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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,568 Views)
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26 Dec 2017, 05:49 PM
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Horrendous today. 3 simple passes straight out the park. Lost his man from a set piece and they missed a sitter. Got to wonder what game people are watching at times.
Lost a man at a set piece once. Not exactly the only defender to ever do that.
Only chance they had from the only dundee layer capable of winning a header. The simple passes straight out the park are more worrying tbf.
I think at least one of those "simple passes" was a deliberate safety clearance into touch. Something Jozo and KT get credit for all the time.
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25 Dec 2017, 01:29 AM
Yet back to back clean sheets.
Despite. Not because of.

BR wants us to play a game which relies on accurate passing from the back. Boyata may be the worst passer of a ball I have ever seen in a Celtic jersey.
Yet his passing stats are very good?
Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
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25 Dec 2017, 01:48 AM

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Yet his passing stats are very good?
Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
The post said, Boyata was the worst passer of a ball he had ever seen in a Celtic shirt. That is just complete nonsense. He has made poor passes and against Aberdeen he got away with a couple but he then went on to have a good match. A few people have made their minds up & refuse to give DB any credit at all.

Horrendous today according to one poster :lol:

I don't disagree that we need better to improve in Europe but that goes for the whole team (Tierney, Brown, Sinclair, Moussa apart).
Edited by allthewine, 26 Dec 2017, 06:50 PM.
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25 Dec 2017, 01:48 AM

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Yet his passing stats are very good?
Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
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Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
I think that is a fair assessment.
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25 Dec 2017, 08:36 AM

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Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
My post wasn't that critical of Boyata, more so people who rely solely on pass completion stats :lol:
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allthewine
25 Dec 2017, 08:36 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
I'd be interested to see how often we lose the ball straight after. He often completes a pass but puts a player in trouble at the same time. That doesn't show up in pass completion stats.
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26 Dec 2017, 06:34 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
I think that is a fair assessment.
I think there's an element of truth in there. When he played consistently well, I hoped for that to be evidence that he'd put those blunders behind him. When he makes the same blunders again, it's taken as evidence that they're always going to be a part of his game.

Against PSG, when they cuffed us 7-1 in Paris would anyone argue that Boyata had a good game there? His pass completion was 94%. 1% lower than Marquinhos so is he his equal? Lustig's was 100% versus Dani Alves' 82%. Alves must have been honking if that's the only stat we use.

3 names that show up consistently in the MOTM thread are Dembele (87%), Forrest (88%), and Ntcham (85%). They were all among the lowest figures for pass completion with Ntcham being "third worst" by this one measure :

(Ordered by lowest first...)
Craig Gordon 70%
Kieran Tierney 81%
Olivier Ntcham 85%
Callum McGregor 86%
Jozo Šimunović 87%
Moussa Dembélé 87%
Tom Rogic 87%
James Forrest 88%
Kouassi Eboué 92%
Scott Brown 93%
Dedryck Boyata 94%
Nir Bitton 95%
Mikael Lustig 100%
Leigh Griffiths 100%

So... my point is that there's more to Boyata's performances than pass completion percentages will tell you.
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He got done a belter off perhaps the worst striker I have seen play against us.
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26 Dec 2017, 06:34 PM

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I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
My post wasn't that critical of Boyata, more so people who rely solely on pass completion stats :lol:
No is relying solely on pass completion rates :lol:

At least, I am not. It is a complete myth that Boyata is a poor passer of the ball.
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26 Dec 2017, 06:34 PM

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I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
I'd be interested to see how often we lose the ball straight after. He often completes a pass but puts a player in trouble at the same time. That doesn't show up in pass completion stats.
Just making stuff up now :lol:
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26 Dec 2017, 06:45 PM

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My post wasn't that critical of Boyata, more so people who rely solely on pass completion stats :lol:
No is relying solely on pass completion rates :lol:

At least, I am not. It is a complete myth that Boyata is a poor passer of the ball.
I just found it funny that I criticised pass completion as a measure in isolation, and the first reply included "even though his completion rate is over 90%"
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He got done a belter off perhaps the worst striker I have seen play against us.
Boyata<Moussa<Throw ins
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This thread is a rerun of the Ambrose thread. It's deja vu all over again.
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26 Dec 2017, 08:34 PM
This thread is a rerun of the Ambrose thread. It's deja vu all over again.
Haven't you posted this before?
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Bringing the ball out of defence, looking hesitant and clueless about which forward pass is on and then abandoning that idea and playing the ball backwards to the other CB would give you a great passing completed %. I'm not saying he never plays a forward pass but the one stat in isolation doesn't tell you much.

If we're to improve in Europe he needs replaced.
I think what's happening is that a lot of people, possibly remembering Boyata's first erratic season with us, are constantly looking for the wayward pass, even though his completion rate is over 90%. If you take any player, Brown, Ntcham, Tierney, whoever, and constantly scrutinize them for a bad pass, guess what? You are going to see lots of bad passes.
I think it's what's called the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon.
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One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
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Lustig 100 per cent my arse!!
Proves my point fairly compellingly :lol:
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27 Dec 2017, 12:14 AM
One of his "completed passes" today was a simple 15 yard pass that he somehow managed to fire chest height at mcgregor. Good skill by mcgregor to control it.
There you go. Class act. He made McGregor look good in what was an otherwise off day.
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