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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
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Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,552 Views)
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12 Mar 2018, 04:20 PM
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He's one of Brendan's favourites but that's got to be it for him. It was a risk when he wasn't fit but he looked like he was towing a fking caravan when he got turned at one stage. Who knows though, as he regains fitness I wouldn't be surprised if Brendan stuck with him.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:25 PM
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Tired after three minutes? His mistake at the first was the result of poor decision making.
Yeah, if you've not played for weeks. You tend to take a while to get your second wind. The start of the game is brutal. That said - agreed, that wasn't the reason for his early mistake but it did explain why he was so poor yesterday throughout. The manager took the gamble and it backfired. Boyata is taking the brunt of that decision. He's a professional athlete who has been training for weeks and played in a bounce game last week. While he lacked match sharpness there is no way his mistake was down to physical or mental tiredness three minutes in.
We know what he was attempting to do but in that situation, with the hun player so close to him, it just wasn't on. He had time to play it back to the keeper or even fire it into the stand.
Agree it was a gamble to play him. I said as much in the match thread. Fortunately we got away with it in the end. That said, he needs to start learning from his mistakes. He frequently gives the ball away when he's under no real pressure. Simunovic is just as bad to be fair.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:25 PM
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Tired after three minutes? His mistake at the first was the result of poor decision making.
Yeah, if you've not played for weeks. You tend to take a while to get your second wind. The start of the game is brutal. That said - agreed, that wasn't the reason for his early mistake but it did explain why he was so poor yesterday throughout. The manager took the gamble and it backfired. Boyata is taking the brunt of that decision. Boyata is taking the brunt of it purely because he could not do anything competently with the ball. Far from the first time either. He's done this many times when he has had plenty of consecutive games under his belt. Let's not make out this is a one off.
The ball could have been smashed headlong into a Zombie in the Govan Front, or been hoofed up to roof level to test the rumoured stadium defects. He could have even cleaned Windass out with it.
What he did decide to do was completely unacceptable in the third minute of a game like that. It happens far too often with him.
Not content with that, he then does a preposterous, weak jump interception in front of Morelos, only to completely miss the ball and give them a clear cut chance.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:28 PM
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Yeah, if you've not played for weeks. You tend to take a while to get your second wind. The start of the game is brutal. That said - agreed, that wasn't the reason for his early mistake but it did explain why he was so poor yesterday throughout. The manager took the gamble and it backfired. Boyata is taking the brunt of that decision.
He's a professional athlete who has been training for weeks and played in a bounce game last week. While he lacked match sharpness there is no way his mistake was down to physical or mental tiredness three minutes in. We know what he was attempting to do but in that situation, with the hun player so close to him, it just wasn't on. He had time to play it back to the keeper or even fire it into the stand. Agree it was a gamble to play him. I said as much in the match thread. Fortunately we got away with it in the end. That said, he needs to start learning from his mistakes. He frequently gives the ball away when he's under no real pressure. Simunovic is just as bad to be fair. Agreed. I did say the early mistake wasn't down to a lack of fitness but his overall performance was clearly down to that.
He looked like a guy who hadn't played for 6 weeks yesterday.
It's equally unfair for people to look at his performance yesterday without accepting there are mitigating circumstances which plenty of supporters don't want to acknowledge.
He looked tired and rusty from the first whistle.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:31 PM
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Yeah, if you've not played for weeks. You tend to take a while to get your second wind. The start of the game is brutal. That said - agreed, that wasn't the reason for his early mistake but it did explain why he was so poor yesterday throughout. The manager took the gamble and it backfired. Boyata is taking the brunt of that decision.
Boyata is taking the brunt of it purely because he could not do anything competently with the ball. Far from the first time either. He's done this many times when he has had plenty of consecutive games under his belt. Let's not make out this is a one off. The ball could have been smashed headlong into a Zombie in the Govan Front, or been hoofed up to roof level to test the rumoured stadium defects. He could have even cleaned Windass out with it. What he did decide to do was completely unacceptable in the third minute of a game like that. It happens far too often with him. Not content with that, he then does a preposterous, weak jump interception in front of Morelos, only to completely miss the ball and give them a clear cut chance. If he'd cleaned out Windass we'd have been down to 10 after 3 mins 
He should have dealt with the first mistake and had the time to do so - nobody will deny that.
The rest of his performance was down to lack of fitness - he was blowing out his arse which leads to making wrong decisions.
if Brendan had named Compper on the bench he would have been off at HT. We only had Hendry and he clearly didn't want to throw him into a game like that - until he was forced by Jozo
Boyata was terrible yesterday - but it was very unfair for him to be put in that position.
