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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,567 Views)
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My post wasn't that critical of Boyata, more so people who rely solely on pass completion stats :lol:
No is relying solely on pass completion rates :lol:

At least, I am not. It is a complete myth that Boyata is a poor passer of the ball.
:rubeyes: :lol: you are having a laugh. It is no myth. No other Celtic player misplaces more passes when not under pressure. The stats are largely meaningless given that our play involves a lot of passing across the back four. Lots of easy short passes that raise the accuracy percentage. I think Boysta can defend better than most centre halves we have had and showed that at times today. However, the number of times he gives it away when passing forwards, and not even particularly difficult passes is off the scale.

My earlier post suggested he may be the worst passer of a ball we have had. I defy you to name others who are / were worse.
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Scapegoat Boyata. He's in the team ahead of jozo because jozo made am arse of it in Edinburgh. I like dedryck so slag someone else.
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One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
That's why i don't really look at percentage of passes. You can play a bad pass and it still goes down as completed.
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No is relying solely on pass completion rates :lol:

At least, I am not. It is a complete myth that Boyata is a poor passer of the ball.
:rubeyes: :lol: you are having a laugh. It is no myth. No other Celtic player misplaces more passes when not under pressure. The stats are largely meaningless given that our play involves a lot of passing across the back four. Lots of easy short passes that raise the accuracy percentage. I think Boysta can defend better than most centre halves we have had and showed that at times today. However, the number of times he gives it away when passing forwards, and not even particularly difficult passes is off the scale.

My earlier post suggested he may be the worst passer of a ball we have had. I defy you to name others who are / were worse.
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One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
That's why i don't really look at percentage of passes. You can play a bad pass and it still goes down as completed.
I get your point that pass completion stats can be misleading, but I do not buy the argument (maybe not yours) that Boyata makes mostly short crossfield passes to fellow defenders. I know what I see and i frequently see him carrying the ball forward and making accurate mid range passes to the midfield and forwards. Why people are ignoring this fact is quite puzzling..
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One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
That's why i don't really look at percentage of passes. You can play a bad pass and it still goes down as completed.
I get your point that pass completion stats can be misleading, but I do not buy the argument (maybe not yours) that Boyata makes mostly short crossfield passes to fellow defenders. I know what I see and i frequently see him carrying the ball forward and making accurate mid range passes to the midfield and forwards. Why people are ignoring this fact is quite puzzling..
Maybe because of the number of such passes that he misplaces, gifting possession. He makes lots of passes. He finds teammates lots if the time. But too often he gives it away. Was bad for it under Deila. Seemed to sort it out last year. This year the problem gas returned with a vengeance.
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I get your point that pass completion stats can be misleading, but I do not buy the argument (maybe not yours) that Boyata makes mostly short crossfield passes to fellow defenders. I know what I see and i frequently see him carrying the ball forward and making accurate mid range passes to the midfield and forwards. Why people are ignoring this fact is quite puzzling..
Maybe because of the number of such passes that he misplaces, gifting possession. He makes lots of passes. He finds teammates lots if the time. But too often he gives it away. Was bad for it under Deila. Seemed to sort it out last year. This year the problem gas returned with a vengeance.
Huge issue is that, when he gives it away its usually in a very dangerous area when the team is vulnerable. I do think in general our centre backs and keeper over play in bad areas but its what they are told and set up to do I believe.
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I get your point that pass completion stats can be misleading, but I do not buy the argument (maybe not yours) that Boyata makes mostly short crossfield passes to fellow defenders. I know what I see and i frequently see him carrying the ball forward and making accurate mid range passes to the midfield and forwards. Why people are ignoring this fact is quite puzzling..
Maybe because of the number of such passes that he misplaces, gifting possession. He makes lots of passes. He finds teammates lots if the time. But too often he gives it away. Was bad for it under Deila. Seemed to sort it out last year. This year the problem gas returned with a vengeance.
Think his game has deteriorated sharply enough since his part with Gordon in Kingsley Coman’s goal at Celtic Park. He’s looked shaky at times in his basic defensive duties and his passing / bringing the ball out from the back has been very dodgy - Hibs in the League Cup semi, gave it away repeatedly against Anderlecht in the first half, the first goal at Tynecastle. There was a little spell after half time yesterday where we were having a quiet/flat spell and he gave it away via two careless passes in succession. We’re also giving up more set pieces chances in the last couple of months but that’s not necessarily his fault. He needs to improve and we need to tighten up as a unit.
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I don't understand people who base their opinion of football on stats rather than the evidence of their own eyes. It wouldn't matter if a goalkeeper had the highest number of saves in the league if he throws the ball into his own net every couple of games.

