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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
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No midfield is our problem.
Every time we play a half decent team, with one display in Anderlecht apart.
Behave yourself
I've to behave myself because I agree with Henrik Larsson?
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The prosecution rests, M'Lord ;)
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Not really understanding this he was fine defensively apart from passing the ball to Anderlecht players bollocks? A better team than Anderlecht would have made us pay for those misplaced passes. I don’t recall people being so understanding when Ambrose did the same thing.
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"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
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"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
Giving the ball away in dangerous positions under no pressure though. Not quite the same as Armstrong or Dembele giving it away in and around the oppositions box.
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
Giving the ball away in dangerous positions under no pressure though. Not quite the same as Armstrong or Dembele giving it away in and around the oppositions box.
except that Armstrong didn't get within about 40 yards of the opposition box last night.

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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
Aye but he can't pass. Had a few shocking passes last night but he more often than not finds a team mate.

He was solid in defence last night. Bailed us out more than once.
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In theory, in a short passing style it should be easier for defenders to play out from back, should it not? They don't need to ping passes like Van Dijk.

The issue is having options to pass to, which is where the failing has been. This season in Europe the side just doesn't look like they know how to move the ball 'through the thirds'. BR's style likely requires opponent-specific preparation for moving the ball forward and given time constraints and injuries it's been difficult to work on this in training.
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6 Dec 2017, 12:31 PM
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
Aye but he can't pass. Had a few shocking passes last night but he more often than not finds a team mate.

He was solid in defence last night. Bailed us out more than once.
I've already conceded that the phrasing used was hyperbolic, but you don't seem to be acknowledging that.

Let me clarify: In my opinion, Boyata is the weakest of our defenders when in possession of the football and this has been recognised by many of our opponents.
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Henrik is 100% right.
No midfield is our problem.
Every time we play a half decent team, with one display in Anderlecht apart.
Behave yourself
The spine is the problem. Neither the centre of defense, nor centre of midfield is good enough.
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
According to this site, he had 84% pass accuracy. For a player who isn't pressed and always has the option of passing sideways to another defender or back to the keeper, that is not a particularly great stat. Excluding Gordon, the only players in the starting 11 with worse accuracy were Lustig, Armstrong, Sinclair and Dembele.

He's not a bad passer, he just makes the wrong decisions.

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6 Dec 2017, 12:57 PM
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
According to this site, he had 84% pass accuracy. For a player who isn't pressed and always has the option of passing sideways to another defender or back to the keeper, that is not a particularly great stat. Excluding Gordon, the only players in the starting 11 with worse accuracy were Lustig, Armstrong, Sinclair and Dembele.

He's not a bad passer, he just makes the wrong decisions.

ill stick with the official uefa stats http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/matches/index.html#/iv/match/2021670/matchinfo
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6 Dec 2017, 11:07 AM
Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
You just made that up mate

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That does actually happen. Have seen loads of teams leaving him alone on the ball.
Aye in the league..
That's cos teams invariable sit in against us, nit cos they're targeting Boyata.
Was the same with Bitton and he can actually pass
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He's perhaps rightly getting a lot of stick for his passing and decision making last night. But a lot of that criticism takes root from our first half, I suspect. The same first half when two of his out balls went missing and no one was really showing for a pass. The attempted pass to Armstrong was a shocker but I'd place more blame at the door of Armstrong than Boyata.
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I've to behave myself because I agree with Henrik Larsson?
Mo Bangura.

The prosecution rests, M'Lord ;)
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
According to this site, he had 84% pass accuracy. For a player who isn't pressed and always has the option of passing sideways to another defender or back to the keeper, that is not a particularly great stat. Excluding Gordon, the only players in the starting 11 with worse accuracy were Lustig, Armstrong, Sinclair and Dembele.

He's not a bad passer, he just makes the wrong decisions.

ill stick with the official uefa stats http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/matches/index.html#/iv/match/2021670/matchinfo

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepthis site, he had 84% pass accuracy. For a player who isn't pressed and always has the option of passing sideways to another defender or back to the keeper, that is not a particularly great stat. Excluding Gordon, the only players in the starting 11 with worse accuracy were Lustig, Armstrong, Sinclair and Dembele.

He's not a bad passer, he just makes the wrong decisions.

ill stick with the official uefa stats http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/matches/index.html#/iv/match/2021670/matchinfo

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:lol:

So made up pish is better than actually stats? Got you.

No getting away from the fact that Boyata made a few bad passes last night but so did most of the team.
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:lol:

So made up pish is better than actually stats? Got you.

No getting away from the fact that Boyata made a few bad passes last night but so did most of the team.
It's more like rival stats. Shark Stats versus the Jet Stats.
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6 Dec 2017, 12:18 PM
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6 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
"gives posession away more often than not"

90% completed passes last night. only brown mcgregor and jozo with better. 40 out of 45 passes successful which is no bad considering a few of them will be punts and one that armstrong shat the bed
Giving the ball away in dangerous positions under no pressure though. Not quite the same as Armstrong or Dembele giving it away in and around the oppositions box.
except that Armstrong didn't get within about 40 yards of the opposition box last night.

It was just an example outlining that it’s more dangerous to give the ball away in Boyata’s position than further up the park.

I realise Armstrong was probably not the best example :lol:
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:lol:

So made up pish is better than actually stats? Got you.

No getting away from the fact that Boyata made a few bad passes last night but so did most of the team.
It's more the fact that stats can be twisted, and saying "my stats are better than your stats" is a bit of a fruitless endeavour. The official site lists attempted crosses as a pass for example, whilst the other site separates them into another category.

The point is Boyata makes poor decisions, has cost us already in this CL campaign (in a game against a team without a CF) and is just not cut out for it at this level. He was at least partly to blame for the Motherwell goal at the weekend as well, allowing (yet another) ball to pass over his head instead of just getting it to eff.

The guy is 27, not 20, he's hardly a young guy learning his trade. He also, BTW, and this is another topic, appears unwilling to negotiate a new contract. Punt.
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:lol:

So made up pish is better than actually stats? Got you.

No getting away from the fact that Boyata made a few bad passes last night but so did most of the team.
It's more the fact that stats can be twisted, and saying "my stats are better than your stats" is a bit of a fruitless endeavour. The official site lists attempted crosses as a pass for example, whilst the other site separates them into another category.

The point is Boyata makes poor decisions, has cost us already in this CL campaign (in a game against a team without a CF) and is just not cut out for it at this level. He was at least partly to blame for the Motherwell goal at the weekend as well, allowing (yet another) ball to pass over his head instead of just getting it to eff.

The guy is 27, not 20, he's hardly a young guy learning his trade. He also, BTW, and this is another topic, appears unwilling to negotiate a new contract. Punt.
He has done not too bad in the champions league. He was good in Munich & excellent in Belgium.

Despite his mistake v Munich at home he also had a good game. The same was true on Tues. Despite a few slack passes he defended very well.

You’re blinded in this argument. You are gagging on saying I told you so. Your Hibs post shows that.
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