You only have to look at the reaction on here to see it.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:32 PM
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He's a professional athlete who has been training for weeks and played in a bounce game last week. While he lacked match sharpness there is no way his mistake was down to physical or mental tiredness three minutes in. We know what he was attempting to do but in that situation, with the hun player so close to him, it just wasn't on. He had time to play it back to the keeper or even fire it into the stand. Agree it was a gamble to play him. I said as much in the match thread. Fortunately we got away with it in the end. That said, he needs to start learning from his mistakes. He frequently gives the ball away when he's under no real pressure. Simunovic is just as bad to be fair.
Agreed. I did say the early mistake wasn't down to a lack of fitness but his overall performance was clearly down to that. He looked like a guy who hadn't played for 6 weeks yesterday. It's equally unfair for people to look at his performance yesterday without accepting there are mitigating circumstances which plenty of supporters don't want to acknowledge. He looked tired and rusty from the first whistle. He did KS & I take your point but his general play even at the best of times never entirely fills me with confidence.
He is to erratic and granted last season for most part he seemed to have ironed out his mistakes which we all knew he had from previuos season(s) but literally 4/5 BIG mistakes yesterday is more than rustiness for me. Thank fook Morales is pish.
I just dont feel entirely comfortable watching him in our centre of defence even at the best of times. Dont like to give an y of our players a hard time but I just dont think he is very good.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:33 PM
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He's a professional athlete who has been training for weeks and played in a bounce game last week. While he lacked match sharpness there is no way his mistake was down to physical or mental tiredness three minutes in. We know what he was attempting to do but in that situation, with the hun player so close to him, it just wasn't on. He had time to play it back to the keeper or even fire it into the stand. Agree it was a gamble to play him. I said as much in the match thread. Fortunately we got away with it in the end. That said, he needs to start learning from his mistakes. He frequently gives the ball away when he's under no real pressure. Simunovic is just as bad to be fair.
Agreed. I did say the early mistake wasn't down to a lack of fitness but his overall performance was clearly down to that. He looked like a guy who hadn't played for 6 weeks yesterday. It's equally unfair for people to look at his performance yesterday without accepting there are mitigating circumstances which plenty of supporters don't want to acknowledge. He looked tired and rusty from the first whistle. Aye. That was the risk. We knew he'd struggle as the game went on.
I think the fact that's he's got previous, when fully fit, is the reason why a lot of folk aren't being too sympathetic about it.
Anyway. eff it. We beat the carrots in the end.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:41 PM
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Boyata is taking the brunt of it purely because he could not do anything competently with the ball. Far from the first time either. He's done this many times when he has had plenty of consecutive games under his belt. Let's not make out this is a one off. The ball could have been smashed headlong into a Zombie in the Govan Front, or been hoofed up to roof level to test the rumoured stadium defects. He could have even cleaned Windass out with it. What he did decide to do was completely unacceptable in the third minute of a game like that. It happens far too often with him. Not content with that, he then does a preposterous, weak jump interception in front of Morelos, only to completely miss the ball and give them a clear cut chance.
If he'd cleaned out Windass we'd have been down to 10 after 3 mins  He should have dealt with the first mistake and had the time to do so - nobody will deny that. The rest of his performance was down to lack of fitness - he was blowing out his arse which leads to making wrong decisions. if Brendan had named Compper on the bench he would have been off at HT. We only had Hendry and he clearly didn't want to throw him into a game like that - until he was forced by Jozo Boyata was terrible yesterday - but it was very unfair for him to be put in that position. You only have to look at the reaction on here to see it. He could have cleaned him out by smashing the ball off his coupon and getting a throw. Sent off for that? Nope.
He was weak. He could have done almost anything other than what he ends up doing and the result would have been different. That's not the result of mental or physical fatigue. It's just rank bad decision making and thinking more of your actual ability level than is realistic, something he does a fair bit.
Bain had not played since October. It was unfair on him too. He dealt with it ok and he has much less experience than Boyata. There are numerous examples of players being brought back in to play in a big game after a month or two out. Far from everyone ends up like Boyata yesterday.
There is a pattern. It cannot continue, but if it does, then expect many more defensive off days. He's not the only one by any means, but he simply won't do, which is what makes his contractual situation all the more bizarre.
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12 Mar 2018, 04:42 PM
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If he'd cleaned out Windass we'd have been down to 10 after 3 mins  He should have dealt with the first mistake and had the time to do so - nobody will deny that. The rest of his performance was down to lack of fitness - he was blowing out his arse which leads to making wrong decisions. if Brendan had named Compper on the bench he would have been off at HT. We only had Hendry and he clearly didn't want to throw him into a game like that - until he was forced by Jozo Boyata was terrible yesterday - but it was very unfair for him to be put in that position. You only have to look at the reaction on here to see it.
He could have cleaned him out by smashing the ball off his coupon and getting a throw. Sent off for that? Nope. He was weak. He could have done almost anything other than what he ends up doing and the result would have been different. That's not the result of mental or physical fatigue. It's just rank bad decision making and thinking more of your actual ability level than is realistic, something he does a fair bit. Bain had not played since October. It was unfair on him too. He dealt with it ok and he has much less experience than Boyata. There are numerous examples of players being brought back in to play in a big game after a month or two out. Far from everyone ends up like Boyata yesterday. There is a pattern. It cannot continue, but if it does, then expect many more defensive off days. He's not the only one by any means, but he simply won't do, which is what makes his contractual situation all the more bizarre. It beggars that most of us concede defensive has been ropey all year ...WTF is Toure and Kennedy doing in training with them?
