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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,580 Views)
Jim Tim
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k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 09:31 AM
Was surprised to hear Larsson say the heart of the defence is out biggest problem after the match tbh
So was I, the defense isn't as good as it needs to be for this level and how the manager wants us to play but the more significant problem last night was how our midfield and attack performed.
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Jim Tim
6 Dec 2017, 10:48 AM
k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 09:31 AM
Was surprised to hear Larsson say the heart of the defence is out biggest problem after the match tbh
So was I, the defense isn't as good as it needs to be for this level and how the manager wants us to play but the more significant problem last night was how our midfield and attack performed.
Henrik is 100% right.
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LondonThomas
6 Dec 2017, 10:50 AM
Jim Tim
6 Dec 2017, 10:48 AM
k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 09:31 AM
Was surprised to hear Larsson say the heart of the defence is out biggest problem after the match tbh
So was I, the defense isn't as good as it needs to be for this level and how the manager wants us to play but the more significant problem last night was how our midfield and attack performed.
Henrik is 100% right.
No midfield is our problem.
Every time we play a half decent team, with one display in Anderlecht apart.
Behave yourself
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Rosco67
6 Dec 2017, 10:43 AM
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5 Dec 2017, 10:59 PM
His passing wasn't good enough, but he kept us in the game in the first 30 minutes.
Absolutely. Some stinking passing notwithstanding, I thought he was defensively sound.

Laughably bad and liability? Behave people
This.

Re his passing - sometimes it was just plain terrible, other times due to our non existent midfield and terrible movement off the ball he was forced into taking gambles. Sometimes there was just nothing on for him.
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6 Dec 2017, 07:33 AM
dannyclyro
6 Dec 2017, 01:00 AM
A liability in Europe. Punt.
If that's the criterion you'll be doing one helluva lot of punting out of that team last night!
I'm not judging him solely on the game last night, but you are right, he's not the only one.

He makes basic mistakes which often result in chances or, at this level, goals for half-decent teams. It blows my mind when people say "apart from that one, critical, potentially game-deciding mistake that cost us a brutal goal, he had a great game"; that was the rationale applied by many after Bayern.

Last night, if he'd been playing against a reasonable team, he'd have cost us 2 or 3 goals with his passing, which first and foremost was a result of poor decision making; Sutty called it absolutely correctly, "These passes just aren't on". You usually get away with those passes against SPL opposition or a weak team like Anderlecht, but if we want to improve at European level then he's one of the first I'd replace. He makes bad decisions and against any half decent team, they'll be punished.
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Cardross Bhoy
6 Dec 2017, 10:52 AM
Sometimes there was just nothing on for him.
At no point was there nothing on for him; he could have kept the ball and passed it back to his keeper. He chose to try and play it forward, through an almost non-existent gap, instead of keeping possession and not putting us under more pressure. His decision making is atrocious.
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I actually thought he was okay, his pace in particular got us out of a few of their attacks. He is maybe relied upon to bring the ball out by himself too many times. Ideally bring in a player more comfortable on the ball to play with him. I don't think Jozo will ever be fit enough to play a full season.
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Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
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LondonThomas
6 Dec 2017, 10:33 AM
I don't understand how anyone can think he's good enough for Celtic.
I you drew up a list of all of our centre halves this century, he'd be nearer the top than the bottom.
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k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 09:31 AM
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6 Dec 2017, 12:44 AM
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5 Dec 2017, 11:12 PM
Laughably bad
Pish.

Hit a couple of really bad passes and that was about it. He defended well.
Agreed.
People have been dying to get back on his case for a while.
A few shocking passes, but, the movement was terrible in front of him and long balls over the top just isn't allowed in this team.

Was surprised to hear Larsson say the heart of the defence is out biggest problem after the match tbh
:thumbsup:

Boyata was fine defensively last night. Few wayward passes but let's be honest, when our two centre halves see as much of the ball as they do, that's bound to happen.
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largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:07 AM
Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
You just made that up mate

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k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 11:11 AM
largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:07 AM
Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
You just made that up mate

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That does actually happen. Have seen loads of teams leaving him alone on the ball.
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Pique and Thiago Silva would struggle to find a pass with our stationary midfield showing for the ball.

And even when they played the pass they would need to expect it back again with the opposition player closer to them.

The problem is the midfield.
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6 Dec 2017, 11:11 AM
largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:07 AM
Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
You just made that up mate

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Just calling it as I see it, mate.
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6 Dec 2017, 10:51 AM
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Jim Tim
6 Dec 2017, 10:48 AM

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Henrik is 100% right.
No midfield is our problem.
Every time we play a half decent team, with one display in Anderlecht apart.
Behave yourself
I've to behave myself because I agree with Henrik Larsson?
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largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:15 AM
k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 11:11 AM
largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:07 AM
Sutton paraphrasing Brian Clough last night during the commentary saying that Boyata should "just give the ball to someone who can play". I think Boyata probably knows this himself but just isn't able to make the necessary pass to get it to them on many occasions.

Every team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
You just made that up mate

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Just calling it as I see it, mate.
I've seen this happen but i think to suggest he gives it away more often than not is very harsh. Domestically he's more than capable of bringing the ball out and picking a pass. In europe when we are pressed high he struggles, just like nearly everyone else.
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6 Dec 2017, 11:22 AM
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k3vkr
6 Dec 2017, 11:11 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepEvery team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
Just calling it as I see it, mate.
I've seen this happen but i think to suggest he gives it away more often than not is very harsh. Domestically he's more than capable of bringing the ball out and picking a pass. In europe when we are pressed high he struggles, just like nearly everyone else.
Fair enough, perhaps the phrasing was a little hyperbolic, but the general point stands, imho.
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6 Dec 2017, 12:40 AM
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5 Dec 2017, 11:14 PM
Armstrong sold him up the river with one of his passes. Showed for the ball then turned his head and ran in the opposite direction.

Our free kick to their corner in about two nano seconds. Armstrong should have been hooked there and then , because that was cowardly.
Noticed that. Reminded me of Jackson on Larsson's debut.
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largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:29 AM
Tonus
6 Dec 2017, 11:22 AM
largent80
6 Dec 2017, 11:15 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepEvery team we play against, either in Europe or domestically, is happy to not press Boyata and for us to pick him out as the free man and pass the ball to him as they know he will just give the possession away more often than not anyway.
I've seen this happen but i think to suggest he gives it away more often than not is very harsh. Domestically he's more than capable of bringing the ball out and picking a pass. In europe when we are pressed high he struggles, just like nearly everyone else.
Fair enough, perhaps the phrasing was a little hyperbolic, but the general point stands, imho.
Lot of teams do that way him tbf, i mind St mirren being one of the first to do it so blatantly last season.
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The old Dedryck paid us a visit last night. He started off quite well and made a few saving tackles but after his second mistake (where we conceded a corner) he had the face of a man who thought he'd been cured of lycanthropy years ago but had just sprouted dug ears. For every two good bits of defensive work he then inexplicably gifted the ball to Anderlecht.
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