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| Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo. | |
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| Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,548 Views) | |
| wigwam | 14 Mar 2018, 01:14 PM Post #3901 |
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Older than dirt
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Only because he doesn't play every week.
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| damosuzuki | 14 Mar 2018, 01:16 PM Post #3902 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Large number of Boyatas forward completions put the recieving player under pressure due to the pace of the pass or the lack of vision (straight at the Celtic player). I've supported Boyata, but no one can tell me he isnt a very poor passer of the ball. He tends to play the simple ball because he's liable to eff it up if he tries to be clever. His distribution is on a par with Pogba (last night )
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| Dempele | 14 Mar 2018, 01:22 PM Post #3903 |
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First-team captain
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He's lucky that domestically at least, his slackness usually goes unpunished. There's a mistake in him all the time. His pace, strength and recovery are good and he's quite strong in the air but not sure the positives outweigh the negatives. Would be reluctant to renew contract. Regarding the comparisons with Ambrose, both had poor concentration and it seemed every time big efe made a mistake it would be punished. In short i think we need better. |
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| Dempele | 14 Mar 2018, 01:23 PM Post #3904 |
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Agree. Just cause it hits it's target doesn't mean it's a good pass. |
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| dannyclyro | 14 Mar 2018, 01:27 PM Post #3905 |
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Like you can smell the psychosphere
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You've seen the video where he gets caught on the ball under no pressure, on the half way line, which leads to the opponent breaking up the park and being awarded a penalty. Did you see the first huns goal at the weekend? Carbon copy, no pressure, caught on the ball on the half way line; opponent breaks and scores. Making mistakes is fine if you learn from them, but he doesn't. Nobody is arguing about validity of the pen (despite you trying to say that I was, in another thread). The point is a better player doesn't make that mistake, so the position where the ref can give the PK doesn't materialise. |
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| allthewine | 14 Mar 2018, 01:32 PM Post #3906 |
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Club Captain
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He was under pressure from Windass. He should have either played it back to Bain or fired it into the stands. I have said he was horrific on Sunday. I will admit when he has a poor game. His detractors won't give him credit when he plays well. Better players give away possession all the time. As I said he recovered his initial mistake. |
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| Forza | 14 Mar 2018, 01:39 PM Post #3907 |
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Considering retirement
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Yes, claiming Boyata has a good pass completion rate is not really proof of anything other than he has made a lot of safe, short, sideways and backwards passes. Not unlike a lot of our other defenders, and even Brown. It is far easier for a central defender to knock up a 90% plus pass rate than somebody like Tom Rogic or Forrest. It is just a function of their different roles in the team. That said, errors from Boyata (or Gordon etc) are more likely to lead to something more glaringly dangerous and damaging. At that point, it becomes about the frequency of them. I'd much rather he had a poorer pass completion rate on Sunday by virtue of him launching that ball into the Govan Front, rather than the attempted pass he tried to play. It is more instructive to look at the copious amounts of game analysis where better coached teams clearly press the rest of our players and intentionally leave him with the ball. That happens for a reason, and it is nothing to do with him being a good passer of the ball, because it would clearly be counter productive. It is because he is seen as our weakest link when we have the ball, something that has been proved a number of times over three seasons. |
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| dannyclyro | 14 Mar 2018, 01:40 PM Post #3908 |
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Like you can smell the psychosphere
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Under pressure is when you have to make a decision in a split second; Boyata could see that ball coming and had a good 3 seconds, before he had to do something, which is an eternity in football. He doesn't learn. |
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| Flawless | 14 Mar 2018, 01:42 PM Post #3909 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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I can't see anyone being upset when he effs off in the summer. He's weak. |
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| Novelty_Bauble | 14 Mar 2018, 01:44 PM Post #3910 |
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Considering retirement
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Morelos will be. He's got him on toast. |
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| allthewine | 14 Mar 2018, 01:46 PM Post #3911 |
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Club Captain
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I have agreed with you regarding Europe. I think we could find a better defender at that level. Agree to disagree on the spfl. I have no doubt we will be back in here arguing over Boyata before the seasons end. |
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| wigwam | 14 Mar 2018, 02:00 PM Post #3912 |
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Older than dirt
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allthewine will be greeting his face off by the look of it.
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| dannyclyro | 14 Mar 2018, 02:14 PM Post #3913 |
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Like you can smell the psychosphere
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I really hope we're not.
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| allthewine | 14 Mar 2018, 02:53 PM Post #3914 |
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Ha ha, fair point
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| Arsene Parcelie | 14 Mar 2018, 03:00 PM Post #3915 |
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¡ǝʞɐxnɟɹnɟ ɥo
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He's better than Rogne, but on par with Loovens, worse than Caldwell and McManus, on par with Majstorovic, better than Du Wei and Virgo. |
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| Ste | 14 Mar 2018, 03:02 PM Post #3916 |
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The Eagle Has Landed
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Our best center half who often looks like our worst center half. |
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| 25Nakamura | 14 Mar 2018, 03:10 PM Post #3917 |
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Occasional Substitute
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I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two. |
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| wigwam | 14 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM Post #3918 |
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Older than dirt
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Can I see your working on that? What are you using for price comparisons?
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| Espanol | 14 Mar 2018, 03:33 PM Post #3919 |
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First team training
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can do much better than him! punt! |
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| Father John Misty | 14 Mar 2018, 03:34 PM Post #3920 |
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First-team starter
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Sviatchenko played 18 games under Delia. Yeah, Boyata has basically had one good spell in 3 years, during which he really looked the part but he's a bomb scare atm and nowhere near worth a new deal. We should be punting him and Jozo. RB, 2 CB'S and cover for Tierney needed in the summer. |
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What are you using for price comparisons?
9:19 AM Jul 11