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12 Mar 2018, 04:47 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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When he's good he's very good. When he's bad he's I really wouldn't know what to do with him.
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12 Mar 2018, 05:19 PM
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We are watching a different player... I have conceded he played well last year but Ive never been 100% with him. He lacks concentration and always (to me at least) seems to have a mistake in him. He nearly shipped 3/4 goals yesterdya nd if a better striker for them then would have been punished. Passing, concentration and at time control seems to be erratic every few games. He is not good enough.
He had a poor 15 mins or whatever it was v Sevco in the cup semi final. Up until yesterday every game he played v them, he was solid and rarely put a foot wrong. Said it before but at this level Boyata is a very good defender. The 1-1 game at Parkhead he just about sold a goal with a mistake not to dissimilar to the one he made yesterday.
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12 Mar 2018, 05:30 PM
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He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.
Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.
He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.
We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
He has rarely let us down v Sevco. Yesterday was a horrific performance but when he on form, Boyata is our best center back and Brendan knows it.
Who cares if he has rarely let us down v Sevco? What the eff does that matter? He did yesterday. More than once. They are about the eight or ninth best team team we will face in any given season. Last season, they were not even the best team we faced in Scotland, and there is still a decent chance it will be the case again this season. Quite a low bar you are setting. He has regularly let us down in many other games and yesterday he alone put us in a hole after less than 3 mins played. Then he would have put us in another hole with his utterly absurd attempt to nip in ahead of Morelos in the second half. Luckily "he never let us down" there because Morelos is utter, utter pish. And that's the point. Better players and teams simply crucify such schoolboy mistakes. Nobody is suggesting Simunovic, Hendry, Ajer or the rest are the new Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini. Boyata has consistently made more mistakes than any of them. It simply cannot continue. It matters because I was talking about yesterday's game and domestic football. I have conceded he was horrific for the majority of the 90 mins.
As for him regularly letting us down it is a bit of a myth in my opinion.
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12 Mar 2018, 05:33 PM
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Who cares if he has rarely let us down v Sevco? What the eff does that matter? He did yesterday. More than once. They are about the eight or ninth best team team we will face in any given season. Last season, they were not even the best team we faced in Scotland, and there is still a decent chance it will be the case again this season. Quite a low bar you are setting. He has regularly let us down in many other games and yesterday he alone put us in a hole after less than 3 mins played. Then he would have put us in another hole with his utterly absurd attempt to nip in ahead of Morelos in the second half. Luckily "he never let us down" there because Morelos is utter, utter pish. And that's the point. Better players and teams simply crucify such schoolboy mistakes. Nobody is suggesting Simunovic, Hendry, Ajer or the rest are the new Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini. Boyata has consistently made more mistakes than any of them. It simply cannot continue.
It matters because I was talking about yesterday's game and domestic football. I have conceded he was horrific for the majority of the 90 mins. As for him regularly letting us down it is a bit of a myth in my opinion. I think he's had a shaky season.
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12 Mar 2018, 05:37 PM
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This thread is a mirror image of the caldwell and efe threads over the years. He's far too unreliable. I'd rather see hendry and ajer get game time.
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He seemed to always end up left side of a back 3 or left CB in a 4 depending on Tierney's positioning on Sunday in first half. Mistakes aside we are always asking for it with him in that position as he's compensating for lack of co-ordination with his left peg......can't believe i'm saying that about a guy who plays football for a living......Does he always play on that side of the back 4 or was it just turn of events which led to him being there?
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I expected him to be rusty and I said pre match I'd be happy if he was playing given they had a full week of training but that was a fecking nightmare from him yesterday.
At least Efe kept it to the one howler per match.
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He had a poor 15 mins or whatever it was v Sevco in the cup semi final. Up until yesterday every game he played v them, he was solid and rarely put a foot wrong. Said it before but at this level Boyata is a very good defender.
The 1-1 game at Parkhead he just about sold a goal with a mistake not to dissimilar to the one he made yesterday. I think you're getting him mixed up with Lustig?
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12 Mar 2018, 05:44 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Both him and Jozo make too many unforced errors for my liking. I think I would probably be looking to move both of them on.
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The 1-1 game at Parkhead he just about sold a goal with a mistake not to dissimilar to the one he made yesterday.
I think you're getting him mixed up with Lustig? Is he talking about the one waghorn missed?
If so I think it was him.
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Both him and Jozo make too many unforced errors for my liking. I think I would probably be looking to move both of them on. Aye. Upgrades required in the defensive areas. Least one cb and a rb.
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