to be first choice if we want to push for 3rd in next year's CL group or go further in the EL.
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15 Mar 2018, 02:09 PM
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Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

How is it obvious that he’s a decent player?
tbf he was excellent last season
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amccarten313
15 Mar 2018, 05:54 PM
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15 Mar 2018, 02:09 PM
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14 Mar 2018, 03:44 PM
Obviously a decent player and has had just as many good games as bad ones if not more.

How is it obvious that he’s a decent player?
tbf he was excellent last season
Your definition of 'excellent' and mine are miles apart. :thumbsup:
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15 Mar 2018, 05:59 PM
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15 Mar 2018, 05:54 PM
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tbf he was excellent last season
Your definition of 'excellent' and mine are miles apart. :thumbsup:
might be true but if you look back at this thread around spring of last season you'd find he was being widely praised. as I've said in this thread I think hes overall been pretty good, obviously inconsistent, but to question if hes even "decent" when he was our best CB for a long spell of such a historic season last yr and has generally contributed is a bit over the top. hes clearly decent. doesn't mean ill lose sleep if we move on after this season given his contractual situation and the presence of ajer, Hendry, and bringing in reinforcements
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I think Brendan sees Hendry and Ajer as the eventual centre back pairing.
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To be honest, I just don't believe that either Boyata or Jozo are any of the game's great thinkers.
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15 Mar 2018, 08:44 PM
To be honest, I just don't believe that either Boyata or Jozo are any of the game's great thinkers.
Compper looks an intelligent player.

Him and Ajer May be the future. A guy of his experience guiding the young whipper snapper seems possible. There’s also the possibility of either of Jozo or Boyata improving with Compper alongside them.

Jozo is still a relatively young player whose clearly lost confidence.

The most worrying thing is how brittle both are for CB’s which leads to problems with consistency.

We need to get back to having a settled 3 or 4. Don’t think Boyata or Jozo can be relied on in that regard.
Edited by Kingslim, 15 Mar 2018, 08:56 PM.
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