Boyata's a bomb scare.
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I don't understand people who base their opinion of football on stats rather than the evidence of their own eyes. It wouldn't matter if a goalkeeper had the highest number of saves in the league if he throws the ball into his own net every couple of games.

Boyata's a bomb scare.
No one is basing their opinion on Boyata's passing stats. Some of us are just pointing out that referring to Boyata as the worst passer in the clubs history etc is a bit of a joke.
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One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
That's why i don't really look at percentage of passes. You can play a bad pass and it still goes down as completed.
I get your point that pass completion stats can be misleading, but I do not buy the argument (maybe not yours) that Boyata makes mostly short crossfield passes to fellow defenders. I know what I see and i frequently see him carrying the ball forward and making accurate mid range passes to the midfield and forwards. Why people are ignoring this fact is quite puzzling..
I wonder if it's something that CBN has stats on as my stereotype of him is that he plays a safe sideways pass more often than not. That's not to say that he never plays a forward pass that takes an opposition player out of the game, but I don't think he does it often enough and it's something that whoever plays at CB for us should be doing better than Boyata is currently doing.
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hopefully this imposters last game. Cant defend crosses, high balls or people running at him.
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hopefully this imposters last game. Cant defend crosses, high balls or people running at him.
He was our best defender today by miles. You've already made up your mind though haven't you?
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hopefully this imposters last game. Cant defend crosses, high balls or people running at him.
He was our best defender today by miles. You've already made up your mind though haven't you?
People see the last ditch tackles and it clouds their judgement. The defence were poor as a unit.
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hopefully this imposters last game. Cant defend crosses, high balls or people running at him.
He was our best defender today by miles. You've already made up your mind though haven't you?
People see the last ditch tackles and it clouds their judgement. The defence were poor as a unit.
I am not talking about the last ditch tackles. He read the game very well. He won everything in the air and he didn't waste a pass.

Too many people have their minds made up. I bet a few were waiting for a mistake from Boyata to have a I told you so moment at ft.

Bizarre he is getting criticized after that performance.
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People see the last ditch tackles and it clouds their judgement. The defence were poor as a unit.
I am not talking about the last ditch tackles. He read the game very well. He won everything in the air and he didn't waste a pass.

Too many people have their minds made up. I bet a few were waiting for a mistake from Boyata to have a I told you so moment at ft.

Bizarre he is getting criticized after that performance.
Did you see the stupid lunge in the first half? The Morelos chances?
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I am not talking about the last ditch tackles. He read the game very well. He won everything in the air and he didn't waste a pass.

Too many people have their minds made up. I bet a few were waiting for a mistake from Boyata to have a I told you so moment at ft.

Bizarre he is getting criticized after that performance.
Did you see the stupid lunge in the first half? The Morelos chances?
Ajer was marking Morelos when he missed those headers.

I saw him diving in for a ball and getting beaten to it. Think it was the only challenge he missed all day. I will allow him that.
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Did you see the stupid lunge in the first half? The Morelos chances?
Ajer was marking Morelos when he missed those headers.

I saw him diving in for a ball and getting beaten to it. Think it was the only challenge he missed all day. I will allow him that.
:ffs:

Watch the one gordon saved with his legs. The other one looks like ajer passes morelos on to boyata and they both leave him.
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Ajer was marking Morelos when he missed those headers.

I saw him diving in for a ball and getting beaten to it. Think it was the only challenge he missed all day. I will allow him that.
:ffs:

Watch the one gordon saved with his legs. The other one looks like ajer passes morelos on to boyata and they both leave him.
I have watched them. Ajer lets Morelos run off him twice. Not blaming, Ajer. He is a young lad.

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