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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,548 Views)
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14 Mar 2018, 12:22 PM
There is not a footballer at any level who doesn't make mistakes. Boyata's are few and far between.
Hibs
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Huns

All this season, all cost us a goal.
Hibs? He recovered and made an excellent challenge. The hun ref gave a penalty. So, not having that one.

Munich yep and Sevco. He should never have started on Sunday and he has been solid against them in every other game he has played. Semi-final apart.

The way people are talking though he makes mistakes every week that lead to goals.
Only because he doesn't play every week. :lol:
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He’s really not. Even when the guy is the absolute stand out player on the park (Hearts at home for example), folk still don’t give him credit for it. He’s our best centre back who was put in a really bad position yesterday and in turn had a stinker.
Agreed.

He is seen as a poor passer when his completion rate is excellent.

Large number of Boyatas forward completions put the recieving player under pressure due to the pace of the pass or the lack of vision (straight at the Celtic player). I've supported Boyata, but no one can tell me he isnt a very poor passer of the ball. He tends to play the simple ball because he's liable to eff it up if he tries to be clever.


His distribution is on a par with Pogba (last night :lol: )
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He's lucky that domestically at least, his slackness usually goes unpunished. There's a mistake in him all the time. His pace, strength and recovery are good and he's quite strong in the air but not sure the positives outweigh the negatives. Would be reluctant to renew contract.

Regarding the comparisons with Ambrose, both had poor concentration and it seemed every time big efe made a mistake it would be punished.

In short i think we need better.
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Agreed.

He is seen as a poor passer when his completion rate is excellent.

Large number of Boyatas forward completions put the recieving player under pressure due to the pace of the pass or the lack of vision (straight at the Celtic player). I've supported Boyata, but no one can tell me he isnt a very poor passer of the ball. He tends to play the simple ball because he's liable to eff it up if he tries to be clever.


His distribution is on a par with Pogba (last night :lol: )
Agree. Just cause it hits it's target doesn't mean it's a good pass.
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14 Mar 2018, 12:55 PM

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I've put a link to the video where he clearly, completely, effs it up and is bailed out by Bitton. Just because the ref then makes an arse of the PK call doesn't change the fact Boyata made the glaring error that put us in that position in the first place. The PK call is nonsense, of course it is; but we're only there because he made such a mess of controlling the ball in the first place.

Nobody said he makes them every week; you've pulled that one out of your arse.
I saw your video. You came running on here when this happened for an embarrassing I told you so moment.

Boyata gave the ball away on the half way line and then recovered. The ref gave a pen that never was. So to blame him from that goal is ludicrous.
You've seen the video where he gets caught on the ball under no pressure, on the half way line, which leads to the opponent breaking up the park and being awarded a penalty. Did you see the first huns goal at the weekend? Carbon copy, no pressure, caught on the ball on the half way line; opponent breaks and scores.

Making mistakes is fine if you learn from them, but he doesn't.

Nobody is arguing about validity of the pen (despite you trying to say that I was, in another thread). The point is a better player doesn't make that mistake, so the position where the ref can give the PK doesn't materialise.
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I saw your video. You came running on here when this happened for an embarrassing I told you so moment.

Boyata gave the ball away on the half way line and then recovered. The ref gave a pen that never was. So to blame him from that goal is ludicrous.
You've seen the video where he gets caught on the ball under no pressure, on the half way line, which leads to the opponent breaking up the park and being awarded a penalty. Did you see the first huns goal at the weekend? Carbon copy, no pressure, caught on the ball on the half way line; opponent breaks and scores.

Making mistakes is fine if you learn from them, but he doesn't.

Nobody is arguing about validity of the pen (despite you trying to say that I was, in another thread). The point is a better player doesn't make that mistake, so the position where the ref can give the PK doesn't materialise.
He was under pressure from Windass. He should have either played it back to Bain or fired it into the stands.

I have said he was horrific on Sunday. I will admit when he has a poor game. His detractors won't give him credit when he plays well.

Better players give away possession all the time. As I said he recovered his initial mistake.

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12 Mar 2018, 06:09 PM

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Agreed.

He is seen as a poor passer when his completion rate is excellent.

