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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,553 Views)
The Poacher
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Not match fit, not match ready. V unfair on him.

Id keep him over Jozo - they both havent reached their potential, unlucky with injuries but maybe there is a question over whether they want to be here? All I know is Boyata needed to kick on from the away game to Anderlecht - his best performance for us. He hasnt been consistent though, but I cant find myself being too harsh on the guy after yesterdays horror show.

Our entire backline (bar Tierney) was as bad as Ive seen in some time. Punchdrunk - yes: loads of games, loads of injuries and changes, but we are so shaky its unreal. *If* Kennedy is the defensive coach then is he up to snuff?
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You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
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Seems to be Brendan's chosen one. Always in when fit. He is really poor though. The mistakes are telling and oppositions teams now target him as they know he is mentally fragile.

Yesterday took me back to the Semi final 2 years ago when he was subbed. He was that poor again.

Its time to move him on and focus on Ajer and Hendry who are younger and hopefully coachable.
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He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
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Forza
12 Mar 2018, 12:15 PM
He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
This.

He is error prone and gives you the fear on occasion every few games with his passing and control...granted he had a decent season( 6 months) last but surely last game for the club yesterday?
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Boyata and Simunovic really struggle with Morelos. His movement and strength has them beat.

Luckily the boy can't finish.
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Forza
12 Mar 2018, 12:15 PM
He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
He has rarely let us down v Sevco. Yesterday was a horrific performance but when he on form, Boyata is our best center back and Brendan knows it.
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12 Mar 2018, 12:31 PM
Forza
12 Mar 2018, 12:15 PM
He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
He has rarely let us down v Sevco. Yesterday was a horrific performance but when he on form, Boyata is our best center back and Brendan knows it.
We are watching a different player...


I have conceded he played well last year but Ive never been 100% with him. He lacks concentration and always (to me at least) seems to have a mistake in him. He nearly shipped 3/4 goals yesterdya nd if a better striker for them then would have been punished.

Passing, concentration and at time control seems to be erratic every few games.

He is not good enough.



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Between him and Jozo yesterday, who could eff up most. Can't wait to the window is open now, the position needs addressed, if we are wanting to progress.

I understand he isn't match sharp but his mistakes yesterday were schoolboy stuff.
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He shouldn't be getting a new improved contract. Mistakes yesterday were nothing to do with match fitness.

We need to sign better.
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He's had 6 good months in almost 3 years.

I'd happily never see him in a Celtic shirt again. He's hopeless.
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Woeful. At fault for two goals and almost two more, at least.
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12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
You absolutely can blame it on match fitness/sharpness.

His reactions and touch were off, way off.
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littlegmbhoy
12 Mar 2018, 12:37 PM
allthewine
12 Mar 2018, 12:31 PM
Forza
12 Mar 2018, 12:15 PM
He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
He has rarely let us down v Sevco. Yesterday was a horrific performance but when he on form, Boyata is our best center back and Brendan knows it.
We are watching a different player...


I have conceded he played well last year but Ive never been 100% with him. He lacks concentration and always (to me at least) seems to have a mistake in him. He nearly shipped 3/4 goals yesterdya nd if a better striker for them then would have been punished.

Passing, concentration and at time control seems to be erratic every few games.

He is not good enough.



He had a poor 15 mins or whatever it was v Sevco in the cup semi final.

Up until yesterday every game he played v them, he was solid and rarely put a foot wrong.

Said it before but at this level Boyata is a very good defender.
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12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
You can - when you're tired , you make mistakes mentally, as well as physically.
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allthewine
12 Mar 2018, 03:51 PM
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12 Mar 2018, 12:37 PM
allthewine
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We are watching a different player...


I have conceded he played well last year but Ive never been 100% with him. He lacks concentration and always (to me at least) seems to have a mistake in him. He nearly shipped 3/4 goals yesterdya nd if a better striker for them then would have been punished.

Passing, concentration and at time control seems to be erratic every few games.

He is not good enough.



He had a poor 15 mins or whatever it was v Sevco in the cup semi final.

Up until yesterday every game he played v them, he was solid and rarely put a foot wrong.

Said it before but at this level Boyata is a very good defender.
Nah not into that at all...good 6 months in 3 years.

Not good enough for us.

Game yesterday was Tebilyesque...never a good sign for a defender.
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allthewine
12 Mar 2018, 12:31 PM
Forza
12 Mar 2018, 12:15 PM
He gets extended a lot of slack. He has routinely made errors like this throughout his Celtic career. They have cost us and will continue to.

Sometimes you just have to wake up and realise the guy is error prone and it will never be any different.

He has many of the attributes you would want as a central defender. Pace, power, ability to attack the ball in the air that makes him a set piece threat, and ability to dominate centre forwards. Unfortunately there is an enormous deficiency with him as a defender with the ball at his feet and his poor concentration level means he is always a threat to us keeping the door shut.

We all hear the developments about his contractual situation. I've no doubt he thinks he can get a getter deal elsewhere. Incredibly, I've also no doubt he probably will get one. Nobody should lose any sleep over that. He's been consistently not good enough since the beginning.
He has rarely let us down v Sevco. Yesterday was a horrific performance but when he on form, Boyata is our best center back and Brendan knows it.
Who cares if he has rarely let us down v Sevco? What the eff does that matter? He did yesterday. More than once.

They are about the eight or ninth best team team we will face in any given season. Last season, they were not even the best team we faced in Scotland, and there is still a decent chance it will be the case again this season. Quite a low bar you are setting.

He has regularly let us down in many other games and yesterday he alone put us in a hole after less than 3 mins played. Then he would have put us in another hole with his utterly absurd attempt to nip in ahead of Morelos in the second half. Luckily "he never let us down" there because Morelos is utter, utter pish. And that's the point. Better players and teams simply crucify such schoolboy mistakes.

Nobody is suggesting Simunovic, Hendry, Ajer or the rest are the new Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini.

Boyata has consistently made more mistakes than any of them. It simply cannot continue.
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12 Mar 2018, 03:54 PM
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12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
You can - when you're tired , you make mistakes mentally, as well as physically.
Tired after three minutes? His mistake at the first was the result of poor decision making.

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12 Mar 2018, 03:58 PM
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12 Mar 2018, 03:54 PM
Greenock_Celt
12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
You can - when you're tired , you make mistakes mentally, as well as physically.
Tired after three minutes? His mistake at the first was the result of poor decision making.

It was poor execution of a questionable decision but the reality is he's done those cute moves plenty of times in the past and they've worked well enough.
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Novelty_Bauble
12 Mar 2018, 03:58 PM
Kingslim
12 Mar 2018, 03:54 PM
Greenock_Celt
12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
You can't blame a lack of match fitness for the mistake for their first goal, or the attempt at kicking the ball only to miss it and let the 10 million YEN man through for his shot straight at Bain.

He is prone to that kind of performance even with a run of games under him.
You can - when you're tired , you make mistakes mentally, as well as physically.
Tired after three minutes? His mistake at the first was the result of poor decision making.

Yeah, if you've not played for weeks. You tend to take a while to get your second wind. The start of the game is brutal.

That said - agreed, that wasn't the reason for his early mistake but it did explain why he was so poor yesterday throughout.

The manager took the gamble and it backfired. Boyata is taking the brunt of that decision.

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