Large number of Boyatas forward completions put the recieving player under pressure due to the pace of the pass or the lack of vision (straight at the Celtic player). I've supported Boyata, but no one can tell me he isnt a very poor passer of the ball. He tends to play the simple ball because he's liable to eff it up if he tries to be clever.


His distribution is on a par with Pogba (last night :lol: )
Yes, claiming Boyata has a good pass completion rate is not really proof of anything other than he has made a lot of safe, short, sideways and backwards passes. Not unlike a lot of our other defenders, and even Brown. It is far easier for a central defender to knock up a 90% plus pass rate than somebody like Tom Rogic or Forrest. It is just a function of their different roles in the team. That said, errors from Boyata (or Gordon etc) are more likely to lead to something more glaringly dangerous and damaging. At that point, it becomes about the frequency of them.

I'd much rather he had a poorer pass completion rate on Sunday by virtue of him launching that ball into the Govan Front, rather than the attempted pass he tried to play.

It is more instructive to look at the copious amounts of game analysis where better coached teams clearly press the rest of our players and intentionally leave him with the ball. That happens for a reason, and it is nothing to do with him being a good passer of the ball, because it would clearly be counter productive.

It is because he is seen as our weakest link when we have the ball, something that has been proved a number of times over three seasons.
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14 Mar 2018, 01:32 PM
He was under pressure from Windass.
Under pressure is when you have to make a decision in a split second; Boyata could see that ball coming and had a good 3 seconds, before he had to do something, which is an eternity in football.

He doesn't learn.
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I can't see anyone being upset when he effs off in the summer. He's weak.

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I can't see anyone being upset when he effs off in the summer. He's weak.

Morelos will be. He's got him on toast.
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He was under pressure from Windass.
Under pressure is when you have to make a decision in a split second; Boyata could see that ball coming and had a good 3 seconds, before he had to do something, which is an eternity in football.

He doesn't learn.
I have agreed with you regarding Europe. I think we could find a better defender at that level. Agree to disagree on the spfl. I have no doubt we will be back in here arguing over Boyata before the seasons end.
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I can't see anyone being upset when he effs off in the summer. He's weak.

allthewine will be greeting his face off by the look of it. :lol:
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He was under pressure from Windass.
Under pressure is when you have to make a decision in a split second; Boyata could see that ball coming and had a good 3 seconds, before he had to do something, which is an eternity in football.

He doesn't learn.
I have agreed with you regarding Europe. I think we could find a better defender at that level. Agree to disagree on the spfl. I have no doubt we will be back in here arguing over Boyata before the seasons end.
I really hope we're not. :thumbsup:
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I have agreed with you regarding Europe. I think we could find a better defender at that level. Agree to disagree on the spfl. I have no doubt we will be back in here arguing over Boyata before the seasons end.
I really hope we're not. :thumbsup:
Ha ha, fair point :)
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He's better than Rogne, but on par with Loovens, worse than Caldwell and McManus, on par with Majstorovic, better than Du Wei and Virgo.
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Our best center half who often looks like our worst center half.
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I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two.
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I don't think we will find it easy to find better. He has concentration similar to Ambrose, but he is a better player than Ambrose. His ability wouldn't be my biggest issue, but actually like Jozo, his fitness. When they are both fully fit, they are decent players. It'll cost a fair penny to find better than those two.
Can I see your working on that? :ponder: What are you using for price comparisons?
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can do much better than him! punt!
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Sviatchenko was one of our most consistent performers for a whole season under Deila but struggled when Rodgers changed the style of play and people were desperate for him to be sold and we've rightfully shipped him out.

Boyata had a purple patch in the second half of last season but apart from that has been fair to awful for us so I'm not sure why he's being defended so much. He's 27 now so we shouldn't be talking about potential anymore. He's great on his day but nowhere near reliable enough unfortunately. We need better than him and Jozo if we're going to improve as a team.
Sviatchenko played 18 games under Delia.

Yeah, Boyata has basically had one good spell in 3 years, during which he really looked the part but he's a bomb scare atm and nowhere near worth a new deal. We should be punting him and Jozo. RB, 2 CB'S and cover for Tierney needed in the summer.
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